TTC 10+++ months part 18

[Mrsden]

This is the BFP thread.

Sorry you're feeling so poorly sea. Will they see you again to check you? Do make sure you get seen again if it gets any worse.

Sorry for the DET confusion... I realised I might have midunderstood when I referred to ours as SET elsewhere.

Well done for getting yourself to the clinic, sea! So sorry our internet diagnosis was correct, but glad you got some treatment. Take care until it settles!

Hello ladies

sea - oooo that sounds unpleasant. Really hope the sickness settles and fingers crossed for a bfp.

Euro - gosh the on off bleeding must be tedious and scary. But a second scan with good results sounds very promising, I wonder if you have a small subchorionic bleed which can often cause early bleeding.

Devon, pout, fox and ray - im so sorry for the ongoing crap. This really isn't fair and i wish I had some wise comforting words. What I do think is important is to try and remember that as couples you aren't infertile. Yes, conception and sustaining pregnancy may be really really challenging but the fact that you are exploring your options and seeking solutions is brilliant and amazing and you should be deeply proud.

Fox and nelly - exciting times ahead with de. I think you are both marvelous to explore what else is out there. Take your time and take baby steps.

Ray - I am another one who thinks your chances are still good. But I know positivity takes a real battering. Considering immunes sounds sensible. Fingers crossed for the fet - every chance that next time is the successful embryo.

Lemons and free - so pleased all is going well.

Cos -wtf??!! My goodness, im so sorry. I know you are quite rightly taking time out righht now. But honey you really are this close . would progesterone plus immunes help,?

Everything is fine with baby sar, bf is going well and settling in to things. I think for many of us becoming parents is a long hideous puzzle. Putting the pieces together takes forever. I so badly wish the situation would resolve for everybody very soon.

sea I'm sorry that you are poorly but glad that the clinic is looking after you.

sar they could find no cause for it at the EPU. I've been trying to too worry about it too much since the scan showed everything was ok, but I have been cramping again today, so I think I will give the EPU a call tomorrow and see what they suggest.

I'm glad everything is well with baby Sar. :)

Meant to say, Nelly, thanks for the clarification!

Just peeking round the door briefly to say hello and that I'm thinking of all of you. And keeping my fingers crossed and sending positive wishes and vibes to you all. Horse babies sound awesome...

And a special thanks to nelly I was really touched xxx

euro Sorry about the bleeding, t really is a headfuck, it can't hurt to contact EPAU or to have another scan.

sea sorry about the OHSS, I hope you feel better soon

Cos so sorry that it hasn't worked, do you think upping the progesterone would help as it does make a difference for you

Nelly There are some threads on FF about overseas clinics, I think it wise not to use your friend even though it was a very generous offer.

pout When is your appointment at the hospital ???

ray and devon don't give up hope, you will be mums one day, its just a long shitty journey to get there

lemon Your pregnancy has flown by, did you find out what you are having??

sar glad all is well with baby sar

foxy It does take time to grieve over not having your own biological child, but honestly other than Shehata voicing his opionion, I have never regretted my choice, she is MY baby, without DE I wouldn't be a mum.

Not much to report my end, I have been cleared to have a 'normal birth' my induction is booked for the 28th unless something happens before. Barry came home today and told me that he has finished working on a major project so 'minibee' can come out now

Sea - you poor love. God I hope you feel better soon. Had no idea that ohss can still raise its ugly head at this stage. Keep drinking and get well.

Buzz - so close now. Exciting!

Sar, art, princess, gin - cant tell you how lovely it is to have you ladies popping back in to wish everyone well.

Euro - I forgot to say how sorry I am that you are having all this bleeding and cramping. I am sure it is mini euro bedding comfortably down but it is still very unsettling.
It is odd that male factor has never been mentioned as a cause but interesting you clearly don't need ICsi. Roy's count is well over a 100 and I was told we needed ICsi. Je ne comprend pas.

Un freaking believably since I've had non stop red bleeding and some big clots since mon, I had a digi this am which said 2-3 weeks, I.e. it's gone up. The digi on tues said 1-2. Today im 17dpo. I was taking daily aspirin but think I might stop. I am taking more progesterone than before, this month I've been on 400mg cyclogest twice per day plus 50mg gestone twice per week. I don't know what to make of it, i feel like a complete head case.

Euro so sorry for the bleeding - isn't it funny reading about yours I think 'I'm sure she'll be fine' but its so scary. Hope you're ok and manage not to kill too many men today.

Nelly I was sorry you had such a difficult conversation with DH, that must have been really hard and emotionally probably the last thing you needed. What is it with men and them feeling one thing and saying another. Really glad you got to the bottom of it and have got your way forward sorted, all the very best of luck with getting it underway.

Sea so sorry you've been feeling so ill, you're a trooper for keeping going.

Buzz can't believe you're nearly there.

Lemon great news about the scan hope you can properly enjoy it now.

Special waves everyone else am late for work.

Cos I'm so sorry you are going through this headfuck. I think it's worth heading to the doc to see what's going on? Big hand hold.

Euro. I'm sorry bleeding is continuing. The worry never ends does it?! Another scan might help with fears? Worth getting another one? How are you holding up? Big hug to you.

Nelly not easy decisions you are having to make.

Thanks for the well wishes ladies. Sipping water has become a round the clock occupation. I have put on 6kg (water weight) mostly in my stomach. I have been told if it gets unbearable I can head to the hospital and they will drain the liquid but that will mean at least a few days stay which I want to avoid. The good news is the doc told me late onset of ohss is usually (but not always as he stressed a few times) associated with a BFP. Here's hoping all this pain is worth it.

cos euro so sorry about the major headfuckery. I wish life would just give us all a break. You've both been through so much already.
Not sure if it'll help but, I can tell you that my boss had IVF twins after 8 years ttc. Throughout her preg she had bleeding, some of it very heavy and very red ( she's a fiery American who has no embarrassment in sharing the most personal details). She had scans every few weeks but all was fine and the little fellas turned 10 last autumn.

sea that sounds terrible ! Big hand hold. There is something special in tomatoes that isn't found in many other foods. I forget what it is but your body is obviously in need of some. Hope a day resting helps things

by red I meant heavy

Thanks ladies. I'm just waiting for a call back from one of the nurses at the EPU to see what they say. I feel completely worn out by it all I must say.

cos OMG. Well it sounds like the hormones are still rising, which is good news, but the bleeding alongside must be a headf+++. Can you get HCG bloods done 2 days apart to see if the are doubling?

Gotta dash to a meeting. The EPU just called back and have asked me to come in this afternoon for another scan. This will be my 3rd! It seems ridiculous to have so many, but hey ho.

Cos bloody hell that is a headfuck indeed. Time for a blood test? Oh I so hope you are one of those ladies with a story to tell!

Euro again big vibes for Centime and hoping that the bleeding means only good things.

Coco I hear you on wishing we would all get some luck. It is out time, no? I do love those types of stories, even though I no longer believe they will happen to me.

Sar, princess and all others, don't forget the other thread!

Should really get some work done, catch up again later.

cos how unbelievably stressful for you. Could you get an early scan? I don't know how far along you are - maybe 5 weeks? But it might help reassure you… you are doing amazingly coping with this horrible emotional roller coaster.

euro I am so sorry to hear that you've been bleeding on and off - very frightening indeed - I hope that there is some reason for it. I know some women do bleed throughout their pregnancies, but I can only imagine how scary and anxious-making it must be. I am cheering for eurobean.

nelly and fox interesting thoughts on DE. I think baby steps is a good idea. Just take it slowly. Incidentally, something I read somewhere told me that with DE, the baby is not just a carbon copy of the genetic parent - the mother who carries the baby passes on characteristics too during her pregnancy as she nurtures the little one. So if a horse mother carries a foal created with a pony egg, the foal will not look just like a pony - it will be different. I found that reassuring and very cool. It's still a bit step though with a lot of things to get one's head around. nelly MrC wasn't ready to be a father either, really. I think a lot of men aren't, in the abstract you only see the bad things - the responsibility etc - but then for most men it sort of just happens so they don't have to think it through as much.

sea I felt miserable with the bloating and fluid retention and general swollenness post-transfer, and my doctor said the same thing - that OHSS gets worse if you are pregnant. Something about HCG exacerbating things. That's why they recommend cancelling the cycle and doing an FET later sometimes if they think you are high risk. I don't want to add to men killing, but I think this may be a good sign (although physically awful). The fever does not sound fun, though. If you do get worse, I would get drained - not nice but it might bring some relief. If you are pregnant, the swelling will eventually go away as your uterus grows - it sort of squashes everything else down. But it's not nice. I really feel for you.

lemon hurrah for a good 20 week scan! You are off to the races, as they say here. Are you finding out the sex or are you waiting for a surprise?

Lots of love and luck to ray for your FET. I think immunes is a good idea. I wouldn't worry about the risks of IVF to the baby - I haven't heard of any studies about that, or about day 5 blastocysts having health problems that earlier embryos don't have (speaking as someone gestating a day 5 embie as we speak). You are going to get there babe. Keep going, I know you've had a horrible time, I think 2014 is going to be your lucky year.

Waves to free, ten, pout, coco and everyone else that I've missed.

The scan is a good idea though euro, just so you know the bleeding isn't anything to worry about. I wonder if they'll be able to see where it's coming from.

Cos, gosh so your body still thinks you're pregnant then? have you seen a doctor? I wonder if it's worth having your bloods done? Although 2-3 shows hcg is a good level. It's too early for a scan isn't it?

Sea, do take care. I had also heard that late onset usually means pregnancy. Fingers crossed for you. Do make sure you go to hospital if you feel any worse or have any trouble breathing, the fluid can start to collect on the lungs.

Oh god Cos, I’m so sorry you are going through this headfuckery. I agree with the others, i think the only way to tell at this stage is to get a couple of blood tests 48hrs apart. I’m not sure whether a scan would show anything yet. It does sound like your hcg levels have doubled since you last tested but I don’t understand what the clots are. I think I would continue with all the medication just in case everything is actually all ok. What an absolute bloody nightmare. I hope you are able to see the doctor who is prescribing your meds. Massive handhold. You must be in a state.

Sea – hope you’ll feeling a bit better. Not to raise hopes but it really does sound like you are pregnant.

Euro – it’s exhausting. It’s stressful. It’s just horrible. Are you able to concentrate at work? Out of interest, are you on any meds at all?

So sorry that there is so much worry going

Devon just low dose aspirin (which I wondering isn't helping the ongoing bleeding) and cyclogest.

sea i thought the same as the others - late OHSS is a good sign (although it must be horrible to live through). I really hope this is it for you - you have been through so much with all the immune stuff.

critter how are you feeling? Any pre-labour twinges yet?

Thanks for the story about your boss coco. It's always good to hear about good outcomes in difficult circumstances. Although I might end up in the loony bin if this continues throughout!

Free Is it this Thursday that is your scan? I think I would be similar in not believing it until the baby arrives.

Euro The bleeding sounds unnerving, but as the others have said some women have it all the way through successful pregnancies. Have you booked the Harmony scan?

Lemon Great news about the scan!

Nelly Did you speak to the clinic? I agree that using a friend (although an amazing offer) would add to the complexity. I think it might make me uncomfortable.

Devon It was me who said that, I just carry on believing, I am not sure what will happen if I get to the stage that I don’t think like that. I imagine some kind of meltdown will ensue.

Pout I figure one smallish dog could adapt to swanky flat life. I agree, I haven’t minded her teeth marks along the skirting boards half as much as I when I panic about the mess and destruction that children bring. Unlike you I am currently loosing a lot of friends to children, this weekend will be the 6th baby shower in as many months. What I find odd is that my friends who were the most sane before loose their minds and the ones who I thought would be a nightmare are way more relaxed? I have one particular friend who has gone from being a seriously high powered banker to mentalist who doesn’t let her husband feed the baby incase he drops him………

Cos I am sorry the head fuckery continues, I really hope that you have a lovely surprise.

Sea I’m sorry that you are ill now…it is so unfair you have been through enough. Rest up, keep drinking, I hope you start to feel better soon.

Waves Sar, Critter, Princess and everyone else I have missed

Good luck Buzzy

No much news this end. Drugs have been delivered, just waiting for AF to begin……

Sorry just realised mentalist is actually quite an offensive term. Apologies if I caused any offence (I cant see how to get this off the thread), hasty typing and posting at work.

Euro what was the advice you were given about low dose aspirin?

Cos my clinic normally recommends clexane but on the first round when I was doing natural i was trying to keep it all as drug free as possible, so I declined it. They suggested aspirin instead, so I have taken it on each round from EC onwards.

ten I am sure I have said worse! We have to have some flippant way of describing our mental anguish through this process. Yes, I've booked the Harmony test now. They apparently do a quick viability scan when they take the blood (I've booked for that at 10+4) and then the full nuchal when they give you the results 2 weeks later. So if today's scan shows the pregnancy is ongoing (and I have my doubts) then it'll be a two and half week wait for the next one (the 4th ).

The aspirin may well have something to do with the bleeding. My doctor mentioned that he'd been to a conference recently where some evidence was presented that where they'd previously thought that it was the blood thinning properties of heparin that helped pregnancies they now think this might not actually be the case and it's something else linked to immunes. I'm not quite sure what this means for aspirin though. I don't think it's published work yet.

sorry, I don't have more time but sending good, hopeful, positive vibes to sea cos and euro also happy new year all. x

Just popping in quickly to offer a handhold to euro and cos. Euro I so hope all goes well in EPU. I can't imagine how stressful the bleeding must be. I only had one or two drops whole pregnancy and probably from my piles and that sent me nuts. I'm sure all is fine and it's just one of those things. I wonder if upping the progesterone might help.

cos oh my word. I was thrilled for you, then devastated and now hopeful. I second getting a blood test to find out wtf is going on. I don't know how you are managing to go into work. Big hugs.

Oh poor you sea. You sound v poorly. They haven't given you any meds for the ohss? Are you on clexane? It's meant to help. As Ray says, it might be an idea to get the fluid drained, as it can be dangerous and may well continue if you are preggers. I m so hoping that it is pregnancy caused...

Waves and luffs to everyone else.