TTC 10+ months part 16

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New thread for the lovely 10+ers.

15 eggs is wonderful joycep First hurdle cleared with flying colours

sea Oh cripes at your e-mail meltdown! At least you can use the drugs as an excuse Hoping that you will feel better now you've had a good cry.
Who is Mel, is she trappy spice?

nelly Agree that all this egg quality, spermy stuff & uterine lining crapola is not an exact science. I think there is just a massive dollop of luck and chance in it all.

Waves to buzz How are you doing?

cos thinking of you today. How are things at your end?

Pout - are you doing ok , has the pain gone?

Roy's sperm is 85% abnormal and so ICSI again. Does anyone know what this abnormal means? It's not morphology is it? And what is the 'normal' parameters for abnormal?

Joy I have no idea about the parameters of "normal" all I can say is that we had to have the ICSI for morphology issues.
Pain still not gone, the back pain and bloated tummy came back with a bite just before bed time and had me up in the early hours again. Really don't know what to do with myself it is so sore. What did your pains turn out to be in the end? Is there some gastric bug doing the rounds?

pout - i am sorry you are in pain. i am wondering whether you have got trapped gas which makes me think that colin is up to something. back aches and bloated tummies seems a bit of a coincidence. this isnt normal for you is it? Mine definitely wasn't gastric, i think it was severe trapped air. ive never had it last that long but walking t off seemed to work.

Joy I don't know what the normal parameters are I'm afraid but i think a much higher percentage than you might think are 'abnormal' in a 'normal' range - can the clinic expand a bit more for you if it would put your mind at rest? Big squeeze - I'm sure the ICSI is going to do its job and make beautiful handle selected perfect Joy/Roy embies.

Pout sorry for the ongoing pain that is so annoying. I woke up a lot in the night in the 2ww - just saying (and hoping for you). I'm actually much better thanks. After the elation of the bfp and the pit of despair on mon / tues I'm now back to about normal which is fine. No more bleeding and my boobs feel a bit hormonally which is keeping the fears at bay.

Sea sorry for the crazy feelings. Hope they go away soon. You're being very patient with all this waiting and jabs and stuff. Are you an exerciser i can't remember? A good bit of sweaty exercise always does me the world of good when i'm feeling like that.

Nelly results seem to vary so much for people from one cycle to another especially with different meds and stuff don't you think?

Yay joy! That's a great number of egglets. No wonder you had tummy ache - everything must've been squashed in there with that number of eggs cooking. Am pleased to hear you have the week off. Look after yourself. Hmm re abnormality. I've only heard of morphology and 85% would be pretty good. Must be an Argy thing.

pout not wanting to fuel menkuling, but I had a lot of bloating, stomach and back ache in my successful cycle's early days. I was on progesterone, but hadn't experienced anything like it in my other cycles. Sounds v uncomfortable. Deflatine and peppermint tea might help?!

sea sorry about the drug induced rage. I seem to get random pmt type days now and there's no knowing when they will arrive! Hormones are an odd thing ..

Waves to everyone else and no more talk of old ovaries.

Ps sorry about the double posting, not sure why it's happening. Stupid app.

cos I'm so so pleased the bleeding has stopped and it's great to get a 3+ weeks on the digi - it was a few weeks before I did! You must have been through hell and I'm pleased you are feeling ok now. I still automatically knicker check even when I can feel the ginster kicking me

joy we had ICSI Barry's sperm on the day were his worst, either his morphology or motility was .5% they will chose the best

Pout - Mel B is a nutritionist I am still debating if I should invest in seeing. I am ummmming and ahhhing about it. So sorry you are still in pain. Sounds just horrid. It does sound like IBS and not a bug. Bugs make you go to the loo rather than bloated don't they? Hope it eases up soon.

Joy - I have no idea about abnormal sperm at all. Isn't it something to do with shape, how many heads, shape of the head and which way they swim? Hope you enjoyed the day off. Stay away from Dr Google! You know you should!

Cos - I am an exerciser. I do 4 - 5k run every other day and yoga as well. I did the run this morning and it ended with me doubled up over the loo dry heaving. But you are right, it does help usually.

Thanks for the sympathy ladies re drug rage. I am really worried as I have a 10 day work trip in far away land with lots of biz associates etc. I am worry I might hurt someone.

Waves to Gin.

Cos - am so pleased things are better at your end. It sounds like the mini cosmos is/are settled in!

Gin- I've only heard of morph too but just been digging around in paperwork and I think this is an improved number for Roy. Such a pointless exercise but I seem to be in competition with previous performances!

Buzz - you are right they will chose the best. I need to take a chill pill!

Sea - me doctor googling?? Haha. Mel is great and I would recommend her if you think you won't be cycling for 2-3 months or so. It's the supplements that are costly rather than her and takes a lot of effort on both you and MrSea. He definitely has to be game. I will know in 5 days or so whether the effort was worth it.

joy that's a great egg haul. I'm really pleased for you.

I've no idea what the "abnormal" could be referring too.

pout sorry about the pain. I was in excrutiating abdo pain last week. I put it down to trying to ovulate for the first time since my lady bits had taken a complete battering at EC a month ago. But maybe something was doing the rounds. My insides were absolutely screaming and mr euro was quite worried about me.

Rum we knew you would soon be taking the dildocam in your stride!

cos I'm glad that the bleeding has stopped and your boobs are feeling hormonal!

Thanks sea. I hope we win! Last time we did a hearing at this venue, the press were camped outside. I am not sure I will be in any fit state to be papped next week so I hope that doesn't happen again.

Did those folks have or want a biological child? I agree with you that adoption is totally different and I think it is wrong to see it as a substitute for a biological child. It scratches a very different itch. We are not sure if it is right for us because I have never had the desperate urge to mother like some women seem to have from their teens onwards. Mine is more of an earthy biological urge to pass on my genes. So I don't think we will go down the adoption path. But I might change my mind if I ever to get accepting that passing on my genes won't happen, mourning that and getting to the point where I do want to mother someone.

I'm wittering incoherently. I hope I will do better at the hearing! I'm likely to be a bit of an intermittant poster for the next couple of weeks, and probably won't make much sense when I do post. But rest assured, I'll be cheering you on!

joy do you get to call and see how they are progressing

Afternoon ladies,

Apologies I have had a manic few days personally, my MIL died and it has been her funeral and general family stuff so access to internet has been limited to say the least, ttc also seems a bit less important at times like this to me, although I am certainly very sad she won’t get to meet any potential grandchildren (and I know she really wanted them). And as I have been catching up I am really sorry if I have missed anything!

Mad Wow what a journey to get here, a fully deserved (aren’t they all on here) BFP. Thanks for your thoughts on gluten free. I know that if I don’t eat it and then I do I feel rough but I am certainly not allergic properly so helpful to hear you ladies thoughts on it. I think for the round I will definitely be avoiding gluten given Euros experience.

Euro Interesting your experience on going gluten free, your experience has reinforced my thoughts – I think my cycle (whenever it starts) will be gluten free. I am also with you on the paperwork bleurgh I received the papers from create prior to our appointment and just couldn’t face it. It just makes it all so real for me and I am basically still in denial and presuming that it will just magically happen naturally (and it would have to be an actual miracle this month).

Pout You will be a wonderful mother, it is so lovely that you are thinking of taking a bed downstairs to sleep next to Big Dog, I think I have about 6 months left before I just buy a puppy and hire a dog walker! I am glad that everything with the ET went well and Colin is back on board and where he belongs. Hoping it is all Colin nestling in that is causing you all that pain.

Mrsden Sorry there is no ironic pre-ivf bfp fingers crossed you are able to crack on with your cycle asap now and the evil cyst hasn’t returned. I am lucky in that lots of my friends still don’t have children and those that do are aware of the social unacceptability of posting hundreds of baby pictures (well most of them) on facebook. I am yet to have to hide anyone – but I am sure it will come!

Rumi WOW – I can’t believe that you have managed to get this far without encountering the dildo cam?? Even I now expect to have to whip off my pants on arriving at any doctor’s office…..awkward if you are going to the GP about something unrelated. Glad to hear MrR is doing the hovering and looking after you! I always find a bit of comfort eating does the trick, I hope the pudding was good!

Joy I am sorry that the clinic and the process was stressful about IVIG and intralipids, and that your work are making this even more stressful for you, it is very hard trying to come up with the numerous excuses for all of the appointments to get this far I can’t imagine being able to get through an actual cycle and especially at ARGC – I think I will have to take leave or have an ill relative excuse lined up and I am probably heading to create. I am worried my work send me away at the wrong time and I have no idea how I will get out of it, but it is a case of wait and see, I don’t have enough leave to book it off so I will just have to try and avoid being sent away as much as possible or call in sick. How nice of your dad not to mention anything – if it was mine he would have definitely broached the subject of the priory after seeing all that. Great news about EC!

Sea I am sorry that the clinic have said you should do another round of Humeira and I really hope that this time the side effects won’t be as bad for you. Hold onto the hope that this is the course of action that will help you get to hold your baybee.

Lemon Hurrah that Lembie is on board! Fingers crossed for a swift and uneventful tww!

Dulcet Welcome I hope your stay is a short one.

Rabbit I am so sorry to read that you are feeling down and considering stopping ttc. I don’t really have any words of advice or comfort other than I am thinking of you and I hope you come to a decision that brings you peace and happiness. I met a woman at MIL’s funeral who has two adopted daughters as she couldn’t have children and she was saying how much joy they have brought her. Personally although there are months when I just can’t face the trying element of ttc overall I am still in it, but you are much further on your journey than me, I hope you are ok. Regarding IVF I think that as others have mentioned for me it is just making sure that I have tried every avenue, ticked every box etc (I am a bit OCD in terms of making lists and ticking them off)

Coco Welcome back, sorry to hear about your mc that must be tough. And sorry to hear about nurses treating you like idiots (been there) and Mr C changing his mind. MrT hadn’t actually realised that we had been actively trying (I just hadn’t mentioned it and had been a bit sneaky about pouncing at the right times) and so it took him a little longer to get on board the IVF train and realise that this just simply has to happen now (especially given it is his shit sperm that are the cause apparently).

Cos Oh God I am so desperately sorry, that must just be hideous. Glad to hear that the bleed has stopped and the digi gave you a good result – fingers and toes crossed all is well.

AFM – my initial scan was meant to be Friday but the clinic called this morning to rearrange (read cancel) which actually annoyed me a lot as I can’t make another day than Friday so have to wait another full week. There is something to be said that you are paying for a private service and yet receiving an NHS service…..It confuses me how clinics and private doctors get away with this, still it is what it is hey. What is one more week in the grand scheme of things. Thanks to you lovely ladies I am now gluten free, and pretty much sugar as well, and I am giving up the booze for the Sober through October thing so I will be a barrel of laughs for the next few weeks!

Joy - I am intrigued about Mel but I don't think I will be able to convince MrS to take it seriously. He has had some good comments about his SA so he thinks he doesn't have to change anything whatsoever. Grrrrr. BTW I didn't mean you were obsessively consulting with Dr Google... It's just when I have time off I know what I am like.. I guess I just think everyone is like me in that regard. Hope you are nice and relaxed and getting ready for ET.

Euro - Your work sounds so exciting. Get ready for the cameras . They were actually a gay couple and have no plans to have kids. I know they didn't mean it but they did make me feel a little bit selfish for wanting my own kids. I agree with you about adoption. I am not particularly maternal either. I guess it is a biological urge but I do think adoption is something I would consider but independently from wanting my own ie I might want to adopt as well as have my own.

Ten - I am so sorry to hear about your MIL. How's your DH? It must be v difficult. Being there for one another is the most important thing. I lost my FIL this year and it was v difficult. Knowing he really wanted to meet our children made me incredibly sad and it was extremely difficult for MrS. Shame about the delay at your clinic. It is frustrating and I agree that often private clinics are worst than the service you get from the NHS. A big hug to you and MrT.

Will be away for a couple of weeks but will try to read when I am in wifi zones to read your updates.

Good luck to Joy, Lemons, Pout. I will be logging on just to read your progress. x

Euro - good luck with the work and cameras! One thing you can say for certain is that your ovaries are most certainly not shrivelled up. You have always had such good ovarian response. Keep going, your body can get pregnant, you just need more chances.

joy - bloody fantastic at 15 eggs. I know the next bit can be a bit scary waiting for fertilisation rates. 85% abnormal sounds good to me.....if that means morphology. But in any case 15% good ones is fab! Thinking of you, stay positive.

Ten - sorry your scan was rearranged, totally annoying, well done on the gluten free.

sea - the stabby feelings are totally due to the drugs. Good luck with the work trip.

pout - how are you honey? Thinking of you, when is test day?

So sorry about your MIL ten and welcome back. We've had a spate of PILs passing away on here, which is just so sad. Thinking of you.

Joy have you heard already? I am crossing everything for your fifteen egglets. It sounds excellent in terms of number my clinic aims for 6-10, 15 is the upper end for them, as they're very keen to avoid OHSS. I am keeping stuff crossed for a transfer and some frosties for you.

AFM I am coldy-snot-monster. So I've consulted dr google and apparently it should not harm lembie, except when I get a massively high temp, which I haven't yet. So drinking tea, taking it easier and paracetamol if I get properly overheatd.

It must be getting near OTD pout. When? Keeping everything crossed!

Waves to all the others, sorry no time for complete name check. Am thinking of you.

I am posting this in the micro second I have found in Freshers Week to look at my phone. My thoughts are with you all, I am totally behind and will endeavour to catch up over the weekend. Great haul joy, pout how are the pains? (been thinking of you) cos huge loves and I cheered at the 3+ and ten sorry to hear about your MIL. Lemon this cold be The One.

After much deliberation and support from you amazing lot I am going to do ivf, if my shrivelled eggs and floppy womble are up to the job.

You are all amazing.

That was an accidental but apt typo lemon! Get better.

joy any update from the clinic about your embies?

lemons I think that a cold won't be a bad thing. It will distract your immune system and little Lembie will snuggle in absolutely undetected

ten I am so sorry about your MIL & hope that you and MrT are okay.

euro the thought of being papped would make my blood run cold.

AF is due tomorrow or Sunday. I did cave and test yesterday and can only report a faint whisper of an evaporation line (can't even piss a decent evap line!). Given that it was a very sensitive 10miu I'm not that hopeful for this cycle. Also got my usual pre-period migraine so meh. My only consolation is that when AF arrives I will be cracking open the Tramadol and Diclofenac for my bloody back!

Are you SURE it was an evap line pouty?

The papping won't be for me. But the idea of being caught in the background when I am running on very little sleep is not attractive. Thanksfully even if it does happen, it is unlikely to end up in anything anyone actually reads.

Pout - after the cp in July I had a very faint pink line that faded to a see through line that then went arctic. Not wanting to fuel the mental but I think internet cheapies faint lines can look like white lines if you see what I mean. Usually with a bfn I can't see a thing. Loves.

Yes pout are you sure it was an evap?

Rabbit - we will all be holding your hand when you go through ivf.

Turns out clinic called Roy, he neglected to tell me until 5 hours later. Useless man! 10 have fertilised. We will see what happens tomorrow. I am praying for them!

That is an excellent fertilisation rate joy Hits head at Roy failing to tell you right away!

No def an evap because it has disappeared today (not that I keep used piss sticks in the bathroom cabinet, oh no not me because that is disgusting and mad). Also feel palpably progesterone droppy today IYSWIM.

Pout, we love you and I'm furiously hoping for a different answer for you x