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TTC 10+ months part 16

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Buzzybee123 · 11/07/2013 20:01

New thread for the lovely 10+ers.

OP posts:
joycep · 09/08/2013 16:16

Awwww Tian Tian the panda. I feel for her. She is really grumpy apparently but with everyone staring and wondering about her diffedness, I am not surprised. Pandas aren't that fertile are they? But they seem a lot more fertile than me!

Pout - how really stressful. What news at 2pm? Our usually lovely men can be totally useless and hopeless cant they. I am sorry to hear mrp wasn't being helpful. I can't believe this has been so complicated for you this month.

Cos - diet has been going okay but things have started slipping a bit. Weight is creeping up after gastrogate. And I polished off a bottle of bubbly last weekend. Diet cokes here and there and crisps. It is so hard to keep up! How many frosties do you have waiting for you? Will you put 2 back?

Rabbit - you've hit nail on head as per usual. Passing of time in my head must mean things have got worse. But worse doesn't mean negative outcome I guess. Hypno woman says to me that perhaps we have had all the bad luck we are going to have. I must not think about things too much because I know it causes anxiety!

I was specifically told that the egg numbers wouldn't suddenly fall off a cliff and I must try and get that demon out of my head saying "but it's you joy, your body goes against the stats".

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend

Poutintrout · 09/08/2013 16:27

Joy I like your hypno's idea that you've had all your bad luck. Lets run with that idea. I know what you mean about your body going against the stats. I don't think that per se just that if the law of sod is going to strike then it will hit me squarely round the chops every time! A little of what you fancy does you good. Enjoy the little treats of bubbly, just be good some of the time Smile I ought to take my own advice!

Faintish line at 2pm. I will try again tonight at my usual time and then call it quits I think. I do think that the questionable line of last night was a positive but was just too afraid, given the stakes I'm playing for, to call it (not helped By MrP dithering). Like I said before, any other month I would have judged it to be the surge. I will call the hosp and clinic on Monday to call it off and get the digi smiley sticks for next time. I feel so low about it though (not least because I was the blithering idiot who, for some inexplicable reason, thought that I would get by on dodgy Amazon bought OPKs that weren't even clear last cycle. What the hell was I thinking? Someone please slap me for being a stupid bitch) and really want to have a scream and a little cry!

eurochick · 09/08/2013 17:34

pout I'm sorry the pish sticks have been messing you about. I reckon that was your surge. I've never used those opks, but I've read several posts saying that the line never gets as dark as the control.

rabbit I saw the panda story on the news this morning and had a swear at the telly about even pandas being more fertile than I am. Geee.

joy when are you going again? I feel quite calm about this cycle. I'm not sure if it's the hypno or that I am just used to it now. I had my second scan this morning, next one on Monday. EC probably late next week!

No problem cosmos! I love the legal analogy. Unfortunately, downregging won that one!

I've had liver-like clots as well, and I always get bad cramps before they pass. Acu seems to have made everything a lot more liquid down there. Hmm

lemons enjoy your internet break. Your lovely frosties will be waiting for you when you are ready.

I've missed loads of people, but I am way behind on my work, so that will have to do for now!

eurochick · 09/08/2013 17:50

One thing I should say - as we are now committed to natural for this cycle, I have two Gonal F pens (one 300, one 900) all sealed and refrigerated going free. They go out of date at the end of September. If any 10+er can use them, they can have them. I'm happy to meet in London for an in person handover. If anyone outside london wants then, they will have to figure out a refrigerated courier (will still be cheaper than buying the pens).

sarlat · 09/08/2013 18:32

Hi ladies

I have been desperately trying to read and catch up this week. Since my very recent extra work responsabilities kicked in I am working longer hours and I have also been really ill with sickness and nausea again. Plus today dh had a medical emergency. He is ok and I am waiting for him to come home from hospital now with a kind friend.

So all in all I just want to say sorry for not posting, but I am aware of the recent unpleasantries and stressers. Rabbit - very big tight hug to you. Pout, cosmos, euro, lemon sorry for all the ongoing cycle rubbish.

Gin - delighted to hear your scan was ok, willing chat very soon about those niggles with the blood flow and broid, I am quite emotional that you are expecting a daughter. Absolutely bloody fantastic.

My 21 week scan was all fine, did not find out the gender.

Sorry to be so vague and rushed. Am thinking of you all. Got to dash. Xxx

joycep · 09/08/2013 19:51

Euro - cant believe you are going again and so quickly. Crumbs! I think you perhaps get used to it and perhaps the hypno is taking the edge off a bit. The Argy like hormone levels to be right so touch wood all being well I crack on in about 3weeks. I just rock up when my period comes. I think I will pop in there next week to check that I don't need to get a few things tested before my period. I feel slightly sick at the thought.

Pout - I am so sorry about this nightmare. Please don't beat yourself up. Perhaps it is suppose to be next month for a reason. Those flipping sticks are a nightmare. I feel your frustration though, it is all just Sod's law.

Sar - wonderful that 20wk scan was fine. It is all going so quickly.

Looking forward to hearing some news from Art....

Buzzybee123 · 09/08/2013 21:25

pout big hugs, in my many years of poas for various reasons Hmm I have never found the second line to be as dark or as thick as the control line, whether it be an internet cheapy or a clearblue

euro fingers crossed for this cycle, it does seem to have come round so quickly, although considering AF arrived early

sar great news about your scan :)

mad I am so sorry about the family problems, fingers crossed for cycle 2 :)

rabbit I agree that a scan would be good to make sure that there is nothing left, I don't want to scare you but sometimes left over product can cause infections, sorry about the name stealing too Angry

cosmos I found downregging hard, it made me feel strange and very low in mood, but onwards and upwards with this cycle :)

joy I agree with pout your levels don't just drop off so you will be fine, 3 weeks before you go again, I can imagine you feel anxious about it all, sounds like the hypno is going well. Have you made a decision about IVIG and intralipids

lemon a break is good :)

Well it doesn't look like the position in Shropshire will be made permanent, not much happening in the mining industry, but they will extend the contract by a couple of months, its a bit worrying but we will have to see what happens. I had a private scan yesterday and all was well at 15w3d

I have to say I raised an eyebrow at the fact that the Panda refused a scan Hmm

OP posts:
eurochick · 10/08/2013 09:45

Yes, only a 3 week gap between cycles! It does seem to have come round quickly.

sar I hope your husband is ok. Sorry that the MS has caught you again. But that's great news about the good scan.

Cosmos1 · 10/08/2013 13:21

Pout you poor love that would be blowing my head off too. Can the clinic advise? I can't believe they just leave you to it, seems a bit lax but then I'm used to maximum medications I suppose. Still even if you end up waiting a month, it'll soon be here. With the CBFM you get different readings of 'normal', 'high', then 'peak' so there is a bit of reassurance when you get a 'high' that ov is happening but not quite there yet. You're very brave to even attempt input from your DH on the sticks! Absolutely no chance of a sensible answer from mine on that question! And you're right about posts and meanings - I often post something then afterwards think oh no hope they didn't think I meant such and such!

Euro EC late next week you say, gosh that does seem quick. Feeling calm is a good thing. I think there is something in knowing what to expect that's helpful. Are you drinking lots of milk to help fatten your egg?

Joy even some small diet changes may help, and I know what you mean I can never stick to eating plans 100%, a bit of champagne and diet coke is good for the soul isn't it?! I still can't get over one particular person in my life who eats such crap and still managed it, not fair. Are you taking supplements as part of the diet? I find those the easiest bit to stick with! Though I have kept up the gluten free. When we were on holiday a couple of months ago I had to have some on several days and the stomach pain afterwards was ridiculous. Yes well put 2 back if they defrost ok. We have 4 left, which they said were the 'minimum' quality for freezing but I'm trying not to think about all that. I keep repeating to myself embryos are embryos and some make it and some don't.

Sar sorry about DH, this stress doesn't stop does it. Really glad everything still looking great at your scan. Same for you Buzzy.

joycep · 10/08/2013 18:40

Pout - any news?

Cos - did you get stomach pain after eating gluten? Apparently there is a link between gluten and unexplained infertility. I am gluten free apart from the odd slip and I feel better for it but clearly isnt the cause! And ball sacks to the ''minimum' quality. Plenty of excellent quAlity fail and plenty at the other end succeed . I reckon it is just a matter of hanging on and waiting to see. Managing expectations etc. they have every chance of succeeding.
I am loads of supplements egg quality , luteal phase stuff , omega 3 oil - will it all pay off, will have to wait.

Well I was happy as larry today until at a big lunch one of my parent's friend said in front of everyone "so joy it is up to you produce the grand children for your parents. Why are women leaving it so late to have kids these days?" It was all horribly awkward. I then had to drive another of my mother's friend home and she said "your mother has told me what has been going on so I hope that didn't upset you too much". So awkward as I had no idea this woman knew. Kind of wished the other woman knew actually.
You know when you think you are dealing with things really well and all it takes is one comment and it just exposes this massive wound - you realise just how much it affects you beneath the surface. Dropped the woman off and just cried all the way home . What a baby. It is no wonder that infertility makes people withdraw from life when you have to face questions like this.

Cosmos1 · 10/08/2013 21:14

Oh Joy what a stupid lady. I just don't get how its possible to be so insensitive and naive after the age of about 25. I really hope you're ok. It must mean that from this other woman's point of view, from all she knows of you there's no reason in the world to think you won't be popping them out whenever you choose. And you've been coping with it so brilliantly lately how dare she open up old wounds. I too feel like my skin is made of tissue paper covering the most gigantic hole, it's so easy to be placed right back in the tent again. She's probably just miserable about something in her own life. Jealous about what an ace daughter her friend has? Xxx

sarlat · 11/08/2013 08:55

Pout - oh honey, what a stressfull time you are having with the ov sticks. I have been in your very shoes waiting for fet. It does feel like an enormous responsibility. I used the smiley face sticks and still got confuzzled. I was given a scan the day I thought I hadnt yet ovulated which proved I had about 24 hours previously. But getting the timming right is so important. Where are things up to now? Would you be happy to wait another month? Oh, I am sorry, it is soooo frustrating.

Cosmos - I am glad downregging is ticking along and you are feeling abit better. Do not give embryo quality another thought. If they made it to freeze they are more than good enough. And because they froze so many that proves again that they werent struggling to choose. Hang in there and well done on the diet side but I agree the odd cheeky coke or whatever is not going to be a problem. You have great chances cos.

Rabbit - oh my word, you poor thing. I have to say your experience sounds a lot like my miscarriage. And what you passed sounds 6 weeks + if it were a mc. And pregnancies of that stage do need scanning sweetheart. I can imagine that without being sure of exactly what has happened it is hard to know how to proceed. But you are entitled to ask for whatever testing you feel you might need. How far away from cycling are you? How are you feeling now?

Euro - I cant believe you are stimmimg again, that's great news. And natural again which sounds like the right choice. Your blast and implantation rate is excellent. It sounds like the only thing standing in your way is waiting for the golden embryo in an exactly the same way a couple do who get a successful pregnancy after month 3, 6 or 12 do.I feel really good about your chances. So what was that early bleed? Was it just a random querky month do you think?

Madness - goodness me, it never rains ay? I am sorry you have extra family stress to deal with too. I am thinking of you and hope things settle down very soon.

Lemon - I hope you are feeling a little better. Make sure you have some fun time out before jumping back on the bandwagon.

Buzz - I am sorry the job wont become permanent. I am delighted that all was well at your recent scan. You will ge bringing your baby home buzz.

Joy - you must keep believing this will happen, because it does all the time and can for you. You have been through such enourmous trauma you are bound to feel nervous and protective. But your hypno and dietry changes are all brilliant things to do. I do believe good food and supplements can impact on egg quality in exactly the same way that diet impacts on other parts of our health such as heart and artery condition or bowel movements. Keep going. The lady at you mums house gets the two finger salute and a big slap accross the chops from me. What a rude, horrible and presumptuous woman. Were you tempted to tell her you had already lost 3 babies to shut the old bag up. Although I know being on the spot means feelings of vulnerability overcome power of words. Grrrrr. Im sorry your mum had told people but im also sorry you were spoken to like this. Keep looking and moving forward dearest joy.

Den - hope all is ok with you, x

Well after a hectic weekend, dh seems ok but needs rest. He should be ok, needs more tests. but gave us a scare. My pregnacy is going well, bubs lives on one side of the womb and kicks a lot. But I am still struggling with some symptoms. But thats ok. Thanks for the kind wishes about dh.

eurochick · 11/08/2013 09:16

cosmos I'm lactose intolerant so haven't had anything milky in about 15 years! I'm only growing one egg, so I don't think any of that stuff matters. I try to eat healthily anyway - plenty of lean protein and fruit and veg.

joy what an insensitive woman! I'm stunned that people just don't think before they speak sometimes.

sar the early bleed coincided with me going wheat free. The same thing happened in November when I was off wheat for a month. Both times the bleeds came around implantation time: 7-9 dpo. This hasn't happened at any other time in almost 3 years of trying. I was chatting to some folks on another thread and someone had just been diagnosed with coeliac disease. I had a read up and I do have a few of the red flags - IBS, lactose intolerance, low iron levels, unexplained infertility, miscarriage. So we are going ahead with this round as planned, with me wheat free, and if it doesn't work out I will eat wheat again for a while so I can be tested for CD.

rabbit that does sound a lot like an mc. How are you now?

buzz that's a shame about the job, but I was so pleased to read about the good scan. You are a good way past the main danger zone now.

pout I only ever tried the OPKs with lines once. I got myself in such a tizz about which line was darker, I stuck with the spenny smiley face ones the other times I used them and always got one or two clear days of smileys.

rumisyum · 11/08/2013 17:58

Hello ladies.

I was once briefly a member of your wonderfully supportive group ages ago (thread 10, I think) before I disappeared from mumsnet in one of my (usually depressive and highly expletive-ridden) strops with All Things TTC. I'm sure that behaviour has aptly rid me of my right to be a card-carrying member of the 10+ club. But, I just wanted to pop on and wish a massive CONGRATULATIONS to the very many successful pregnancies that have happened in that year or so. Talk about cheering and hopeful news!

And for those of us who are not pregnant yet, the best of luck as we keep on trucking. (Or fucking, or whatever it takes.) Here's hoping we all get there in the end.

Best wishes to everyone.

CritterPants · 12/08/2013 02:13

Hi all - and rum, I remember you!

joy what a bloody stupid cow. Angry People can be real pompous idiots. Grrrr it's an unbelievably rude thing to say to anybody, even if she didn't know your circumstances. Argh, I am so sorry hon.

sar sorry you're still feeling sick, but glad everything is ok with your little one.

pout I am sorry you've had such a confusing and frustrating time with the ov sticks and especially in the unbelievably stressful run up to the transfer. I am rooting for you and Colin.

cosmos they only freeze top notch embies these days so yours will have an excellent chance. Keeping everything crossed for you, try to do some nice and relaxing things in this build up, it's really anxious-making and stressful.

euro My cousin who tried for years to have a baby got diagnosed with CD and then became pregnant shortly after. Sorry, I know it's anecdotal, and sometimes worry about diet can be just an extra layer of stress. But if there is something that isn't sitting right with you, it's worth a try.

rabbit a big hug, I'm so sorry about the mc, that sounded horrific and incredibly unfair given everything you've had to deal with.

Well I have a story about a pal of mine here who's been TTC about a year. Her lovely DH is from the deep south bible belt and his mum and stepdad just visited for a few days. The day before they left, his parents asked if the family could all pray together. So they all held hands and my friend's MIL started to pray for them to be fruitful and multiply, and step FIL (who'd apparently said almost nothing all weekend) suddenly placed his hands on my friend's head and started intoning solemnly: 'Open the Womb! Open the Womb!' Shock My friend and her DH were mortified. I thought I had it rough with my in-laws!

akuabadoll · 12/08/2013 07:29

hey critter surprise surprise he wasn't cupping the husbands dick saying 'Sort it out penis, Sort it out' Grin

Hi rum I remember you and I'm still wearing my war paint for you and all the other TTCers here. Extra special support to new arounds of IVF starting, horrid clots and pain, ov stick confusion and all the shit this throws at us.

I'm in the final stages of giving up a Middle Eastern life for now and moving to South East Asia within 10 days or so. I'm still following you all though and think of you often. x

mrsden · 12/08/2013 11:34

doll I'm intrigued to know where your next home will be! Will you be giving birth there? How does little doll feel about the news (and impending big brotherhood?) When are you due?

rum sorry you haven't hit the jackpot yet

euro I also can't believe you're going again so soon. I guess that's the beauty of natural. Best of luck. I agree with the others that it's probably just been bad luck up to now. Being able to make embryos is such a good start.

joy that woman sounds awful. I'm so sorry she upset you. Some people are so insensitive, at least the woman who drove you home realised that it might have hurt. I can forgive young people who say silly things, I was probably guilty of it at some point. But people with life experience have no excuse. I know what you mean about being able to feel ok and superficially happy and then something reminds you and there is a big bubble of sadness underneath.

pout I'm sorry that ovulation has messed you about. I've never used OPKs, they always seem unreliable to me. I know I'd never trust it.

Af has arrived today. One closer step to ivf I suppose, just a september af to go and then I'll start when the October one arrives. I wish I could work out an exact date for it. I think I'm going to book off the week of ec and et because I could do without stress work on top. I just hope work will let me book it off last minute.

eurochick · 12/08/2013 12:02

Hi rum. How are you doing?

doll! How exciting. Life is about to change in oh so many ways for you. Good luck with the move.

critter how absolutely mortifying. And doll is absolutely right - it's all about the woman of course. Tsk.

That's interesting about the CD. I really hope I haven't got it as it's a massive pain in the backside, but it would be great to have an answer. I'll be hugely peed off though, if it turns out that that is out problem and I can get pg naturally. I went to the GP about feeling out of sorts 6 and a half fecking years ago and they ran loads of tests but not that one. They came up with low iron stores but nothing else, and the levels weren't really low enough to explain how tired I was feeling. Hmmm.

mrsd your next round is coming around pretty quickly then.

mrsden · 12/08/2013 12:07

CD is pretty hard to diagnose and doctors often fob people off saying they have a touch of IBS. A relative of mine has it quite severely and it took a long time to be diagnosed even though she was very, very poorly. Even now if she has a tiny amount of gluten she is ill for several days afterwards so has to be very careful with her diet. I'd never heard of the link with infertility.

Poutintrout · 12/08/2013 12:49

joy so sorry at that stupid woman's comments. Nevermind it being a thoughtless & tactless comment but what the hell business is it of hers anyway whether you 'provide your parents with grandchildren'. You are so right about ticking along kind of okay with all this and then something (or somebody) throwing you right off track. It is no wonder us barrens withdraw from the world. I know that I have.
Kind of related I tortured myself by watching a bit of MTV's Teenage Moms yesterday. That made me very depressed and was really not a good idea, definitely like picking a scab!

sar I am sorry that you are feeling rough again and so sorry that MrS has been so unwell. I hope that he is on the mend.

critter I nearly choked reading your story about your friend. Why is it always the assumption that it is the woman. Way to make someone feel utterly shit.

doll Oh goodness, 10 days until the move. Exciting and stressful in equal measures I would guess. Are you all ready for the offski?

rum Hello, it's so nice that you have popped back. Hope that you are okay.

cosmos How are you getting on? I don't know about you but I found sarlat's comments about egg quality and freezing very comforting.

euro The CD is interesting. I have read about the link before and did wonder whether that could be my issue. I just don't think that I would have the willpower or culinary repertoire for that matter to cut out gluten. It is such a biggie to eliminate. It is interesting also what you said about going to the doctor complaining of just feeling out of sorts. I did the exact same thing at the same time as my IVF referral and they ran loads of blood tests too that all came back normal bar one (the ESR which had righted itself when it was repeated). The Gluten test was not done. How do you feel in yourself now? I still feel like I've been run down by a lorry most days and do intend on following that up when the IVF is over. Maybe I have got that all the wrong way round though and ought to have done something before.

Mrsd So it's really not long now for you till you can start with your IVF. The time will fly by.

Well I have officially cancelled this FET cycle. I called this morning & was told that there was no problem with deferring it to my next cycle. I feel alot better about it all today. I admit that I was a total bitch all weekend and wouldn't blame MrP if he decided to not come home after work today Grin I just felt such a rage mixed with being really depressed. Quite a lethal combination! Actually it all felt rather hormonal like a big hormonal soup so I wonder if my cycle was just messed up this month. AND the patchy EWCM continues. What the hell?!

eurochick · 12/08/2013 13:22

pout I am tired most of the time. Not sleepy tired with heavy eyelids but just knackered. I often come into work using the same phrase that you just used - that I feel like I have been hit by a lorry, I have been this way for years. I have trouble waking up and really struggle in the mornings. I have trouble concentrating (not ideal in my line of work). I feel a little more alert when I am off the wheat, and my IBS symptoms disappear.

I'm sorry your odd cycle is continuing. Let's hope it is all a bit clearer next time!

I had my third scan this morning. Everything is growing nicely (but slowly). Next scan is on Wednesday. EC probably Friday/Saturday according to the clinic, but I reckon it could go a day or two later as I have been laying a bit later since the mc.

Poutintrout · 12/08/2013 13:49

euro yes to the fact that you have felt this way for years. I have always made excuses for it like having a stressful job & then being unhappy with various things and maybe being a bit depressed to just feeling like I must just be a flake. I think that it was only MrP saying that it isn't right and he is worried about it that I have begun to realise that it isn't normal. I think also that when something goes on for so long that you begin to normalise it and stop noticing that other people don't feel the same. It is interesting that you use the same phrase too & it isn't necessarily about feeling sleepy tired. I'm never really off the wheat, pasta and bread are staples in this house but is interesting that you notice a difference when you lay off the wheat. Out of interest, do you get the massive slump about an hour after you eat lunch?

EC is so close for you. I can't believe how quickly it has come around. Hurrah that all is looking good and growing nicely Smile

eurochick · 12/08/2013 14:23

Yes, I do get that slump. I think that's quite common though - blood rushes to the stomach to aid digestion.

I only began to think something wasn't right 6 years ago when I was on garden leave between jobs. I had always put my tiredness down to my job (which was stressful, with long hours, etc) but I was sleeping in every morning and still felt like crap, so I went to see the GP. they ran loads of tests and were getting down to the pretty off the wall stuf (the next thing on the list was a chest x-ray for TB...) when a locum noticed that my iron levels were a bit on the low side although I was not anaemic. I took iron supplements and put it down to that, but I have been on them fo 6 years now and I still don't feel "right".

joycep · 12/08/2013 16:21

Pout ? i am so sorry this cycle is a bust and i?m sorry it has had such a downer on the mood. Not surprising really. It really isn?t what you need but I?m glad you feel slightly better now. Now best to ignore ovulation this month and put it out of your mind. What a frigging nightmare though.

Euro/Pout ? i really am shocked that you both haven?t been feeling ?right? for so many years. That is just awful. Lack of iron is always the most common culprit as is lack of vitamin D but these tend to be the first things that are tested. Some people who have CD don?t have some of the big tell tale symptoms and can go around in a fog for years before they find out what is wrong. It does certainly sound like you both need to get gluten intolerances tested. Or if that doesn?t bring anything up perhaps a test for candida overgrowth which again you don?t necessarily have to have thrush to have this awful problem. Pout ? do you have wheat based foods for lunch? Things like pasta and bread are notorious for creating that slump. I feel very lethargic if i have a sandwich. I now have gluten free pita breads. Goodness, sorry for the rambling, i watch far too much Food Hospital!

Euro ? glad things are growing. Slow is good.
Sar ? sorry to hear about MrSar. It sounds like things have been very worrying. I am glad he is going to be alright though.

Mrsd ? it?s annoying not being able to work out an exact date isn?t it. i haven?t got a clue when to book my week off.

Doll ? wow you are moving. How far along are you now?

Critter ? oh my at the humiliation of your poor mate! Gees. I was at the wedding of my cousin about 5 years ago and the church service was all a bit geared towards her fertility and let them have kids etc. She was 42 so it was quite a big thing but I remember thinking it was all quite personal and embarrassing. She ended up having 2 kids in quick succession though ? the power of prayer!

I knew you ladies would understand about what that woman said. The thing is she is lovely, a lot of fun But wow that really hit a nerve. She is a new grandmother and loves it and so she was going on about that as well and it just made me feel like complete crap . Her comment also weirdly made me feel ashamed and i think that?s partly why i hate going off to events these days or seeing various people in case they mention things. I do feel ashamed, embarrassed that I am still not pregnant.

Poutintrout · 12/08/2013 17:21

euro I feel strangely comforted that you feel the same way I do! The trouble is you can almost feel the GP tune out when you start talking in vague terms of feeling tired, run down and reeling off general aches and pains and seemingly other unrelated things. They seem more geared towards conversations of "look, my arm is falling off". What with all the TTC stuff I just can't face another battle with a GP to get listened to. Also I was a bit frightened of pushing it & potentially flagging anything that might have scuppered my IVF treatment.

joy Yes, I always have a sandwich when I have lunch. I will have a look for the gluten free pittas.
Oh no at the wedding ceremony/fertility ritual! Amen at the power of prayer Grin I went to a weird wedding once where the minister kept going on about how God didn't sanction the union of Adam and Steve. I was so shocked.
I'm not surprised that your mum's friend hit a nerve. Being in love with Grandmotherhood is all very well but her comment was so thoughtless and is no excuse for her to have the social skills of a ferret. I am so sorry that you felt a sense of shame and embarrassment. I can identify with those those emotions about the infertility that and the sense that people thought I was freaky before and now they have the proof Grin

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