TTC 10+++ months part 18

[Mrsden]

This is the BFP thread.

Oh Pout I'm so sorry you had to go through that. IVF isn't the b-all and end-all look at free and the Chinese meds and you just never know but its the ups and downs that are so hard isn't it. Big squeeze. I can't recommend experimental progesterone just yet but you never know.

Sea that sounds horrific is there nothing they can do to ease the pain?

Nelly I'm going to have a look at that thread thanks so true

Oh pout I'm sorry about the non-referral and the PMT headfuck. It's all so unfair.

nelly a nun? A very naughty nun, by the sounds of it.

I've been following the story about the Edinburgh boy. It's a strange story. I didn't believe that he could have wandered off by himself and it's very sad to see the news reports this morning.

pout BIG HUGS, I cannot believe they made you go to the appointment to tell you they won't help typical useless NHS. I would appeal but first eat your cheesecake.

nelly A nun she better not claim it is by miracle conception

sea I hope they are monitoring you closely, I'm a bit that your family have not been supportive. I didn't expect people to understand why we had tried it but to be there when I needed a hug or hand hold.

Cos glad the bleeding has stopped, will you do another digi in a week, D Day is the 28th, I doubt anything will happen before then, Kayla is now sleeping in the moses basket I think this is her way of protesting

euro I agree with you about the story, something just isn't quite right

waves to everyone else :)

Pout - god I am sorry. Why the frock give you that appt and then tell you? I am sorry. And sorry about the head fuck cycle. The battering never stops does it.

Where is chat?

Very sad about that boy .

Pout - That's outrageous! Why give you an appt and put you through all that and then say no to you. Of course you are down. I would definitely appeal - what's the worst that can happen? At least you have a chance if you appeal. I agree with Cos re other routes to try. Enjoy your cake and cream.

Buzz - I was v disappointed at my family too. The most unsupportive have been my mum. She made it clear she thought it was "unnatural" and couldn't understand why I would spend our savings on ivf. She knows I have been doing this over Xmas & NY and we have talked on the phone. She has not once asked me about it. We have always had a difficult relationship. I can't see how this has helped. I have been quite open with close friends and all have been v supportive.

Nelly - I agree with you about the little Scottish boy. It's so sad. I heard the mother has been detained. Why is it always an inside job? I know it's all speculation at the moment. So so sad. I also read about the nun. Unbelieveable!

Thanks for all your support ladies. I am feeling a little bit better after catching some sleep in the strangest position - sitting on a chair with a cushion against the wall. I also caved and did a cheapie POAS. An extremely faint line but you could barely see it so I don't think it is a definitely positive even with this horrible OHSS. I think someone suggested getting drained and heading to hospital. I did ask about this but ARGC v anti this and thinks I should be able to manage it if I follow their instructions. Very disconcerting to see bright red blood every time I pee. Hopefully they will call soon to confirm I have an infection. How strange life is that I am hoping for an infection!

oh sea this is not the way it should be, but it sounds very positive in terms of a pregnancy. I was thinking of you today because you wrote something about not feeling too concerned with the outcome in terms of pregnancy because you felt so bad; I can relate. Unfortunately I got sick directly after Tiny Doll's birth and had a hard time connecting to the fact that I had had a baby at all. Try and hold on, make sure you get all the help you can. I hope all this gets resolved very soon and you can get on with an uneventful and peaceful pregnancy.

Birthday greetings to our January girls

oh also sorry to hear about the NHS bullshit pout very unfair.

and look at you fox with your shovel Ken has to find his reading glasses to cut the kids nails [grins]

sea stuff the ARGC, they are only concerned about their precious reputation when they should be concerned about your health. OHSSis not something you play down, if you feel you need to go to the hospital then go
Sorry about your mum, I take it she has not always been supportive of you, I don't speak to my family so managed to avoid all the negativity. I was surprised at how well my MIL took it very very reilgious but then she suffered alot to have her family so understood that desire to have a baby, I don't know what FIL knows/understands, he is just so grateful to be a grandad.
Will you test tomorrow?? A line is a line

sea a line is a line. You wouldn't expect anything other than a very faint one at this stage. Mine was super faint at 12-14 dpEC and wasn't getting any darker, but my HCG was 107 at 14dpEC and was doubling nicely. So I'm very hopeful that it has worked, but also very worried about the OHSS. Please go to hospital if you are worried. I've mooched around these boards and FF for a long time and not heard of anyone with such severe symptoms. I'm a bit concerned that the clinic is discouraging you going to hospital. Do they have to report it to the HFEA or something if this happens - does anyone know? I'm struggling to see how it can be in your best interests.

doll how is everything going now?

buzz how are you feeling? Ready for the pregnancy to be over I suspect!

Sea, I'm another one worried about you. My clinic told me in no uncertain terms that I would be admitted to hospital if I had ohss, and they gave me a sheet outlining the treatment. I wish I could find it now. Blood in your urine is not good, this needs treating ASAP. Can you see an out of hours doctor?

I'm out for a meal and having a sneaky mn chat. Pout - the bastards! Huge hug, more to say about this when I can post properly.

Sea - another one who disagrees that you shouldn't go to hospital. I was told in no uncertain terms that if I showed any signs of ohss (ahem) I would be admitted to hospital urgently and that if I was showing any signs of fluid around the ovaries I HAD to go to hospital. Please trust your instincts with this. Fantastic that there is a line but we need to get you better too.

Doll - blush

Hi ladies, thank you so much for your concern. It means ever so much to me.

I have to say that the Argy did warn me that I was at high risk of OHSS because of my weight, age the number of eggs I produced. They told me during the late stages of stimms, around EC, post EC and even after ET that it was a possibility. I was also given a sheet with emergency number etc. The thing is because my ovaries are only 6.5cm that is still considered "mild" OHSS in clinical terms. I have vomited and have bad nausea and that is usually in the moderate category.

I want to be fair to them and overall I believe the care I have had from them since this late onset has been good. They have scanned me, called me, done full blood count etc. MrS was v specific yesterday and asked them if I should be hospitalised and drained. Their comment was that I could be but even though I have water in all these places, the amount doesn't warrant drainage. They say in a way because I have low body fat and am normally quite slight this affects me more... I have no clue if this is true.

The only thing I think they have been wrong about was when I first started feeling really bad they told me to up my water intake from 2.5 litres to 4 litres. I did this and I think that actually made things worst. Yesterday I saw a different doc and he told me I was drinking too much water and when he ran the full blood count it showed that I was lacking in salt (probably too much water flushing everything out). So now I am drinking less water - back to 2.5 litres a day. But all in all, I have asked myself if I felt they have been neglectful or if they overstimmed me but the reality is I really don't think they did. I was on a very low dose of drugs throughout. Overall, I think I was a little naive about OHSS ie. you never think it will happen to you etc.

Sorry about the novel!

I hope you are all enjoying the weekend! I am feeling a bit better and trying to stay positive for the beans.

Fair enough sea. I just hate to think of you in pain and suffering :( great news about the line though, I'll eat my hat if you're not pregnant.

Pout, how annoying. Worse than annoying but the right word won't come to me. Will they at least go through the test results with you? Is it worth writing to the hospital trust?

Critter and buzz I'm thinking of you both. I can't wait to hear news. Are you both expecting girls?

Lemon, fantastic that all is well. I had begun to think that 10 plus sees only did girls. Except lovely doll of course. I'm so sorry you haven't been well. How are things now? Are you still in a far flung, exotic land?

Doll - Thanks for your kind words. I am sorry you have been unwell after the birth. It's so unfair after everything you have to endure to get there. I feel incredibly guilty... I feel I should be happy that I am feeling ill as this is likely to be good news but I have to honest the idea of being like this for up to a month frightens the life out of me. Anyway... I am taking your advice and holding on to the hope this is good news and all this will be worth it in the end.

sea try not to feel guilty. You are ill and need to heal, it's miserable under any circumstances.
Ladies there is a lot going on at the moment and I feel a little bad asking for advice. It is not about conception (obviously!) but I figure we are all more than our conception issues and perhaps someone here has an idea that could help me. I have a distended upper abdomen left since the complications for the birth. I was told it would resolve within days or weeks (depending on who was talking) and the majority did within a few weeks, however I'm left with a bloat that I can't shift. Six weeks after the birth I had a scan to rule out anything scary - nothing seemed wrong apart from the presence of gas. Tiny doll is nearly three months old and this lingering uncomfortable issue is getting me down, I can feel it when I move and am aware of it much of the time. Can anyone help? How do I resolve this? (no another issues i.e. poos and farts normal ) Sorry for non-conception nonsense.

Doll, I don't know if you had c section or if this will be helpful but it took 4-6 months after my abdo ap for my stomach to stop being bloated above the scar, I thought I was stuck with it. I know pregnancy can bend and shove things around so much but the body is pretty good at going back to normal, it just seems to take a sodding long time. I found yoga trousers with a roll down flap very helpful. It wasn't gas with me either, just swelling/bruising/mending. Now I have a tiny bit above the scar that puffs out a bit but it's all gone down and I never thought it would. Do you feel better in all other ways?

Also, windeze is good after a lap etc wonder if it could help dispel any trapped air?

While I'm up stupidly early.. Pout I'm so pissed off on your behalf. Do you have the energy to fight and appeal? My pct has gone from no ivf to one to two in three years - things can shift with pressure. I feel pretty sure my pct won't fund donor and in turn I will lose my second go because of afc. But I will not go quietly! Do you have funding for iui left?

ok thanks fox yes I ended up with an 'emergency' section which trapped tons of air, I was swollen like a barrel, also an internal bleed (resolved) and a gut infection (apparently pre-existing that went crazy post surgery) for which I took antibiotics (which themselves may had messed something up?) Mine is gas though according to the scan and weridly in upper part of the belly not above the scar. The lower part of my belly has a bit of soft jelly flab but the distention is in the upper part. It feels 'wrong', for example, Little Doll used to sit between my legs (too big to sit on my lap) and lean back on me to read books. It became impossible at some point in pregnancy and I keep promising him it would be fine after the baby came. I can't stand his back to touch me there. Hopefully it's time that will do it, it just freaks me out that I'm, like you say 'stuck with it'. Sorry again all.

I just did a quick google doll, and it seems like this is a common problem after c section. There's quite a few threads on mumsnet about it. I know peppermint tea is good for wind. It's probably one of those things that will resolve with time, that's not much comfort though I know. It sounds like you've had a rough time. How are you now?

Oh doll that sounds yuck. Is it gas in your digestive tract itself? If so, and I should own up that I'm talking about my experience with the hobbles here (!) but peppermint, fennel, charcoal and buscopan are all recommended. I'm now a convert to peppermint tea. Activated charcoal is meant to bind with the gas and break it down so it can be expelled. I'm certain that when I was researching this (I had a very sick horse) that most of the horse remedies were found via human treatments and medicine. If the gas is not within the gut itself I don't know what to suggest. Hyperbaric chamber???

Sea how are you feeling today? I can't believe what you are feeling is only somewhere up to "moderate". What on earth must severe be. It's good that the clinic are being attentive but Did they confirm an infection? Is it in your bladder? If so I would be taking the advice of doctors who aren't fertility focused I think?

A lot of question marks from me this morning, sorry!

Fox (another ?) what are you doing up so early. This is me just surfacing now. Benefits of a child free life eh

The thread on child free life was interesting, and mostly positive although I was a bit at the first response. The thing is I think choosing that life is very different to it being forced upon us. I know that my life will have lots of positives: freedom, more money, travel etc but I'm prepared to sacrifice those things for children.

doll I'm sorry you are having such a tough time still. I have no practical suggestions, but some of those from other posters seem like good ideas.

Doll - that sounds really uncomfortable and rather painful. I think Nelly's suggestion of fennel and peppermint teas are good. I am not sure if you are into it or if you can find one where you are but that sort of thing I would probably go to a Chinese doc for... I know that might not be everyone's cup of tea but trapped wind etc are all things acu and chinese herbs can help with. I hope it improves.

Fox - I agree a childless life by choice is completely different. I can think of travel, more money, more social life and possibly a more successful career and generally more unconventional life perhaps.

Nelly - Apparently severe is when you can't breathe or talk. I can't imagine what that would be like. They said my urine test is fine which is v strange as I am still bleeding every time I pee. I think I might need to head to the GP next week to get it seen to - it isn't normal to have quite a lot of blood for 3 days in your urine is it?

Oops almost forgot. Happy birthday to the lovely Cos!