Excellent (or should that be eggcellent?) egg buddies! Anyone having IVF/ICSI in April/May/June 2013 come and join us!

[EuroShaggleton]

We've almost filled the second thread so here is a new one, so we can carry on chatting! Threads #1 and #2 saw some stunning successes and some sad outcomes. We'll have more of the former and less of the latter on thread #3 please!

All comers welcome. I found it very useful to be with people going through the same thing when I did my first cycle, so if you would like to join us, please come on in!

hello ladies

I still have wind issues, I smell like Rotorua hot springs right nnow woke up with a great sense of doom that it hasn't worked, I also have a funny tingly feeling on my back, a bit like shingless, think its stress, i'm in a right old mood today, almost said fuck it and went home but thought I should stick it out

Buzzy maybe you should just fuck it and go home! There aren't many times in life you can do so with a clear conscience so I say do it while you can.

Aaaw, I would agree with NookNook, Buzzy, but I know your work mates are quite nice to be around so I would say stick with it if it is at all taking your mind off the 2ww. Sending a squeeze (but not a too-tight one which would cause a squirty fart) x

Resipsa! Where are you? Have you menkulled yourself into a state of catatonia?

I made the absurd decision to buy Hello magazine and I am being accosted on every glossy page by Gisele Bundschen, Peaches Geldof, Beatrice & Eugenie and the fucking Bransons. Oh, and Cara 'Werewolf' Delavigne. Fucking upper-middle-class super-entitled twats.

Yeah, I'm in a bad mood

Jewcy shouldnt that be ?

thank you ladies but I think I'll need a day off next week when I accept that its all over, work people are very nice and understanding

Buzzy, how can you know it's all over, sweetheart? Those embies were only transferred four days ago and, yes, they will have implanted by now but would not show up as HCG in your urine until at least Friday xx

NookNook, yes, quite

Steak for tea

Hello girlies! How is everyone today?

AF arrived today so I have started taking Mycrogynon 30 and I have my initial nurses consultation tomorrow! Nervous!

They told me ill have a scan but can I expect anything else?

Early on in the IVF process over 2 appointments, I had:
-a scan with antral follie count
-blood tests for HIV etc for me and mr euro
-height and weight
-chat without consultant about things like chances of success, drugs that would be used and a general talk through the process

Oh and we also went through the consent forms.

buzz I remember that pessimism. Hug.

jewcy I had strong symptoms in both my pregnancies and bfp after 8/9dpo, I feel the same just fooked on the drugs.

I don't care what you say, buzzwam, these drugs are making you mental - so mental that you wouldn't know even if you were pregnant x

Fucking hell. Just read this on the FF forum for those of us cycling at ReproGenesis. From 'Fiona of Welwyn Garden City':

Hi,

I have been debating whether or not to post for some time now.

I went to reprogenesis last summer and like you I was very impressed with them. Loved their clinic and the people there etc.

However, I was very disappointed to see the low proportion of successes when their website quotes something like 67% with embryo monitoring when I was cycling. I asked the the link IVF person to mention it to the clinic because i was quite concerned. I have heard it said that you can get a "batch of negatives" but I have to say that the situation hasn't changed since I cycled. I haven't counted up but it seems to be about 20% on 'gut feel'. Many patients seem to be getting "hatching blasts" and to be honest, most clinics who get hatching blasts are getting great pregnancy rates.

I am so sorry to be negative and you can shoot me down if you wish, but my only intention is to make you aware of this. I have no vested interest in this, only to save others heartache.

I hope you understand

Fiona
xx

Well, thanks for that, Fiona, I shall now go and slit my wrists. Unhelpful bitch

I've replied to 'Fiona':

'Fiona, I for one found your post entirely unhelpful and would appreciate it if you kept your unfounded 'hunches' to yourself. I'm astonished you would come on here in the middle of our cycling to tell us how shite you believe ReproG to be. Your profile signature demonstrates myriad problems which, so far, no clinic has been able to rectify and I'm afraid with a medical history like yours I cannot take your BFN at ReproG to be a cause for suspicion or alarm.

If this site permitted profanities I would gently ask you to feck off.'

I am sorry if this is not the 'done thing', but here is 'Fiona's' history:

Me Age 45 DH 44 - MF and LOR
ICSI#1 ARGC Nov08, 7 eggs, 6 emb, 3 blasts - BFP! Chem Preg
ICSI#2 ARGC May09 2 emb BFN
ICSI#3,4,5 Lister - I missed miscarriage from 3 cycles
DEIVF#1 Jul- 15 egg 2xB blasts, chem
DEIVF#2 Sep- 17 egg, 2 B Blast, m/c
DEICSI#3 Mar- 16 Emb D4- 3xgrade A BFP hcg 1240(15dpo) m/c
DDIVF#4Jun 2xAblasts.HCG 78 14dpo.m/c
Aug 2011 - High NKC
FET#1 Sept BFN
DICSI#5 jan 12 =3 blasts.BFN
Serum Feb 2012 hid C and hysto
DEIVF#6,7 BFN
Reprogenesis
DEIVF#8 PICSI & embryoscope
Sep 12, 2xHB, 5 frosties, BFN
Have steroids prevented implantation?
Dec 2012 DEFET 2XHB! +neupogen BFN
ARGC 2013 with known donor

Buzzy so sorry that you're feeling rotten today. I think that in ivf feelings of doom can be easier than the unknown. Or maybe that's just me! I'm rooting for you and Jewcy is right of course 4 days is so early still.

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Jewcy Fiona sounds like the kind of person I try and avoid at all costs. A mixture of drama and ego. So so inappropriate to post on a forum. Take your grievance up with the clinic lady and leave everyone else alone!

jewcy I have a sense of something ingenuine going on here. Try not to take any notice. I can't even work out what the writer of the post is saying. Is the suggestion that 67% success is poor, or that it is deceptive, and the real figure is more like 20%? Whichever, it doesn't sound like anything of value. Trust your judgement - you seem to have your head screwed on to me .

I really feel for her with that fraught history. What an awful 5 years she must have had.

I sort of see her point. I have a similar "batch of negatives" amongst friends and folks I know online using a clinic with very high success rates. I have to say, it did influence me against that clinic even though I know that here the figures are verified by the HFEA and it's likely that I just know an unlucky bunch.

I agree, just a nay sayer taking it out on the clinic and forum because she's had a hard time of it! It's sad that things have gone badly for her but there's no need to burst everyone else's bubble!

Chin up Jewcy, she can't knock you down

jewcy She probably thinks that she is helping in some warped way, I don't quite understand what her point is, I don't think many other clinics get stats over 67%, so she needed to be clear about what she is trying to say

Perhaps she is concerned that they are giving couples false hope, I have to say there is a woman on another thread who is going to Greece, I think she is so desperate to have her baby which is natural, I do feel they have made her promises that I don't know how they can guarantee as with with this kind of things it is a delicate business, I also feel that they made her have treatment that she probably didn't really need but it is a money making business and women desperate for a baby will do anything,

Fiona has had a hell of a lot of treatment just how much money has she put into this !!! Getting pregnant is obviously not her big issue, she seemed to have left it quite late to find out about her nk cells, two miscarriages was enough for me. I feel she is struggling to come to terms with things and perhaps feels that she has been taken for a ride over the years by different clinics.

I don't think its appropriate for her to post on FF though, sometimes all we have is hope

nook a lady on my ff thread had a bfp by this stage,

Yes, euro, her history is sad - torturous, even - but she helps no-one by coming onto the ReproG forum and giving us her 'gut feelings' [quote unquote] about the stats.

ReproG is now on a par with Gennet for success rates and is among the top three clinics. The problem is they are still in their infancy and so few clients appear on the FF forum with their stories (there are only six of us at present). Anyway, I think it was very poor form of her to grind her axe on a cycling buddies forum.

Her post has now disappeared

X-posted with some of you. Thanks for rationalising things and slapping my chops. I have to admit th'usband came home to find me weeping in the bath. I've never had IVF before and this whole thing is happening so fast for me (it will be eight weeks from thinking about DE IVF to ET) that I am admittedly getting swept up in the excitement. I've said all along I hope people help to keep my head out of the clouds but this lady really sank me.

I don't know how I'm supposed to feel now.

Right there with you jewcy. You have gone through almost exactly the same process as I have, at about the same speed, and it is bonkers! DE IVF is our best chance for achieving a family, so a sound decision. You are slightly further down the line than me so on top of the surrealness of your situation, you now also are taking extra hormones! you're bound to have periods of doubt and anxiety, but I feel really positive for you. Keep your chin up.

Thanks, Motor. I've apologised to 'Fiona' for mentioning her history. I'm so horrible