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TTC 10+ months part 16

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Buzzybee123 · 11/07/2013 20:01

New thread for the lovely 10+ers.

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eurochick · 28/08/2013 22:30

I'll have a go:

3 things that have kept me going:

  1. The lovely mr euro. We had our ups and downs getting to this point (we split up several times and he made me wait a long time to settle down) but we now really are each other's other half.
  2. My friends, who have generally been very supportive and lovely.
  3. Work, it's annoying but it funds the IVF and I have needed the distraction.

3 moments having nothing to do with ttc:

  1. Learning to shoot and discovering I am not bad at all.
  2. Wonderful holidays - Belize and the Maldives are highlights from the ttc era.
  3. Cross examining someone before an international tribunal at the Peace Palace in The Hague. Gave me a real sense of professional pride afterwards (beforehand, it is just terrifying!).

rabbit I'm intrigued by the cheesemaking!

I'm just back from a somewhat disappointing anniversary dinner. Oh well. It was never going to be a great night out as we are both not drinking and rather miserable.

seamermaid · 28/08/2013 23:03

Euro - well done you on your list. Inspirational. Sorry anniversary dinner wasn't as fun as expected. It's a hard time to celebrate.

Mad - Hope MrM cooked a nice dinner. Good luck for forthcoming transfer.

Rabbit - you have been keeping very busy! Wow! I was also intrigued by your Emma Cannon comment so I went to search for the thread you mentioned to Joy. I'm really quite shocked. I have never been to her but I do like her books mainly because they are quite accessible in their approach. If it is true that her phone goes off during treatments it is unacceptable. I did search the original poster and that was her only post on MN. I am not sure if that is iffy or not but I do know there are marketing agencies that talk up or down products/services on these sites. I am not sure that is the case at all but I am suspicious by nature. hmmmmm..... My view on acu is that it can be effective but for it to work you have to have it so often = every other day/ every week (that's how it's done in Asia) but over in Europe the costs are prohibitive. I think Chinese herbs is much more effective (and cheaper) but the problem with it if you are doing IVF at the same time is the contraindications. I had a really good Chinese doc who I saw for both for more than 15 years. But he's moved and I have been looking for someone to replaced him for years. I still haven't found someone I feel I can trust and isn't just taking my money and taking advantage of my barren desperation. What bothers me about acu in this country is gurus who claim they specialise in fertility a la Zita West and Emma Cannon. Chinese docs in China don't specialise in a specific area because the whole point is that it's holistic. Anyway... I am boring people now but it really gets up my goat when people (women especially) take advantage of barrens with services....

Cosmos - well done on being PUPO. As for your survey... I set up a business and started a part time postgrad during my 4 yrs (next month) of TTC. They have helped me a lot as I have simply not had the time to fret as much as I would like. Studies now coming to an end hence the constant thinking about TTC. I read about Coursera - free online courses from top universities around the world. I think that would be a good way to distract and learn.

Like Euro, relationship with my other half has also helped a lot. He helps me pretend to be saner than I really am.

Waves to everyone else... must sleep.

Absy · 29/08/2013 09:52

Oh euro, I'm so sorry to hear about the possible chemical pregnancy, it must be really gutting. But at least you have a plan and things/people to keep you going.

I'm trying to be SUPER healthy now, cutting down on wheat, dairy (I'm lactose intolerant and spectacularly crap at staying away from dairy products), sugar and trying to eat as many vegetables as possible. That all went to pot as we went to DH's best friend's wedding in France and I ate practically my body weight in cheese and baguette. I did feel really rubbish afterwards, so now I physically know that eating healthier is having an effect.

Absy · 29/08/2013 09:55

I'm in the post ovulation stage now (we're trying the sperm meets egg plan thing at the moment, worth a shot) so it's just a matter of waiting. I checked my diary and I have about 2 weeks until my period has come the last few rounds (I have a 35/36 day cycle) but have 2 and a half weeks until it goes beyond my record (39 day cycle). I'm trying to distract myself (as DH puts it, make an abstraction of it) so I don't constantly think "am I feeling nauseous? Am I? Am I pregnant or is it because I'm stood next to someone on the tube with horrendous BO. Oh wait, probably that"

ThatWayMadnessLies · 29/08/2013 17:23

Just popping in to say I am now pupo. The 8 had dwindled to 3 but two were apparently very good quality and one middling. One of the best is hopefully now bedding in and the remaining two need lots of positive thoughts to make it to the freezer. joy because I'm not quite 35 and this is health board funded they will only put one back.

Must run. Big waves to all!

rabbitonthemoon · 29/08/2013 17:45

Excellent news madness! Sounds really promising. I'm currently looking at the oh frannson site and thought of you.

Buzzybee123 · 29/08/2013 18:26

great news madness* fingers crossed for you :)

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eurochick · 29/08/2013 18:28

Hurrah for being PUPO mad. And I hope the other 2 make it to the freezer!

Cosmos1 · 29/08/2013 18:32

Yey Mad well done - that's great news, and back in the best place for it. Willing on your frosties for you. Good luck. Love your top 3. I'm another sewing machiner, and love it, though am rather creatively challenged. My lounge curtains took 4 attempts and still aren't hemmed.

I'm feeling very inspired reading your posts of what you've been up to despite everything that's been going on for you - it's kinda brought a tear to my eye how fab you lot are.

Sea im very impressed at you setting up a business plus studying. Am intrigued as to what too. I haven't heard of that course link, thanks, I'm going to have a look.

Euro omg to you cross examining someone before an international tribunal! Ooh makes my knees knock just thinking about it. That's very cool and a proper achievement, you should be very proud of yourself for that. Sorry the dinner was a washout.

Joy thanks for the good wishes. I'm the same as you in that when I think about it I have let ttc take over my life. I have a strong sense of wanting to redress that balance no matter the outcome of this round. Love the writing idea! What do you write? I'd love to but no idea how to get started. I did google this and found a site that might help get me going. As to Zumba, and thinking about my top 3 things, I think dancing is one of the times I feel best - I can get very carried away at weddings, nights out etc! These dance DVDs have really perked me up lately. And where would we be without hope? I spend some happy time reading the baby name threads from time to time because its all just full of future possibilities.

Rabbit I'm in awe of your creative / yoga zen ness! I remember your description of everything you've grown. I think sometimes ttc can sap your confidence to try new things (well for me it has) So the fact youve been learning all those new things is brilliant. Distraction will be my main aim for the next week thank you. Tell us more about this cheese making?!

And yes to holidays, think our best from the last few years was a Vegas to San Fran road trip - have gone and got some book son Canada and NZ today to do some planning for another one.

seamermaid · 29/08/2013 19:24

Well done Mad. I will be thinking of you every step of the way. Lots of positive thoughts coming your way.
Hope you have lots of distraction on your 2WW and not too much mentalling.

Cosmos. I bet you are a fab dancer. That's great that you made something. I often wish i was more creative but im just not. Very envious so many of the ladies here are. You asked before re immunes I think. Yes will be retested next week but only the mini test and not the full Chicago (thank goodness). Let's hope the humira worked. Antibotics was for latent TB. I know! I lose track of all the drugs myself.

Absy. It's impossible to be healthy all the time. A little bit of what you fancy doesn't do you any harm I say. Hope you get the BFP soon.

Joy. Are you about to start again? Are you on LP again? I hope the anxiety of heading back is subsiding somewhat. Btw just wanted to say you are a great writer. You really do have a way with words.

Euro. How are you doing? When is OTD? Have you done another test? And have your clinic confirmed it is a CP?

sweetgrouch · 29/08/2013 19:29

Congrats to Mad and Cosmos on being pupo.

Euro - I felt sick just imagining cross examining someone. Somehow I am more comfortable answering questions than asking them. I'm sorry about your anniversary dinner.

I have really enjoyed reading about all the activities that people on the thread do to keep themselves happy. It's amazing how many 10 plusers are into learning new skills or are so creative.

Waves and hello to everyone I know I missed in this short post.

eurochick · 29/08/2013 22:05

OTD is tomorrow. So I should get the results mid afternoon.

Thanks for all your kind words ladies.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 30/08/2013 07:59

Morning ladies!

Keeping everything crossed for the PUPOs, really hope things will go well for all of you. Also euro, I am thinking of you today.

I am loving the top-moments lists, we are so much more than this and now I want to buy a sewing machine.

Three top things that have made a difference:

  1. SB. He's calm, lovely, supportive, holds hands during procedures and when we walk down alley ways in tiny italian cities. Top moments include nearly freezing our butts off in the tent last week, but snuggling up and being okay, hiking the hills, sharing bottles of wine, chatting and Talking, exploring new places, thinking FUFC and planning time away, time together etc.
  2. My mum. When things fall apart = chem diffment and mc, I need her to pick up the pieces. She's there in the background, and comes when I need her. She's still active professionally, but when I call her she dumps the appointments and just holds my hand.
  3. Being more than TTC. I have some friends that understand. We talk about work, their children, the families, the ups and downs of life and sometimes TTC. It is good.

Three top things to distract myself in WWs:

  1. Relaxing treats: I love facials and had one between EC and ET in IVF month, it was luch; spending time by the seaside being looked after by my mum of course; spending time with friends who know and know not to ask; social plans but not That Evening with the A-plus announcement.
  2. Accepting that worrying and wondering is part of it. Recognise it, see it and let it be counselling talking there.
  3. Baking and eating the goodies, reading. Telly and tinternet are no good for me.

Three things I am proud off that happened these three years:

  1. I got married :)
  2. Starting a new job last year and being actually quite good at it. It makes a lot of difference. Also I acquired a big-ish sum of money professionally, which bought me freedom, which is a source of pride.
  3. Being godless mother to one of my friends babies, and being The Favourite Aunt and Uncle. Considering, and starting to believe in fosterparenting as an additional or alternative way to parenting

Right, no time for personals after this essay Wink be waved, cared for and given cake!

joycep · 30/08/2013 11:56

Mad ? yippee you?re pupo , that?s fantastic. Willing the other ones to the freezer. I hope you are able to fully distract yourself for the next 12 days.

Rabbit ? i saw that thread about Emma C and I remember it put me off her but I think I agree with Sea, i never quite trust some posts where there poster seems to have just posted once. But you never know. You will find the strength to balance work and ivf. I think I found that one of the trickiest things actually and many people i came across had given up work to concentrate on ivf. I thankfully don?t have a stressful job and I work close to the clinic so it makes it a lot easier plus work is a great distraction but the stress and worry about my boss and manager finding out wasn?t very nice. But a lot of that is to do with the clinic. A lot of things I had done last time fell over the Christmas break so if I am to start very shortly, it will be interesting to see how I will get around things. Will you be able to tell colleagues and bosses?

Euro ? i?m sorry your anniversary dinner was melancholy. I hope you are ok today. Also seriously impressed about you cross examining someone at international tribunal. Blimey! I think you can also add that you had EC whilst awake on to your list. You should be very proud.

Sea ? you are very knowledgeable about acu and it is interesting what you say about specialisation. I have always navigated towards the acus who specialise but I then become cynical and think they are better at marketing and business than at acu. One great way to keep people coming back is to give plenty of anecdotes that gives hope and lifts spirits but Miss Distrustful here sometimes wonders about these incredible stories i keep being told when I am being needled. It?s a great shame acu is so unaffordable here. I keep thinking i should go back to Anna actually but she is so expensive. She did manage to zap away my ovary pain though after EC, i had been shuffling around for 5 days and I saw her and bang it went. How are you feeling about getting re-tested next week? If all goes to plan, I guess I will be starting very soon.. whenever Auntie shows up and I hope to be on the flare short protocol again.

Cos ? I love the fact that you asked what everyone had been doing to distract themselves. It?s interesting. I have known I?ve been living in a fog for a while but where we live doesn?t help but there are signs this is going to change and a garden may be on the horizon. Writing is so therapeutic. I?ve always liked writing stories and like many people , would love to write a book one day. My focus is terrible though ? too many ideas and not enough self discipline to follow things through. I am writing a children?s story but I am also trying to write a humorous (if that?s possible) account of TTC. You?re a big dancer aren?t you? That?s great to have something you can lose yourself in. I get very carried away on the dance floor but I have no rhythm and no style but I do love it. I went to a wedding in April and it was wonderful to get on the dance floor and just go totally crazy after 3 months of crap. I nearly cried because of the fun and normality of it all.

I am almightily impressed and Envy with the sewing machine bonanza on here. I love the idea of being able to make my own curtains and cushions but I was reading back through all my old school reports a few weekends ago wondering about the things i used to be good at and enjoy and it reminded me I did sewing at school, ?Unfortunately Joy is not very neat at sewing. She puts in little effort or concentration and needs to spend less time in idle chatter.? So I don?t have high hopes for a hidden talent.

Whilst I wait for AF, I am psychologically preparing myself for another round. Trying to control the negative thoughts and fears is very difficult but today I?m feeling positive and now I would just like to get going. I?ve started on the super protein powder and milk (yuk) as directed by my nutritionist. Roy and I have put so much effort in to nutrition and supplements so I really will be fascinated whether it has made any difference or whether it will just validate my theory that the more effort I put in to this, the further I get from my goal. I mean I was drinking and eating rubbish food and Roy had only just given up years of smoking when I first got pregnant. It doesn?t make sense. Anyway, having read another poster on another thread I bought a book called ?The Reality Slap? which is quite interesting. We have all had this slap on here but now we arel living in a reality gap where our life isn?t where we want it to be and so i am trying to learn acceptance and commitment therapy....I mean why not, I have done crazier things druing this f*ckfest! Grin

seamermaid · 30/08/2013 12:40

Euro - How are you? Any news from the clinic?

How are our PUPO ladies? I hope you are putting your feet up and 2ww not too mentaling.

Lemons - lovely to read about your supportive mum, hubby and friends. Really happy for you that you have that important support. Makes me a bit sad that my mother and I just don't have that kind of relationship. I recently told her about AC. She was shock I would spend that kind of money on having a baby. I sensed a little judgement. Hey ho. Love the bit about you being a godless mother. I will pitch that! Smile

Joy - You must try to write your book. Sounds like a great outlet. I think you will be good at it. I forgot you were on flare short protocol last time. Oops. I hope AF comes soon so you can get going. Re nutrition - I think that's good for your health anyway so that's got to be a plus. As for acu. I haven't been back to Ana. I have tried 2 others since her and I actually prefer her to the newbies. I have given up on finding someone I feel completely comfortable with. I agree with you about the fertility acu. It bothers me how it's become a well oiled industry... I blame Zita West. I will go back to Ana when I do the IVF but only during stimms and post EC & ET. She is a bit too expensive to see weekly. Now that I have found my reflexology guy I will go to him for relaxing if needed. He doesn't talk much nor does he specialise in fertility. I prefer that to be honest.

Counting the days until I do immune re-test... feeling a bit anxious.

seamermaid · 30/08/2013 12:42

pinch not pitch... damm you phone post.

eurochick · 30/08/2013 14:39

joy I love the school report. The only time a teacher ever made me cry in class was in textiles. I couldn't get the hang of knitting so the old battleaxe decided to reduce me and the "cool girl" (who was similarly inept) to tears over it rather than actually teach us, as was her job. The only sewing I do these days is of buttons, and that usually takes me weeks to get around to.

The writing sounds great. Mr euro is a frustrated writer. I haven't written anything in years. I started a book once but never get very far.

sea I hope you get a good result on the immunes.

No news from yet, but I'm expecting my results phone call soon. I know what it's going to say, and that's fine. I did my grieving when I did the pee test earlier in the week.

eurochick · 30/08/2013 16:20

BFN confirmed. No surprise there. The dr I spoke to is really puzzled why it isn't working for us. We'll have a cycle review and see what they suggest from here.

akuabadoll · 30/08/2013 16:29

Sorry to hear euro thoughts are with you.

joycep · 30/08/2013 16:53

Oh euro I am very sorry.it still must hurt even though you were expecting it. Does the clinic believe in immunes? Would you ever reconsider perhaps supporting another cycle with pred or intrallipds? It is just very odd that you have been so close with all your cycles now.
Sorry probably not helpful to talk about that now. I hope you and mr euro have a nice weekend planned.

eurochick · 30/08/2013 17:11

My current clinic says they don't believe in immunes but dole out pred as standard (although I don't take it, of course). Hmm I don't think I would ever go down the pred road again, although I would try intralipids. The clinic were a bit equivocal about them though.

seamermaid · 30/08/2013 17:11

Euro - so sorry to hear BFN has been confirmed. I know it must still be tough to deal with. I second what Joy asked re immunes. I know you have had this tested before. Is this something you would consider for next time? Sorry if all this is too soon. I hope you and Mr Euro are okay and have something nice to look forward to this weekend. Love and handhold. x

mrsden · 30/08/2013 17:20

So sorry euro. I wish it could be different.

Cosmos1 · 30/08/2013 18:03

Gah Euro, so sorry. On the one hand it's good there's no obvious reason for it not to have worked and on the other so frustrating...... Keep going, keep investigating, I'm convinced you'll find the right combination of things for it to happen. Keep strong.

ThatWayMadnessLies · 30/08/2013 18:14

Expected or not it's still rubbish euro. I'm glad you and MrEuro are there to help each other through it. Fertility doctors seem to be "puzzled" a lot......

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