FAO all BESH - SNF for those who frequently CBATM and occasionally SADAW after G&T. LOLs and BD will not be tolerated. IDs will WTP.

[CaptainMoll]

AYBESAAH? DYHIDWAP? DBDMYV? CYLTEPPC? DYLG? TTITFFY!

Anyone who can correctly translate the above messages wins a baybee.

(Or at the very least, the respect of the BESH).

Hurrah for the follies! C'mon little eggs. Do your stuff! Good luck to you both.

Oo well grown Hest. We can hold hands and stab together

Good follicle news Hest & Frank - good luck with the trigger shots.

I've just had a phone call tutorial on how to mix Pregnyl on the phone. Stupid consultant ticked the wrong box and so I got the complicated one instead of nice easy Ovitrelle. Nice nurse gave me her mobile number ans said ring if we freak out about mixing it. It's supposed to be done at MIDNIGHT. What a nice nurse.

A very nice nurse you've got their Hest. Bless her for offering her mobile number. I'm on the Ovitrelle - looks like a sodding market pen!

My injection is 10pm. I wonder why they specify a time, and why so late? Has anyone had this explained to them?

marker pen.

Not sure what a "market" pen is

frank The times are because the eggs pop something like 36 hours after the trigger. So for IVF it has to be very precise (they book you in for 34 or 35 hours after you take it or something like that I think, so the eggs are as mature as possible before collection). And most clinics do EC in the morning, so patients end up triggering late at night. For IUI I guess they just want the eggs to mature as much as possible first.

Hello hags - am hoping you'll let me rejoin after being AWOL trying to suppress the menkul. Am just out of hospital after a second ectopic and am now minus both my tubes.

I've read a couple of pages back on the fred and can see some names I don't know so here's my sorry tale:
I am FizzyFeet (aka Shred). Aged 32, ttc since nov 2010. One mmc in June 2011, first ectopic dec 2011, endless shagging and tests until this second ectopic last week. Other half is GFBW.

We're now on course for IVF so will be sitting at the back taking notes!

Oh crikey fizz you've been through the mill! Enjoy that gin.

Any indication of the timing for IVF?

Thanks Euro. I'm eerily philosophical about it - cried a lot during the fannycam and blood test stages but now I just feel a bit numb. I'm hoping I stay this way. Tbh I'm exhausted with all the trying and it feels at the moment like I can just hand it over to the professionals and hopefully that will do a better job of getting me pregnant than I could do myself. I'm going to self refer to a counsellor in case of melt downs though. I'm VERY pleased that my two differ colleagues have fucked off on mat leave (though feeling very punchy that one of them has stolen "my" girl's name. Yes, I know that's ridiculous.)

As far as I can gather, I need to get a referral from the GP, then I think it's about 6-8 weeks before we see the consultant again. I want to spend that time getting healthy, and getting informed, so any good forums/ freds/ books to read, I'd be glad to hear of them.

fertility friends is good for info, but quite intense. There is an egg buddies thread on here for folks going through IVF. I'm on there. You might want to lurk for a bit and get a feel for things - terminology, different drug regimes, etc.?

Oh shreddy/fizzer :( luffly to see you but sorry for such a crap time. Hope the recovery goes ok and will be lurking watching your progress.

Brimming with positivity for fantastic follies and IVF buddies. Luff you all.

Ooo, new/old blood! Hello! That does indeed sound like a shitty time I feel exactly the same way about IVF being a relief, though - because I can't do it on my own, handing it to medical professionals is reassuring and gives me more hope than I've had in years.

Despite all that... We managed SFF last night (first since the lap, hurrah), and afterwards it suddenly hit me that we'll never SWI ever again. There's so little chance of it working, our only hope is IVF. That terrifies me and makes me feel like such a massive failure as a woman.

Oh draft :( I do understand why you feel that way and my heart broke a wee bit for you reading that, but you do know it's complete bollocks, right?

Hi ShreddyFeet, nice to meet you. Sorry you need to be here (again?)

draf I hear you sista.

Our tally is:

31 cycles since we started trying
3 where there was no possiblility of egg and sperm meeting, for various reasons
27 cycles of ttc naturally=sweet FA
1 cycle where the egg and sperm got it on in a lab=BFP

Trying naturally seems completely futile for us, even if no one can explain why that is. I am quite glad to be done with swi (sort of, it's like a drug - I can't give it up entirely and still need the occasional fix when I feel my ovaries rumbling, even though I know it is pointless).

Go follies go! Thinking encouraging thoughts for you both frank and Hest.

Fizz - that all sounds like a rough ride. Sorry to hear you've been going through that.

Fond Fish-slaps to the rest of you.

Hello shred/fizz, sorry you are back with us

for those who are feeling the BESH-Blues.

Hello Fizz - nice to meet you. Man, that's a rough ride for you. I'm pretty new to this malarkey, so I generally listen and offer ill-informed opinions. We haven't even had our first referral appt. yet, so I'm just hanging around trying to pick up whatever advice might fall my way. I can imagine that it gets exhausting. Do look after your good self. You sound like you're doing all the right things for now.

Draf - Twinks is sooo right. It's complete bollocks. You're not a failure. You are the sum of all your parts, not just your ovaries and hormones. Your body just needs help. Not everything works perfectly on everyone. It's so hard and frightening, but you'll be okay - chin up, duck.

I am back to work tomorrow with a 6am start, after a very delightful fortnight off. Boo.

Welcome back fizz. Although very sorry you have had such an enormous pile of shite. For IVF-buddies I can offer myself. Will be/have started LP-ing . So far just the pill and scary styff starting from 10 days time... I am old-fashioned, no choice, funded IVF, so might offer a nice contrast with euro's exploits. Although my normal seems to equal mild elsewhere.

Hurrah for boootiful follies. I've done the triggering with the Cheap Stuff, hes. It's okay, but it does sting a bit more than ovitrelle. That is okay. Timings for IUI are so that the egg is nearly ready to pop when they inseminate as the washed top notch sperm, apparently lives less long than the rough and ready that frank will be swimming in.

I am not sure I can every completely give up hope when sechsing although being on the pill this month has scuppered any FUFC because of course egg and sperm did meet. And there is absolutely bloody nothing wrong with us, except the obvious not getting diffed...

Good luck with work twinks. Glad you had a good break.

:( draf. I know the failure feeling. It is something a counsellor can help with, or at least try, it is not you, it is bloody bad luck and incredibly unfair.

Ta for the running compliments, both iphone and legs seem a lot worse for wear, at the least the phone is insured

Waves slightly scarily at faif. Cos I miss you.

I'm always here drizz. Can't keep away, just post less than I used to.

Fanx for the besh-love, all. I'm not a massively prolific poster so may lurk some days and post on others. But I will be (gently) waving pompoms for all the stabbing and the follies tonight!

Hi Fizzy! ><

I am a bit scared about all the precise timing on the stabbing front! Worried ill get it wrong or get the drucks wrong or something. That won't be hard for me. Luckily MATV is reasonably switched on and so I think it will be his responsibility, along with stabbing me too.

Raspberry, I set a calendar alert on my iPhone for injections. I set one half an hour before the stabbing to remind me to get the vial out of the fridge (warm it up a little) and then another to remind me to stab.

Trigger has been administered in the frankel household. Happy stabbing for later Hesty