FAO all BESH - SNF for those who frequently CBATM and occasionally SADAW after G&T. LOLs and BD will not be tolerated. IDs will WTP.

[CaptainMoll]

AYBESAAH? DYHIDWAP? DBDMYV? CYLTEPPC? DYLG? TTITFFY!

Anyone who can correctly translate the above messages wins a baybee.

(Or at the very least, the respect of the BESH).

I asked about Clomid when I was slightly stunned by my early referral for IVF (and not ready for it) and, like draf, I was told that there was no point in using it as I was already ovulating. It seems that many others do use it to string ovulating women along though.

bugs you sound like a sensible person to me. No point going and feeling ill and uncomfortable.

My temperature dropped off a cliff this morning and I am 12 dpo, so droidal invasion is imminent. Bit sad that we didn't manage a pre-IVF instadiff, but ready to get on with it. We started trying 31 cycles ago. Out of those, we've been in a position for sperm to meet egg in 28 (the two after mc we had a sechsfail and then I was travelling for work, and I didn't ov the cycle where I took the downregging drugs). We've dtd in the fertile window on each of those cycles. The only one where I got diffed was the one where sperm and egg were forced together in a lab; the 27 where they tried to get together in me just didn't work.

The Clomid thing is a difficult one. I don't ovulate of my own accord, at least not on a regular basis, so there was sense in giving it to me. However, my clinic were great in that when the Clomid didn't work properly for the first 3 cycles they just said "nope, it's not for you. Lets try something else", instead of upping the dosage and forcing the issue.

I'm CD14 and have had pant snot by the bucketload for the last few days, so I'm figuring they will tell me to take the trigger at tomorrow's appointment. We did the sechs last night and will again tonight and tomorrow. Hopefully that will be perfect timing.

euro, what sort of ivf are you doing this time? Is it natural again?

bugs, sounds ultra sensible to go home again. Will it be noticed you are not there?

frank, sechs well, lovely.

I am still awash with brownish pant snot, but still no actual droid. Maybe tomorrow...

norf yep, we're going au naturel again this time. We might do a mild round in a month or two if we don't crack it this time.

If your droid arrives soon, we could do AC menkulling together?

Do you know, having you as an ivf buddy is prob the best argument I've come up with so far for cracking on and doing it this cycle!

Grubby pant snot has turned a bit stringy and blobby, so this is surely it. Except it was so long ago that I have forgotten what I was meant to do! Call the clinic and say I want to book in for a frozen cycle?

Are you still on the ivf thread? Maybe I should make my way back there.

Do you know, every so often when I type the word ivf, I get an actual shock when I realise that I am actually a woman who has ivf. When I was younger it seemed so a) grown up b) remote and medical and special.

A cycle buddy sounds like it would help Norf. It also sounds like you have, tentatively, made a decision?

I know what you mean about those 3 letters. I remember sobbing on my best friend after the consultant first brought it up as an option

Bugs that's good about your clinic. It will make it easier should you end up needing any private treatment. But I am crossing everything that you won't get that far.

Norf that's exactly how I felt when I was stabbing - a bit flummoxed that ivf was Actually Happening to me. Will you ring the clinic tomorrow?

Blimey, I could actually have written those very words myself Norf.

I don't think I'm grown up enough for all this jazz, nor emotionally stable enough. Especially when the old 'should IVF be available on the NHS' argument rears its ugly head. Sometimes I feel like every time someone has NHS IVF, a mother of ten with cancer dies because of the lack of funding caused by us ungrateful unreasonable barrens.
Irrational I know but today is one of those irrational days. I do feel attacked some days though and I hate it. Especially when someone then helpfully suggests that really the less selfish thing to do would be to take on someone else's kids cuz they can't look after them. So you kill two birds with one stone. Rant over.

Yes, euro! IVF = a buttercup meadow for skipping and picnics. Much nicer.

rasp, I sometimes want to point out that death is natural (everyone is meant to die) and infertility isn't (everyone is meant to reproduce). So actually our thing is the thing that should take priority. I never do say it, because it is an exceptionally holey argument, I know.

Norf next month I'd picknick with you in the ivf-meadow . Totally agree with the weirdness of it all. Don't like it. But I like your internal response to the crazy debate.

On a different note, I ran 8miles today and now have very tired legs. And an overheated iphone.

Very good point Euro. I did kinda throw an argument of that sort at someone who is against it being available on the NHS as they've had loads and loads of surgery and physio on damaged knees from extreme sports. Was told to give it up and didn't. They argued that its not the same because they were already alive and any future baby of mine wasn't. However, I do believe that I am alive so should I therefore not be entitled to it?

But the treatment isn't about the future baby, it's about your health. Which isn't as it should be. Exactly like the damaged knees.

Exactly. So I reckon I won that one😏 he disagreed though!

Oooopps, dodgy emoticon fail!

Nice work drizz. I didn't make my run today. But I have had a rare weekend of doing stuff rather than sitting on our arses, so I'm sure that makes up for all the cake I have eaten.

rasp logic fail for your chap/chapess there. Birthing is always a great one to throw at the differs who say IVF shouldn't be available on the NHS. - pregnancy isn't an illness after all. But the NHS spends £££ on supporting their life choice to have a baby in terms of antenatal care and birth itself. I'm glad it does, but it does show the fallacy of the anti-IVF argument.

Rasp, I find it funny how it's always people who have kids who come out with these arguments. Strange that. Also, what about me then? I've never broken a bone in my body, been hospitalised or needed any kind of hospital treatment; can I have my 18 years' of National Insurance contributions back please in that case? (Obvs I dont really think that.) I'd rather they didn't fund some of the things they do on the NHS, but I have no say in it. We are all entitled to a fair crack of the whip with having children IMHO.

Well done on the epic run, drizz. I was meant to go out running today but fell asleep. For two hours. Total failure. Oh well, there's always tomorrow.

I had meant to run this weekend too. Instead I ate my own body weight in biscuits. I don't want to look diffed unless I actually am, ffs, so really need to stop eating and start running!

Pre-droid does not seem to be turning into droid. I am very bored of this.

euro, are you at full on Culloden yet?

Wotcha hags!

Well the drucks have done their job - I have a 24mm and 19.3mm follicle on lefty and righty has a 16.4mm a few around 12mm and fifteen, count them FIFTEEN under 10mm Go ovaries!

So it's trigger time tonight with lots of baby dancing

I keep on borderline over stimulating, which is apparently a positive should we need the IVF. For now I'm content with my 3 candidates.

Yep, norf droid is most definitely in da house. I would have liked to lose a few pounds before IVF#2, but between mc recovery, travel, crazy work hours, head bump op and fanny biopsy, I've been unable to or banned from exercise for most of the past few months. I'm now a stone heavier than I was when I got married! Gah.

Nice growing frank!

Overstimming is very common with PCOS as PCOSers have so many follies to start with. But it does mean a good response in well-managed IVF. But I have a feeling you won't need it frank. Your problem was no eggs. The drucks are sorting that.

Frank, I too will be triggering this eve. We are triggerpalz. I have one 18 and one 15 mm and a few small ones. Eek.