Trying to conceive thread .....4

[bunny2]

Hope you all find me here, t'is a bit lonely.

Azure - the phrase 'quality not quantity comes to mind re: our BD'ing this month. Lots of quickies!

May go to Boots at lunchtime and get a test, and then test when I get back in work. At least then when its negative I will have lots to this this afternoon to take my mind of it. That will also mean I can go out tomorrow night and get wankered!

Mum2ela

I can't believe that they said 2 years - not exactly supportive, they told me a year. I had the same thing as you, 56 days, 35 days, 52 days etc. Using the temping and opk's I found that in the long cycles, it was as though I was having 2 cyces in 1, i.e the first with no ovulation and the second with ovulation. The temping might show you when to get at it ,if you are lucky to get a pre ovulation dip, but many people don't so you have to combine the temping with other tests like the opk's.

THe temping does tell you when you have ovulated, which can give relief to your DH, I know mine was especially relieved to get a break from all the bd'ing!!. I don't think that going on the pill will kick start your system, when you have to all intense purposes only just come off it. I had the same though having initial got pregnant first time after coming off the pill after 10 years. But these things happen, and I never could quite get to grips with the thought of not being able to get pregnant one one in the hope that the following it would work, but with no guarantees.

They reckon having sex every 2 to three nights will leave enough of the swimmers around that if ovulation occurs they are still there to go into action even if you haven't had sex for 2 days. Sperm are supposed to last 5 days!!

Know what you mean about going through opk's and cash over such a long cycle, but I would suggest buying the opk's online you get 50 for £30.

Sorry to have gone one, trying desperately to do anything but work at the mo
Goodluck and kept at it.

Mum3Ela, temping will only tell when you have ov'd however you will see a pattern before you are due to ov if you temp for a few cycles eg my temps go flat and then I get a dip a couple of days prior to ov. I didn't believe that temping would be good for me but glad I started as I never did (or have) get pg as quick as I would like, try to think a bit ahead rather than the next cycle as you will be glad you started temping if it doesn't work out this month. I persevered with OPKs and was happy to see a surge line this month. I would also think carefully about going back on pill as this is what contributed to my very irregular cycles and I wish that I had come off it way before I wanted to try as I had a nightmare.

Mum2ela,

It seems from your cd at 28, 28, 52 etc, it looks like you definitely have a pattern there, maybe you just missed an AF when you had the 52dc. Please hold off on the sex every day, I'm sure you are having fun but you will not get pregnant like that. It is the most important advise.You really only need to have sex from day 10 -17, as you have more 28 day or 32 day cycles than 50something.
Sperm can live for up to 7 days inside the woman, so missing even 2 days is not going to do any harm.

The other thing you need to do is RELAX, I know a few people who have given up trying after many years of counting, IVF etc, only to fall within a couple of months.
Enjoy your husband and your relationship, and am I right in thinking you have a daughter already by your nickname, you need to have quality time with them. Stress is not a good factor in trying for a baby. Please, please, slow down on the amount of sex, it really does lower sperm count so much so, that when you are fertile, your poor hubby will not be.
IT WILL HAPPEN.....
Lots of hugs......

Thanks girls. I was going to back on the pilL for a month as this is how I conceived DD and was always totally regular when on it.

Also, next month we wont have as much chance to BD.

Oooh, don't know what to do.

Thanks smelly melly. You may be right - may just have missed an AF. I am calm, trying to relax (doning lots of other things in my life - am quite busy).

And believe me, I will be glad NOT to have sex every day - quite frankly, sometimes I would rather just be watching TV

Now how you feel Mum2Ela! Sods law that the few days a I don't fancy any passion turns out to be the days when I might of ov'd! As you all know I'm day 138 now so I'm probably not ovualting even though I eventually get AF. It always works out though that the the previous 2 weeks prior to AF putiing in an appearance I'm normally feeling poorly or miserable! And DP really doesn't like doing it for for doing it's sakes!!! He's so much into me having a good time, that if I'm obviously not really in the mood he can't stand to carry on and would rather wait! Also (and this is very personal) I have read and been told that if the woman climaxes before her parnter then the fluids can obstruct the male ejaculate. Best for us ladies to climax 2nd. Try and tell THAT to DP! He's not happy until I've climaxed first! I've tried explaining it but it's hard to implement! (blushing now!!)

Mum2Ela - another positive thing about temping is that if you do end up going back to the Docs in a few mths time (hopefully not) then it will show you are serious and they can't dismiss you again by saying 'go away and do some temping charts for 3 months'. Also you should get to see a pattern so while it might not help the first month it might in time.

Good plan BiBird - I think you have helped me make up my mind. Will start temping next month.

Am slightly concerned as I am not the best sleeper and the handbook says you need 3 hours consecutive sleep to get an accurate reading. Do you think my restless sleep would affect it that much?

BeckiF - (blushing) if I come then we have to stop cos its sooo sensitive afterwards, so we usually come the same time! Try it - its easy!

Tried this! Unfortunately a quickie to DP is anything from 30 mins upward! I'm spent by then! He can come on command but then is left feeling unsatisfied! It's one of those situations where his love and caring attitude aren't helping out! Ah well, shouldn't complain

Blimy - 30 mins for a quickie - I'd be sleeping ebfore the end of the foreplay!

Mum2Ela - don't worry about not sleeping. I rarely get 3 hours uninterrupted before temping...dd often wakes at 4, 5 or 6ish for a minute and I take temp at 7. I don't know if it affects it much but I still see a pattern showing up. You shoud def try.

This is active today!! Lots of positive vibes! Don't forget sperm will only survive in 'fertile' conditions, that is in lovely egg white stuff which doesn't last that long!!!
Bluestar, just wanted to ask - do you input your temps on FF??? Just that you said you get a dip 2 days prior to ov. Do you get the rise 2 days after?? Just I always got the dip the day of ovulation or at the most the day before and then the rise to confirm it? Just curious to see if this is different for everyone?

Hi Quackers. Yes last few cycles I have had a dip 2 days before ov marked on FF chart. The two days after dip are just below coverline and flat and then I get the significant rise. I think I read from you before (correct me if wrong) that it can take a day or two for progesterone to build up and that's why bding on temp rise day is too late and I think that's very true for me. This month, day 16 was 36.4, then 36.2 (dip) then 36.5 then 36.4 (day 19) then 36.5 (day 20) and then 36.7 (day 21). FF marked ov at day 19 as most of my temps do fall below 36.5. OPK indicated same colour 2 lines on day 18 and then a strong surge on day 19, coupled with ov pain. I feel that perhaps ov occurred on day 20 but happy to accept that perhaps it was day 19 as FF indicates. Bit long winded but trust you understand! How are you getting on?

Gosh!! Thanks for enlightening me!!! I do remember it can be a couple of days, just was interested!! You know what I'm like, love taking in loads of info about this stuff for a rainy day!! Glad you;re ov'g ok, FF is such a help!!! I'm doing ok thankyou, just hoping for some good news on here!!!!

hi everyone.

Mum2Ela, isnt there a pill that brings on af? I am sure doctors can prescribe something for women with very long cycles who are waiting to start clomid. I really think you should push for some help from your gp. Cant you find another doctor and exaggerate the amount of time you have been ttcing? (I'd be tempted). If you do decide to stick with it for now, the temping should give you lots of info. I am on my second month of temping and already am seeing patterns.

BeckiF, there are lots of women who have had perfectly normal pregnancies despite their weight. A friend of mine had IVF twin boys, they were conceived when she was overweight (it's dropped off now though, running after twins). Do you really want to hold off getting pg any longer? And, realistically do you think you will lose the weight (I know mine has been creeping up over the years despite my best intentions). If I were in your shoes, I think I would go for the ivf now. Hope you can find the right decision for you. xx

Yes Bunny, it's called depo-provera and it;s given as an injection I think.

Quacks, are you sure about that? I think depo provera is the contraceptive injection that lasts 3 months and some people report long periods of infertility after coming off it. I'll look for some info later, just about to have dinner now.

Jellycat, think you're right about the jab. Friend used it and it really messed her system up and she wished she'd never tried. I think its fine if you no longer want children, but if it is a consideration, best not to use it, think it can take a year for 'normal' fertility to return.

Hmm, there is another name I am thinking of, will try to find it out.

My doctor mentioned something to me that I could take to regulate AF which I can't remember the name of but I believe it was something given on prescription. Dr said that I would have to stop ttc for a couple of months when using it though and I didn't want to stop at that stage so declined and therefore didn't get any further info.

Just did a Google search on regulation of menstrual cycle and came up with ortho tri cyclen and agnus castus and other herbal products .

The former appears to be a combined oral contraceptive but they are saying it can `regulate' the menstrual cycle, whatever that means. Is this the one?

Evening All...
Well i have my HPT ready for use in the morning, but am almost positive that AF is just around the corner!! Have had cramps for ten days now, it just seems so unfair..Guess she's on her way, will be spending weekend under duvet!
Two Fingers Up!