TTC 10+ months part 16

[Buzzybee123]

New thread for the lovely 10+ers.

Yey Pout I'm so pleased for you that Colin is back on board. Wishing you a worry free 2 ww. I found it helped me to have the test date and stick to it and just tell myself repeatedly that there is no way of knowing either way until then so I'd just have to wait - symptoms or no symptoms won't tell the answer if that makes sense. I found keeping moving with daily walks helped get rid of some of the tension, and I also kept saying to myself 'you never know all your dreams might be about to come true and if it doesn't I'm going to be fine anyway' and tried to believe it as much as possible! Good luck I've got everything crossed for you.

Joy work stress on top of it is not what you need. They may be much more sympathetic than you'd think, but either way just keep putting yourself first safe in the knowledge that you're only taking back a fraction of the effort you've already given them. If your boss didn't say anything then he's probably not worried because he knows what a star employee you are!

Nelly sorry re the DH stress hope it gets resolved ok today.

Waves everyone else.

Gin- no pgd for me. There would actually be no point as I don't get enough embryos. We couldn't afford it anyway, it's sometiing like 3k or something. Out of interest was your successful embryo of excellent quality? I remember your EC being horrendous but I can't remember why.

Just been for 2 blood tests and I had the scan with the big dude at my clinic. What a lovely man. I begged him to please do my ET this time as he seems to be people's lucky charm. I'm so suspicious. I think triggering will be tomorrow evening.

I have been shuffling around today and in so much pain. Walked down the street doubled over. Now in bed. The pain is all over but particularly in my abdomen and not sure what it is. I spoke to the doc and I was told to drink more water. Not enough eggs for ohss. Can trapped gas be excruciating? I am having all sorts of visions about the ivig treatment poisoning me.

Superstitious not suspicious

joy how annoying that you have the work stress on top! I'm lucky in that respect in that as long as I pick a time away from a hearing, I can slip out unnoticed when I need to. I'm sorry to hear you are feeling crappy today. My IBS and trapped wind can be so bad that I really can't move and my abdomen blows up like a balloon. But given what you have been through it could well be something else, so perhaps give the clinic a ring?

pout colin sounds like a toughie. It must be good to have him home! (How amusing if Colin were to turn out to be a petite little girl...)

So peased to hear you have Colin on board, pout.

Joy, trapped wind can be painful but I'm not sure why you'd have it if you don't normally suffer. Have you tried peppermint tea and going for a big poo

Nelly, hope things have sorted themselves in the nelly household.

As for what to avoid in the 2ww after Ivf I was told. Gentle exercise is fine so long as it isn't high impact or would raise my temp or heart rate too much. Told no horse riding, rugby, marathon running or tennis. Swimming, light jogging are fine. Also told no ibuprofen, smoking or alcohol. Not to let my tummy get too cold or too hot so no baths, sauna or jacuzzi. I have no idea whether this advice is based on evidence. Talking of which, thre is an interesting study showing things such as smoking, drug use have no effect on sperm levels. They could just watch Jeremy Kyle to ave concluded that.

joy PGD is eye watering expensive! And I don't quite understand how it doesn't damage the embryo... No our embryo wasn't excellent quality at all. In fact she was the worst out of the 3 we had remaining on day 3, being only 3 cells. Can't remember the grade - possibly 1, but obviously not as good as the 8 cell grade 1 and 5 cell grade 2 that went back in. It was day 6 before she was frozen and on defrosting was a 6BB. So ok but not the best. As the nurse said to us, no one knows what they were like as embryo, so the grading is all a bit meaningless!

I had a lot more pain on our 2nd ivf, right from the first few days of stims. I put it down to mild ohss, but it could have just been sore ovaries. Do you feel bloated? Lots of water and protein may help. I hope you get Dr Big. Not long to go now.

I was told the same as mrsd post ET. They also suggested resting for a day or two whilst the embie swims round, but admitted that no one really knows what makes it successful or not. Oh and I was told no sexing too.

Waves to euro, buzz and cos.

joy Hope you are okay. I wonder if a call to the clinic might be a good idea. Being bed ridden with trapped wind doesn't sound likely. It could well be stressy tummy but a call will reassure you. Hoping that you feel better soon.

cos Thank you for your wise words about the 2ww. I actually feel more worried this time round than last and am having a wobble day today. The garden was a distraction for a bit and thinking that this will be the last time I ever see the bulbs because they will almost certainly never grow. Big Dog and MrP don't make very good gardening helpers! Still the patio has been well fertilised judging by the amount of time the fertilising pellets got knocked over

It is interesting about all the differing advice there is about post transfer. I was told under no circumstances to loll about acting pregnant and definitely wasn't told to take it easy for a couple of days. mrsd I was also told no swimming! No mention of a sex ban but I will happily take that as gospel!

gin Can I ask when you were supposed to test? The doctor had left by that bit and it was a nurse who didn't seem to comprehend that it was a natural frozen cycle. She said to test 12 days past transfer. That seems a long time and my little brain thinks that if ovulation was 6 days prior to ET then my period will come as normal anyway and a 12 day test wait seems too long

buzz at an all girls Ikea trip!

pout clinics usually say 12/13 days past ET, its just so then you know the outcome for sure, very few, only critter and cos I think have waited that long , I tested early and don't regret it, I'd more rather know sooner than live in hope for another week, I worked out when it was 14 days past EC as my test date as that is roughly when my period would come, are you on progesterone ??

joy I have had painful bowel and trapped gas but not enough to put me in bed, I'd call the clinic tomorrow

Hurrah for having Colin on board, Pout! I think wobbles are inevitable, but I hope you feel calmer now, and wish you the most zen 2ww possible. It's a shame about the lack of clarity of a test date, though. Maybe you can work out a compromise date considering your usual LP?

Joy sorry about all the stress. Hope your stomach pains have settled by now. And far from imagining poisoning by the ivig, that article must make having the immune treatment seem much more worth it, no?

Nelly hope Mr N has made up for last night very well by now!

13dpo here and no PMS signs at all. (Aside from being barmy, but that's par for course month round nowadays!) I should be grateful for a month with no spotting (and no spots!) but after pissing on fivers yesterday and day before to no avail, I'm going ever so slightly more nuts than usual and am thinking my body is just messing with me. Just for the heck of it. So tomorrow or Tuesday it can go "HAHA sucker! No ironic pre-IVF diffment for you, gullible fool!"

In response I've thrown away my sugar-light guidelines and baked Nigel Slater's plum pudding-cake, and am attempting to stun my body senseless with the THREE kinds of sugar the recipe calls for. Sugar coma here I come....

It clearly does differ. I am at the same clinic as gin and sex wasn't mentioned at all! I was told no swimming though (infection risk I would guess, from EC) but otherwise light exercise is good. I was also told not to get too hot (no saunas or hot baths) and my acu lady said not to get too cold! As I did mine in winter, I ended up going to bed with a hot water bottle, but keeping it by my feet rather than anywhere near my belly.

pout my clinic always tests at 14 dpEC (blood test). And I always cave and test around 12dpEC.

joy can I ask where you saw the NK cells article? I'd like to have a read.

Hi,

I read the NK article too. Very interesting and naturally I'm now thinking this is my problem.

euro - Here's the link:
m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24047842
can't seem to get a non-mobile one.

pout - glad Colin's back where he should be

cd1 for me today and dying of some stupid cold. Coughing my guys up and generally feeling pretty sorry for myself.

I was planning on doing a full name check but phone typing is bugging me.

May be back later. Huggles to all.

guys = guts ... stupid phone hmm... think I might be PMS'ing....

euro there are some links on the pred thread to the nk cell article

Quick one from me to say yay to Colin being home pout. No advice from me on how to stay zen in the 2ww.

Interested and horrified in equal measure at the disparity in everyone's post IVF advice. But I console myself with thinking if any of it was proven to make a difference you (we) would know about it.

MrN apologised for being a dick so all is well

Pout - congrats on Colin being back in his home.

This is a very short one as I have to get back to work.

Hang in there pout, I am so please Colin is on board, I hope he is settling himself down on the sofa, ordering takeaway and picking out box sets as we speak in there!

joy how annoying that they were running late. This whole thing is stressful and the work worries just add to that. I am sorry, you deserve for this to be calm after the rotten time you've had.

sea hope you're ok.

euro thinking of you. When do you have your next round? Are they going to do anything differently this time?

nelly I did at 'snoring is not cute'! Glad MrN is out of the dog house.

Running in as no time to post but wanted to say pout so glad to hear it all went ok and that Colin/Colette is home and on the sofa. Nelly glad you got an apology and joy are you better? Lots to say and I will return v soon. Am v grateful to ten plussers at the moment, you've really helped me keep my head above the water and figure out what to do.

Nelly - that's good that MrN admitted twaterry.
Rum - how are you? How long is your LP normally?

Well I think I am getting slightly better. I called an emergency doctor at the clinic yesterday night. I have never had so much constant abdominal pain before. Doubled in two trying to get to the loo. Every breath was painful. Waking me up in the night. Paracetemol didnt touch the sides. When I looked in to it, there was no way it could be ohss. You need to produce about 30eggs for that to happen. Anyway after a stressful day sneaking out of the office- 4 trips to the clinic today for bloods, scans and extra injections and looking like a yeti running up the road hunched over, tonight I feel much better . Something has dislodged. Perhaps it was severe trapped gas! Final straw was when all my syringes and needles spilled out at the tube station in front of my dad. I hadn't told him about the ivf. So now he probably thinks I am a druggie.
I won't be doing EC on Wednesday as I seem to be still stimming.

Waves to all.

Joy ouch! I have had ibs/trapped gas pains as bad as you describe and some horrific days after my big op last year. I was told that when things are swollen inside it can press on the bowel a bit. I'm so glad seems to have passed a little. I will keep saying gently, it's ok to not to go to work sometimes. Especially if you work with someone who misses days for hangovers! How were things with scans?

Just bobbing on to say 'hi'

I'm royally fecked off today. Went to dr yesterday to get another set of day 2 hormone tests and the nurse treated me like a moron. "I can get you an appointment for tomorrow afternoon" she says. wtf! I've been for drop-in blood tests dozens of time without prior notice and just sat and waited till she could see me. I was feeling ill and knackered so didn't have energy to argue but now I'm a bit more with it, I'm kicking myself for not putting up a fight. Now I have to wait another month to get it done.

Then to top it off MrC seems to have changed his tune and now thinks we just keep shagging until the menopause hit and forget Drs and tests......

Nelly - Glad you and MrN made up.

Joy - So sorry to hear about the pain. Sounds awful. Are you feeling better now? I think you arranged to take some time off between EC & ET. Hopefully not long now and you get to have a bit of a calm and restful time. When do you think EC will be?

Coco- I know how you feel about nurses treating you like an idiot. I have had that a number of times. Grrrrr

Buzzy - I think you asked about intralipids. I don't know why Argy only give a max of intralipid for high Cytokines. They don't give it all in one go - they make you do a test every time. So basically 2 x Humira and 3 x Intralipids is the max they give for high Cytokines but a re test is done between each treatment. They do give intralipids or IVIG for other NK cells but I don't know what as I haven't got to that stage yet. I think they give the whole give with a nurse in attendance. I am hoping I won't need this for lowering Cytokines but if I do, I may well take your suggestion of where to get to get it done.

Not much to report here. 2 lot of Humira delivered today so here I go again.

Waves to all. I am a bit behind having been away for a few days.

Forgot to say... Pout - so happy you are reunited with Colin. Hope you are taking it easy and the 2WW isn't too mentalling. Keeping everything crossed for you. You are PUPO!

Hello ladies.... I'm sorry to have to report that I started bleeding yesterday - lightly to start with but it got heavier overnight and has been pretty close to AF. I think it's all over. The clinic told me to keep taking the meds and test again on thurs. not much else they can do I'm on max drugs. I was still feeling pretty buoyant about having got a positive test and got further than before but DH has gone out and I just had a little cry. I feel so bad for him - he was desperately googling yesterday and saying things like 'its probably just implantation bleeding' bless him. And I've got to tell my parents - my dad who cried when I told him I'd had a positive test. Oh ffs. Sorry for the me me me post and not name checking.

Morning all! Went for my blood tests yesterday - the day 21. Nurse wasn't well trained in patient care or customer service. Barely spoke to me as I sat down and then started questioning my paperwork. Doctor had left me a little square to put the date of CD1 so the lab would know what stage we were at. She had even wrtten in caps 'FIRST DAY OF LAST MENSTRAL CYCLE' and drawn me a box and the nurse just kept asking what is this date? Why have you written on the form? Why is this important? Had to explain we were TTC and this blood test was to be taken a set number of days from the day I had written in the box. Then she just shrugged and stabbed me.

coco - the drop in blood tests where we are are at the hospital but if you have done it at the surgery before it's a bit weird they wouldn't let you do it again. Do you have to go on cd2? The paperwork I have for the next blood test says to go between cd2-cd5. Could you try again today or tomorrow? Unless you are getting different blood tests, sorry if I misunderstood!

Coco I don't think the test has to be day 2, if it is the FSH one? I think day 2-4 is the normal advice?

Sea I'm sorry you have this hanging over you still. What a log journey.

Joy great that you feel better but it sounded very painful! And at 4 blood tests in one day. No wonder you are worried about work. But they will see your conscientiousness shine through.

Rabbit glad you have found a bit of space to breathe and that we have provided some reassurance to alleviate at least some of the concerns. Like others physically it was a piece of cake; the tough bit has always been the under performing ovaries. But the closer I get to accepting DE as inevitable, the less this worries me.

Have loads of work to do so better get on just now.

When is lemons FET due? Thinking of you