TTC 10+ months part 16

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New thread for the lovely 10+ers.

mrsd in anyone else I might think "implantation?" but I've been here before.

My cervix hasn't been knocked for ages...

Hi everyone

Finally I've found time for a proper catch up. I've been reading and for weeks have been telling myself I'll post tomorrow when I've got more time, but funnily enough time doesn't materialise. I will no doubt miss loads of what's been happening so please forgive me, but I have been keeping up with everyone's TTC adventures.

Lemon I am absolutely gutted for you. I was so hopeful after your brilliant egg haul. I know that having 6 frosties won't feel like any consolation right now but they give you options and in time you'll feel ready to cycle again. Huge hugs and a large parcel of cake and gin for the tent.

Rabbit I can't believe the crap you've had to go through with the clinics. As if this whole thing wasn't bad enough they seem determined to make it even harder for you. I don't think administrative cock-ups are in any way excusable when there is this amount of stress involved. It's hard having overseas family too, especially when they go. Mine were supposed to be visiting later this year but have since changed their minds, I'm a bit gutted, it's nearly 2 years since I have seen my nieces and they are rapidly heading towards the teenage years when they just won't want to hang out with their boring aunt. I know what you mean about being the infertility story. My mum admitted she has told my aunts and uncles about our IVF and she swears blind that I said it was OK to tell them but I can't remember that conversation and can't see why I would have wanted them to know. So now I've got that weird situation where the whole family knows but I didn't know they knew and of course nobody ever mentions it. I know i shouldn't care by this point but it still feels like a very private thing and I don't see why she had to open her mouth in the first place, it being none of her bloody business. Grr.

Joy it's brilliant to see you back and I'm so impressed with all the things you've been doing over the past few months. The diet thing worked for Princess so I'm sure it's worth persevering. I too have wondered whether mild male factor was part of our problem so I'm sure all the things Roy is doing will be worthwhile. And pets do help. We finally lost our little cat this week and we are both gutted. Mr A especially because he has had her for so long, but she has been a big help for me over the past few years. Would you believe I still feel resentment at A+ announcements. I'm impressed at you being able to feel happy for your colleague. Whatever you're doing must be having a positive effect!

Pout I'm rooting for Colin. You did make me with your spot story. In the dark days of teenage acne I had many such disasters. Your dogs sound brilliant. I do miss our cat a lot. Mr A has already been pleadingly showing me pictures of cute homeless kitties but now would not be the time to get another, we need time to get the hang of a baby first hoping I like it as much as I did the cat

Euro hmmm at the oddness. I know what you mean though - in someone who wasn't a 10plusser it would be a Sign but we've all been there. Hypnosis sounds interesting if strange. I guess we all have weirdness lurking in our subconscious that we're not even aware of.

Cosmos I have everything crossed for you for the next FET round. Hurrah for being young and having lovely embryos! Intimate conversations with strangers are definitely the weirder part of the whole thing.

MrsD how are you doing? I'm sure the next cycle will be better as the clinic will be more aware of your response (and should get the bloody doses right this time). They do say the first cycle is a learning one, though it annoys me that it should be like that. Because of the way it was managed I don't feel you had a proper crack at IVF. Your time will come.

Nelly shame about the timing of MrN's work trip after the OPK! Your plan sounds good though, covers all bases and the numbers game has to work out for you (it HAS to). Have a brilliant break and I hope AF stays away for the duration.

Sea well done with the injections, i really hope they work so you can move forward with IVF. Like Pout I also found injecting more painful on one side than the other so maybe worth experimenting a bit with location?

I'm really interested in the mental block thing. From my experience I don't believe it makes a difference physically - my self-preservation tactic during IVF was to not allow myself to think it could work and I always had an idea I would have fertility problems long before we even started trying. Being pregnant was always something that happened to other people. I don't even know where that feeling came from. But I do think that mental attitude can make the 'journey' (that horrible word again) easier. I might have had an easier time over the last few years if I had been able to believe it would work out, but that's totally from the benefit of hindsight and it's hard to imagine I could have dealt with things any differently.

Waves to the other 10+ preggos Sar, Gin, Buzz, Doll and Sweet. Glad to hear scans have all been good and sickness is subsiding. Curious about the hairy bellies! I haven't noticed that, but as I've missed out on a lot of the classic preggo symptoms (generally the more unpleasant ones) I'm not going to complain!

AFM I've basically had my head in work for the past few months trying to get projects finished but finally managed that on Monday (more or less) and have now had 4 whole days of maternity leave. It's weird. There hasn't been a time in my adult life when I haven't had work to think about. There is loads to do in the house, which is nowhere near baby-ready, but since stopping work I've been hit by a big wave of tiredness so itinerant tea-drinking/cake-eating and sofa surfing is about all I've managed so far. Due date is next Friday. That's even more weird. I still can't connect the big bump in front of me with the idea of an actual real-life baby. I'm not frightened of labour any more but I am apprehensive about what comes next. it seems like a whole new alien world.

Speaking of which, i've done the ickier side of maternity shopping. Pout put the Next catalogue down for a moment - from my current vantage point i can see: 2 x packs of disposable maternity pants; a pack of giant Primark knickers of the kind you'd snigger at on your elderly neighbour's washing line; a tub of nipple cream; some disposable breast pads and 2 enormous packs of the biggest sanitary towels I have ever seen. They are about twice the size of the nappies. I am actually scared of my sanpro. Someone upthread (Rabbit?) advised putting on your smallest most glamorous underwear and dancing round the bedroom. I firmly believe you will all get your babies so before it's too late I think you should all do that. What the hell, get your tail feathers out and dance down the street. Do it now while you still can .

Apologies for marathon post. Serves me right for procrastinating! Waves and tail feather shakes and I hope everyone is having a good weekend .

lemon we are all here for you through good and bad times, if you can't rant here then where can you x

art I cannot believe you worked so close to your due date can't believe you are so close :)

euro spotting you say that is all

pout how is poas going??

if my neighbour puts anymore lighter fluid on his BBQ he is going to gas me to death in my own living room

Art I'm sorry about the loss of your kitty. It's so sad when they pass away.

But I am happy that you are on maternity leave and nearly "at goal". I can completely understand how it feel that you are heading into an unknown world. Life will be different, but wonderful. :)

AFM, I said I never spot, and this is not spotting. It was the start of AF. At 7/8 dpo. WTAF?

The weird thing is that (just as the last time this happened) my temperature was still up this morning and my boobs still hurt. It's like the bleed is out of synch with everything else.

Lemons I'm still thinking of you. I hope you are as well as can be. Be kind to yourself.

Art. How exciting you are so near. It's really lovely to hear from ten plussers with good outcomes. I hope the birth goes well and I'm sure the new chapter in your life will be full of joy.

Euro. I'm so sorry your cycle is playing silly buggars. Are you sure it is af? Could is be (whispers) implantation bleed?

Sorry for the lack of personals. I am on hols tomorrow and still haven't packed.

Really need a holiday. I had drinks with some people last night and in the middle of it I realise how out of it I feel. I felt really quite depressed about the TTC and AC situation and for the 1st time in my life I really felt I had v little to say to my friends. I also feel like a horrible failure - no baby and I have had to cut back on going for more work projects and expanding which is making me feel like my career is not going anyway.

I am also really scared that the Humira won't work as I calculated if this happens there is no way I will do an IVF cycle this year. The thought of 4 years of TTC and still not making it to IVF really makes me feel down. I'm actually wondering if depression is a side effect of the drug as I have been v tearful since the injection.

Sorry to be so downbeat. Not what our thread needs. Hopefully the holiday will put me in a better place.

Love to everyone and especially other tent dwellers.

Art - how wonderful to hear from you and to see how close you are. Wow! It's funny I keep thinking of our meet up in October last year and you were having to go to the loos to inject and here you now are. Intriguing that a* announcements still bother you. I wondered how easy it would be to shake that off. Anyway best of luck for the birth and of course let us know when he/she arrives!

Euro - I am sorry about freaky cycle. I dont kniw how one can explain it. Perhaps it's a knock on effect from last ivf round? I have had many of these and out of sync cycles. In fact the start of my ivf round was one and I nearly couldn't start as my progesterone was too high so i coukdnt understand why my period had come so early. I wish someone could explain it.

Sea - I am so sorry you are feeling like this. When are you off on holiday? It sounds like you really need one and it will make you feel much better. I don't know about humira and really it should say somewhere if it has depressive symtoms. But I also think it could be an accumulation of everything. You and MrSea are going through so much. You are on a particularly long drawn out path to ivf. I recognise that symptom of not having anything to say to friends. Your world gets smaller and few can understand what you are going through. Please look after yourself. A holiday will be just what you need.

sea sorry you are feeling down. This is all so hard. I hope the holiday helps.

joy interesting that you have had out of synch cycles too.

It's definitely AF. Really quite heavy as well, considering it had a week less to gather lining! Grrr.

art I am so sorry to hear about your cat. That is so sad.
It's amazing that your due date is now so close. Wow. Do let us know when bubs makes an appearance

euro Oh for goodness sake at the mystery bleeding. I thought exactly the same when I read your post...for "normal" people TTC that would be a dead cert for implantation bleeding and a happy ending. It's unfair.

joy I am sorry that you have got a MIL with MeMeMe-itis. That is my mother's problem also mixed with a morbid fascination that she has with misery & illness. You'd think I would be used to it all but it still right royally pisses me off especially when she uses something as devastating as this to get attention.

mrsd Are you on the FBI's Most Wanted list yet?

Well ladies, can I just ask for a hand hold please? I am stressing myself out over the OPKs. It is now CD13 and & my OPKs are messed up. I had a faintish line on Thursday and Friday and now nothing at all. I am wondering whether I have missed ovulation or it's not going to happen. I wouldn't be so worried if I had any EWCM signs but nothing, nada. Arggghhhh. Also trying to push to the back of my mind the utterly ridiculous thought that I might have been bitten by a spider (pussy, swollen, painful toe with two puncture marks that look like the pictures on Google of spider bites) and this might have messed up my ovulation hits embarrassed self over head with wet fish

sea I am sorry for not posting that I hope you feel better soon (MrP is yelling about dinner). You have been through a really shitty time of late and I am sure that you are bound to feel down. Big hugs to you and I hope that you feel rejuvenated by your holiday

pout I've had the double puncture marks before and the consensus does seem to be spider. I doubt it has stolen your ovulation though. When do you usually ovulate?

There is no way this is implantation bleeding - it is more than an averagely heavy period (although less painful, thankfully). So I guess I need to wake up to the fact that this is cycle 3. I'm not feeling terrified about that. Maybe the hypno has done something.

Pre IVF ovulation was CD16-17, post IVF CD12-14. The worry is I usually have at least 3 days of EWCM before lift off and there really is no sign of anything. Also I had wondered whether I had ovulated at the tail end of my period but just pushed that to the back of my mind. Maybe I am just stressing. I just don't want FET to be delayed again and really don't want to get another failed IVF just before my birthday so wanted to press on this cycle. Sorry I know I am being a drama llama.
at ovulation stealing spiders. So it has happened to you too? I was thinking that I must be a wally for considering it but it does look and sound a lot like that what's happened. Did yours start off for the first few hours as extremely itchy before turning excrutiatingly sore?

Posted too soon. It is strange that your period is so early. It's good though that you feel relaxed about things. Did you ovulate super early last cycle or something like that?

pout maybe you are getting back to your pre-IVF norm and will get a positive OPK in a couple of days? It must be stressful that your body is messing you around when you are waiting for Colin to come home.

Yes, I had the double puncture marks last year. I posted the pic on FB and the consensus was spider bite. Bleugh. It didn't get infected or anything though. It was just a bit red.

I don't think early ov is a possibility. I am pretty sure I ovulated Friday last week. I think it's a very short luteal phase. I googled it this morning and came across other women who have had the same thing, always about a week before their period is due. Some have had faint positive tests with it, so the consensus seems to be failed implantation.

What?! There are spiders that bite in the UK? AGH!!!!!! Tell me this isn't true! Pout that is an atrocity. Sorry to hear ov feels up the spout, maybe it is just going to come at the normal time? I know how bloody stressful it is when cycles are not the usual, it is one of the things I find the hardest. Hopefully tomorrow will bring two dark lines.

Euro bum to a short luteal cycle. I know that in the past I've had months where things were odd before tic but it used to not matter and would be easy to be logical about, travelling, flu etc. But everything seems so loaded now because you can't take a peek inside and see what is happening. I have been pondering again just what it is that stops me from getting pregnant. Borderline fsh just doesn't quite feel enough for two and a half years of barreness. But at least now you can begin a new cycle and I'm so glad you feel calmer, are you carrying on with the hypno?

Art I am so sorry to hear about your cat, losing pets is a sad thing. But it was lovely to hear from you and I will be thinking of you over the next few weeks - good luck! Exciting!

Nelly may af be banned from departure lounges! I have had that happen twice during ttc!

Sea, a great big love to you. These times are the shittest and you have had extra things to weigh you down. I empathise with ridiculous waiting for ivf, it is just so stagnating. But hold on tightly as you will get there and we will all be here to listen and support along the way.

Lemon, you have been in my thoughts. How are you?

Missing period update is - day 35 and nothing except a foul mood. I sense a period is on the way. I am always sensitive to horrible smells when I have PMT. On another planet that would equal diffedness.

Oh and I finish with a moan (den I know you will be with me on this!) My neighbour but one had her first baby the month I would have had mine, had we conceived on our honeymoon. He is now 2. I have been eagle eyeing her stomach as we both head out for work and thought I could spy a bump and found out yesterday she is having a boy, by eavesdropping I might add. Every time I see her I am reminded of what I could have had, had I been a fecund thing. Bah humbug.

Euro sorry you seem to have had another wtf month. You seem to have quite a few near misses. Sorry also for the sad feelings brought up by hypno session. The whole mind body connection is really hard to fathom out. Would you go and see her again?

Pout that is odd about awol ewcm how annoying. Do you ever find bd'ing more makes it easier to see it, if you get my drift?! at drama llama and ovulation stealing spiders

Joy how are you doing lovely? The mood swing thing sounds very familiar. It's so hard not being able to trust or predict your emotions in the same way you used to.

Sea sounds like a holiday is great timing. Well done you if you've managed until now with friends. Do you have to cut back on work projects, is it a time commitment thing or is your work quite stressful?

Art I can't believe it's nearly your time, mind you the start of your Ivf seems ages ago. Your nappies story made me laugh, and I did enjoy a bare knicker day today just me and the cotton . Thanks for the good wishes.

Lemon thinking of you hope you're ok and all your lovely frosties are giving you some hope. It hurts so much but will get better. Feel free to post away. I don't think I've ever read anything on here worse than how I already feel if that makes sense

Rabbit you always seem to have such drawn out starts to af, is it driving you mental?

MrsD at the FBI. On the telling people front some of our family members are better than others but at least I've found I don't have to pretend anymore and can just be honest when things are too much, and at least there's a bit of understanding. Everyone's different though. It is easier to keep up appearances via Skype (I've found).

I had a massive lip wobble instant tent moment on Friday which came out of nowhere, and was thinking how odd before realising it was probably something to do with the downregging. Have had very ouchy boobs which I've had the last few months now and I am not happy if this is a new feature of my cycle as it does my head in. Oddly on the spotting front this is the closest to af I've got without spotting since starting ttc (af due tues). If downregging has stopped my spotting I wonder if its something to do with my ovaries? Mind you didn't get ovulation bleeding like I normally do this month. Did anyone find downregging caused their af to be delayed? Just want to be prepared.

Waves to anyone I missed.

Oh and Rabbit sorry about the neighbour that sounds really tough, right on your doorstep. Spread a rumour that you heard its the postmans!

Cosmos sorry about the lip wobble. I'm sure this will just be drug induced. How long do you dr for? I normally have a 28/29 day cycle with three days spotting starting cd25/26 but the spotting can be up to 5 days. In October I'm pretty sure I had a cp and got af on cd34. I think this AWOL period is a result of my two week bleed and is a real curveball as I've not even had any spotting yet, not even a microscopic pin prick. If only it was pregnancy keeping it away!

Do you know roughly when you ov'd? I did read once lp tends to be more fixed than pre ov phase, when are you counting from with the bleed? Ooh I would so wish for it to be pgness keeping it away for you. I just have to wait for af now then call the clinic to go in for a scan. Yes I'm the same not even a pin prick of spotting. Very odd compared to the usual week of leakiness.

Morning lovelies!

Odd as it may sound things are looking up in the lemon-household. I had a bit of a weepy moment writing what I felt about it all with my mc-diary from last year, which helped a lot. I'm applying the coping strategies, and they seem to be working. The bleed started yesterday and it feels just like a heavy period. So SB and I went on a cycling trip, drank beer in the sun and chatted about alternative routes to parenthood. We've also been discussing about this round and concluded I've had chemicals before, one definite and a few possibles. I might discuss it with the clinic before picking up the frosties, as I don't want to go through this too many times.

So sorry about the could-have-been scenario on your doorstep rabbit. I know the feeling, I have two nephews which were conceived while we were on honeymoon. They are totally delightful and both my sisters have finished making babies, thankfully.

Sorry about the spider-attack pout. And about the silly-buggers cycle. I really hope it can go forward soon. I so hope you'll be diffed on your birthday!!

Sorry about the cat arte. I simply cannot believe your due date is around the corner. Massive good luck and hand-holds.

Cosmos my AF went AWOL for a few days when waiting for it DRing. I think it can happen. Totally unfair because it means bonus days of devil's juice. Keeping everything crossed for the frostie(s)! Random painful boob are a check as well. Now they've gone back to their previous state... So clearly all is over.

at sending your thoughts to the FBI den. I really hope you'll be feeling a bit better soon. And that they manage your next round properly.

It sounds really odd euro. Maybe something to discuss with the clinic?

at being on the FBI most wanted list. Can you imagine what they'd make of my ttc ramblings? They'd probably think its all code for something sinister.

at the spider bite. Did it attack you while you were sleeping? I wonder what sort of spider it was? I once read a story about a man who found some sort of deadly spider in his bunch of bananas. Are you going to get the bite checked out? It might be infected. I don't think the spider stole your ovulation though.

Rabbits, ugh at our fertile neighbours, I have managed to avoid mine. From sizing up her bump I reckon she's about six months so she was probably conceiving when I was recovering from the lap. I have a friend whose second baby is due this month. She announced her first pregnancy when I had been trying for 6 months. I remember that announcement so well because it was the first one that upset me because I'd started to realise something was wrong. It doesn't seem right that she is due a second. Although I think having two so close will be tough.

Euro, I think the stimming drugs can have some sort of effect on cycles. I only had a low dose but my cycles aren't back to normal after Ivf yet. They are normal length and the flow is the same but I don't feel that I'm ovulating.

cosmos my AF was a bit late when downregging last year. I had a 16 day luteal phase (it was usually 13/14 back then). I just looked back on futility fiend to check.

As you might remember, I found dring incredibily tough emotionally. You are doing really, really well if you are just having a lip wobble!

rabbit that sounds really odd. So many of us seem to be having strange cycles at the moment.

lemon I'm glad you are feeling a bit better. I have a follow up appointment at the clinic on Weds (which should have been before the start of our next cycle) so I will mention it then and see what they think.

I feel quite weak now. Saturday and Sunday were very heavy. I need some iron!

lemon I am so glad to hear that you are feeling a little better than you did. I have been thinking of you loads over the weekend and wondering how you were doing.
I think discussing your CPs with the clinic is a good idea not least to set your mind at rest.

cosmos I'm sorry about the lip wobbles. All the second guessing as to what the hell our bodies are doing is draining and ultimately emotional. How long are you downregging for? I started the Bureselin on the first day of my period and then didn't have to think about my next period until after ET.
I always thought that with EWCM checking DTD would muddy the waters (very bad analogy indeed!).

rabbit How curious about no spotting and being at CD 35. I'm sorry about your neighbour reminding you about how different things should be. There are two tiny babies on my street and I cross the road when I spot them to avoid having to see!
Apparently all spiders can bite but their fangs are generally too small to puncture the skin. However there are two types of spiders who can give a horrible bite (one of which has green fangs if you shine a light on them...faints). I am totally weirded out by it and dramatically declared to MrP how if we lived in Australia I would probably have died from my bite by now!

euro I hadn't heard of failed implantation resulting in an early bleed but I suppose it makes sense. Do you think you will discuss it with the clinic like lemons suggested?

Thank you ladies for your wise words re ovulation. I am still worried and a bit fed up that of course this is the month where it goes tits up but I am going to try and be philosophical about it. Maybe it might turn up or maybe I will have to wait another few weeks but Colin isn't going anywhere, he is safely ensconced in the freezer. Besides I have a new worry to keep me occupied We seem to have some kind of infestation of blue bottles in the bathroom. Every time I go in there are half a dozen flies buzzing around the inside of the window. I let them out the window and then more appear later on. I remember a couple of weeks ago sitting in the bath and hearing scrabbling from behind the (blocked) chimney breast in there and wonder whether something had died and somehow the flies are getting out of the chimney and out through the bath panels. Not sure what the hell we do about that. What with the spider and now the flies it is like fecking Springwatch in this house right now

Crumbs ladies, the thread has taken a dark turn in to creepy crawly land. Spider bites and fly infestations. Sorry for the extra stresses. My boss nearly died from a spider bite last year but fear not he was in a tropical rainforest so what do you expect! I?m such an arachnaphobe, the whole spider thing terrifies me.

Pout ? really sorry about the stress of ovulation. How many times are you testing a day? And you are making sure you?re not drinking/peeing for about 4 hours before hand are you? For me that?s the only way i can get the bloody sticks to work but perhaps it?s easier for others. It?s sods law that when you are really pinning hope on ovulation and carefully monitoring that it starts messing you around. It could well be that you are getting back in to your old cycle routine. What a flipping stress and now the blue bottles. Grrr. I?m sure your body will do exactly as it is suppose to do but nevertheless it doesn?t stop the stressing.

Euro ? so bizarre you having such a heavy period after a short cycle.

Cos ? i really am not surprised you have been having a lip wobble when you are down regging. You poor thing, it?s so hard. When you can stop the down regging drugs?

Rabbit ? I?m sorry about your period MiA. It?s so weird and unsettling for you. Are you going to get your immunes tested?

Lemon ? so pleased you are feeling better too and it?s certainly worth mentioning things to your clinic as well. Have you had your nk cells tested? I do find it odd that there is nothing seemingly wrong, you produce great embryos as well . Is that something your clinic will look in to?

Well my period has arrived and there i was wandering in to work daydreaming whether i might be pregnant and how I would break the news to Roy. I have had loads of spots (very unusual) the last week and that was a symptom of my first pregnancy plus i had very strong period pains a few days ago and it never materialised. When I got to work, Auntie had well and truly arrived. I did laugh at my stupidity that i could have wasted my time day dreaming about such things. There?s no fool like an old fool. SIGH.
So with my dodgy irregular cycles i could be ivfing in as little as 3 weeks time. I suddenly feel sick at the thought of how I?m going to try and do all the running about without work finding out. I wonder whether I?ll have to have another cyst aspiration and hysteroscopy again too. I need to try and put some of my hypno techniques in to action i think otherwise i?m going to have some massive meltdown / freak out. Apart from you ladies, we aren't telling any friends or families this time.

pout don't want to worry you but it sounds like you might have a corpse behind the chimney, perhaps a bird? Could you ask your landlord to investigate? Is there no smell? Have you seen your neighbours recently?

joy sorry about af? Did she show without warning? The cow. Only 3 weeks until your next cycle, will you be doing downregging or is it going to be the mild version? I know you wouldn't want to do this but I wonder if it might be best for your GP to sign you off sick when you're in the middle of it and having to attend lots of appointments. It's an added stress having to think about work and how to slip away.

joycep So sorry that the witch snuck up on you like that. I have sometimes done the whole daydreaming about how I will tell MrP etc and then feel bloody stupid when AF turns up again!
Crikey at the thought of IVF in just 3 weeks. Wow. Its is terrible that you are having to worry about time off work when the whole thing is stressful enough as it is. It doesn't help that there is such an element of uncertainty as to when stuff will happen. MrP is panicking a bit about yet more time off for the ET I think. We had words because he was asking me to pinpoint an exact date so he could book holiday for the day. I was cross that after 3 and half years the penny still hadn't dropped that my body doesn't run like clockwork! I can understand you wanting to keep this cycle private and not tell anyone, we're not either this time. Are you going to see your hypno again?
at not peeing too much. That is part of my problem I am constantly on the loo always, have been like that for years (next thing on the list to get checked out after all this TTC stuff). I am trying to reduce my fluid intake a bit and wonder whether this is having a knock on effect on CM and round and round in circles it goes.

mrsd I did laugh at you asking whether I have seen my neighbour recently. I think something has died either in the roof space, behind the chimney breast or under the floorboards. I am just hoping that it is a bird and nothing more sinister like a rat or mouse. I think we will have to call the landlord because I shut the window in between using the bathroom and half an hour later there were around 40 flies at the window. I screamed when I opened the door and had to steel myself to open the windows and bat them out. I'm leaving the window permanently open now and just hope that next doors cat doesn't sneak in again because all hell would break loose
at bananas. MrP always used to look at me a bit when I check the bananas we buy for anything suspicious. Not such a crazy lady now huh.