Right, that's it! Fabulous Forty Somethings ttc want our bfp's and we want them now! We have waited long enough!

[hopefulgum]

Here's our shiney new thread. The one where I finally get upduffed with everyone else!

Mumalah and jass We're almost cycle buddies - I'm 6DPO I ovulated really late this cycle, on CD18, which is very unusual for me. Hoping that this is will a bit of a post-mc WTF cycle, and not a sign of anything else .

green Thinking of you, hope you're coping. It's such a rollercoaster, look after yourself.

gum Yes, that sounds like side-effects from the antibiotics - lots of live yoghurt to get your gut bacteria re-installed! Some antibiotics can really knock you out, hope you feel better soon.

jass Wow for running a half marathon, well done you!

Hello everyone else, hope you're all good!

Green, I'm so, so sorry to read your news, and apologies for not posting before, I haven't had chance. I know nothing will make it better, but we are here for you. Be really kind and gentle with yourself.

Calibee, lovely wedding photo, thanks for letting us share it, you both looked thrilled. I hope you've had a nice week together.

Diege congratulations on your little boy, I'm so pleased everything's ok. I was really nervous for my 20 week scan as well, and very relieved they didn't find anything.

Gum, I hope you'll feel better when you wake up and manage to get a decent night's sleep. I know nothing about synthetic hormones, it all sounds very confusing, and I hope you get it cleared up soon.

I'm frantically revising for my Open University exam on Wednesday and have not learned anywhere near enough. I know nothing, or so it feels.

Hi to everyone.

Hi Sparkly, It is nice to hear from you. I'll bet you do know more than you think you do (for your exam). I don't envy you having to study though. I am glad all that is behind me.

I phoned my doctor tonight and talked about about the synthetic progesterone. She seems to think that at a low dose, it is fine, but it is common practice to use pessaries once a woman knows she is pregnant. For now she wants to do the 21 day progesterone test, whilst I am taking the provera, to see how the levels look. I will have it done on Wednesday ( I am 5 DPO today - looks like a few of us are in sync). She admits that she doesn't know very much about it, and suggested that if I am worried about the synthetic form of progesterone, to try using progesterone cream.

Honestly, I think I know a lot more than she does, but at this stage I am happy to have the test on Wednesday and see where I am at, and then we'll plan something. I think I need to get some information and take it to her.

I feel a bit better about it all having discussed it and for now, the low dose of provera should be okay.

mumalah, I tend to agree with Jass, those pains do sound encouraging.

I really should go to bed. It is getting late here. I've just watched the last episode of Game of Thrones. OMG, I can't believe what that writer comes up with.He's brilliant, and ruthless at the same time. Doesn't he know how much we grow to love these characters??

Hello there!!!
Hopeful... You are very good in being so understanding... I lose faith with professionals if they seems lost... But the 21 day test will be good!!!

Sparkly...fx for your exams!!!

Mumalah....the trip was an adventure!!! :)

I had my 20 week scan and everything is going well...and we are going to have a boy!!!
As boys and girls in our family are always very naughty I am happy with either!!! Maybe, maybe I can breathe now???

Thats fantastic news notsold! I'm so pleased for you !

Good luck sparkly with your exams, I'm sure you will do well!
gum i don't know much about the progesterone thing, I'm taking baby aspirin and pre-natal vitamins. My friend was advised to take baby aspirin every day during conception and till about 12 weeks pregnant, following a miscarriage. Also when i was taking clomid I saw about 5 different consultants. Each one had a different idea or opinion. Surely it would make sense to stick to one guideline when advising patients! It drove me insane !
Jass Trying not to get my hopes up, but I like what your saying ! I haven't noticed the pains before other months, and they are still going!
Congratulations Diege ! I am !
Green be kind to yourself, still thinking of you.
I have ovulated late this month cd20 , Af usually arrives on cd 30-33. its cd29 tommorow so trying not to sound thick but is my cycle likely to be longer? FF says my cycles are irregular and average Lp is 16 days. Temps are still up.
Hello to everyone else !

I had a friend who went to doc and her doc sounded very experienced and everything, until She realized he is just reading from computer screen about the thing She had asked. And the source was Wikipedia..... But, of course, doctors can not know everything and a gp is just a gp. I am frankly amazed how in UK they are expected to perform lots of things which on continent is straightforward gynecologist matters, like day 21 progesterone test and other infertility related stuff. I hope hopeful you do not loose hope in our doc, and if She accepts your information I think ou are lucky then.

Notsoold, congratulations on your boy! They are so nice and cuddly really long time. Childhood somehow lasts longer for boys, I feel.

Hoping Green is somehow copying. Can you get pregnancy crisis help in UK? It is not at all available in Luxembourg but an easy to access system exists in Estonia. I so do not get it how high-income countries care so little for women's troubles.....

Congratulations notsoold - wonderful news. I think you can breathe now. Relax and enjoy your pregnancy.

Although my doctor seems clueless, she is happy to admit that she isn't a fertility specialist and that she can get it wrong. Her words last night were that "we'd work this out together", which I really do appreciate as I feel she treats me as an equal, not as stupid and ignorant (as other doctors have in the past).

Anyway, the blood test will give us some answers. At least I will have some idea of whether I need the progesterone support.

Honestly, although I am happy to take the progesterone and take supplements etc, I am feeling a bit jaded - a bit tired of it all - and I see my days ttc drawing to a close. I am fed up with having to try so hard for something that is less than 1% likely for me. I am not on a downer, just realising that it is requiring a great deal of energy which I think I'd like to start pouring into something other than tts which isn't giving me results IYSWIM?

Congratulations notsoold - fab news about your 20 week scan.

mumalah - I got myself some baby asprin after reading the posts on here but was thinking you started taking it once you knew you were pregnant until 12 weeks. Is is actually best to start taking it while trying to conceive?

My period is due this week some time. I can feel it coming as been feeling quite bloated over the last few days so doesn't look like we have had any joy this month. Probably for the best as had a smear a week or so back, so would be worrying about possible affects of that on a pregnancy.
Onwards & upwards!

2minds, I think most people start taking the aspirin once they have ovulated (in the 2ww). I think it is used to stop tiny clots that may form and cause early miscarriage. If you have miscarried previously, then there is a chance that the clots may form (I can't remember why) so the aspirin is a preventative.

I heard from my doctor today. Yesterday I emailed a study about progesterone supplementation use in ivf to her, and explained that I didn't expect her to read it, just that I thought she might like to know where I had gotten my information from. Anyway I was really surprised to get a reply from her today. She said that vaginal progesterone was clearly superior and I should stop the provera straight away. She also feels it is not her area of expertise and she wants me to see a fertility expert.

After reading the email I kind of felt quite depressed. I am not sure why. I mean she's kind of come around to understanding what I have been talking about, but I just don't want to go to a fertility expert. I am reluctant because I think it will be a waste of time and money. I am not going to have ivf or DE and at my age I think that's what they will tell me.

Actually today I have been feeling quite emotional and wonder if the progesterone has contributed to that feeling. Also feeling very tired after adequate sleep.

I won't be taking the provera anymore and I hope it hasn't done any harm, but honestly I think the dose was so small it won't matter. I had the progesterone blood test done today and I should get the results tomorrow, which will be interesting.

My chart is remarkably similar to the one I had when I was pregnant with my DS. I had a dip at 5dpo with his chart, and this time I have a dip at 6 DPO (after feeling some interesting fluttery pains in my lower left region). Don't worry, I am not getting hopeful. In fact I am thinking more in terms of "let's get this cycle over with, I have had enough", probably because of all the confusion with the progesterone.

Well, I have just loaded up on carbs (toast and peanut butter ) before i go for a swim - I blame the progesterone! Hopefully swimming a km will make me feel better.

Hi Everyone, I am new to mumsnet (as a member--have been lurking for awhile). I am 45 and have two children (20 and 18). I am remarried and my husband doesn't have children. We talked about trying, but didn't give it much hope (we are 45 and 47). I also wasn't totally sure I wanted to have more children. We agreed we'd give it a go. I fell pregnant immediately. Had a missed miscarriage at 12 weeks (end of Feb). I fell pregnant again in early April. Miscarried on May 14 (6 weeks). It is now the 12th of June and I am pretty sure I am pregnant again. Though, I took a test and it said negative. I am scheduled to get my period this weekend (I am normally very regular).

I also started taking Vitamin D3, B6, B12, Zinc and Folic Acid. I have swollen breasts (sore off and on), nausea, dizziness, sleepless nights (normally an incredibly sound sleeper), crazy dreams, and I've gone off wine and sausage. I actually went off the wine the night that I potentially conceived. The hubby and I are morning people and that night we were with friends at a dinner party and I had a sip of wine and it tasted like vinegar, then tried another wine--same thing. The next night, tried two different wines, and the same thing. I hadn't registered it yet as to why that was happening, until the second night when I couldn't sleep. I have been pregnant A LOT lately and the sleep issue only happens when I'm pregnant. I'm frustrated that I got a negative (though knowing full-well that it's too early), but am also afraid that I may be wrong. I feel like I don't have a lot of time left, so am anxious. Anyone out there with similar experiences of miscarriages and/or feeling you were pregnant right away?

Hello lovely people. Just back home after latest stint looking after DP's Mum (thank God she has a hoist now!). I am sleeping extraordinary amounts and having all the other delightful early pregnancy symptoms. My emotions are all over the place and it's such early days I'm trying hard to be realistic.

Warm woolly-headed wishes to all xx

Thanks for that, hopefulgum - I will try that next cycle. My last pregnancy ended in miscarriage so I will give anything a go.

hi ladies bit late posting this but just wanted to let everyone know I had my twin girls Francesca and Eryn on the 26th May. I was induced at 37 weeks and had them both naturally although little eryn was born breech. as she was also quite tiny we had to stay in hospital for a week until she started to gain a little weight and began feeding right. Unfortunately they were both also tongue tied, eryn had her tongue snipped yesterday but we've left Francesca as she is feeding ok. Both girls are beautiful and although I'm knackered I'm so happy :-)

Ooh congratulations Tina - I was wondering how you were. Enjoy your lovely girls!

Congrats tina ...wonderful news. Also great news from notsoold on your scan.
Well...wedding now seems like eons ago and i'm now on the countdown to dh going off to NIreland on monday without me and also ds moves out to his Dads tomorrow...[:(] All of this and i still dont have a date for me to go. I'm feeling very frustrated. Also it looks like my savings are going to be heftily depleted by the move...we have to pay for it all!!!! I was hoping that the savings may have been what enabled us to go down the donor egg route at somepoint if required. To top it all, i am on cd 16 with clearblue advance showing high fertility for 7 days now...no sign of a peak or a positive opk. I'm worried this is going to be another anovulatory cycle (possibly because i missed taking my clomid on wedding day). Out of 6 months this year the only times dh and i have been together when i was due to ovulate have been now and march and march was definately anovulatory and this cycle looks doubtful too. Raaaa. I'm so fed up with my body.

Tina Congratulations, that is wonderful news!

And also to notsoold - it's great to hear positive stories that it all can happen.

Welcome to the thread, sfmomlondon, let's hope you don't have to stay long! Sorry to hear about your miscarriages, a lot of us here have gone through the same.
Do you know if/when you ovulated after your miscarriage? It can sometimes take a while for your body to get back to normal, I found it to be very different after both of mine. They don't call it the WTF cycle for nothing - but who knows, you might get lucky!

gum Sounds to me as if you need a break from it all... It can sometimes just wear your out, this whole ttc malarkey. All the thinking, worrying, trying to decide what to do... Remember, whatever you decide to do, it is OK. Hope you can get some peace for yourself and that the time of fretting is over soon! You should try and focus on your holidays, perfect opportunity to forget about it all!

CaliBee The army doesn't pay for you to relocate?!? Really?!? But you're married to one of their soldiers who is serving his country with body and soul! Surely that should warrant a bit of support from their side - happy soldiers = good soldiers, right? Am on your behalf.
And if that wasn't enough... Sorry to hear about your dodgy cycle. But you might still ovulate! I ovulated late on CD18 this cycle, which is very unusual for me. So it looks to me as if you should make the most of having your DH around for the next few days in every sense

Af arrived here today - I knew that there was only a small chance of me getting pg again in the first cycle after mc, but you still hope... FF had graded my BD pattern with 'Good', but there's room for improvement.
I have decided to try the SMEP next month, wish me luck! I feel as if I should be ramping up my exercise regime at the gym, to try and build some stamina. Not sure that this helps with dtd, though... It sounds intimidating and exhausting! I certainly will struggle to stick with it, this is one area where I readily admit to my age having an effect.

Tina congratulations!!!! Wonderful news!!!

Jbrd what is smep??? Xxxx

Calibee...I thought the move would be paid for!!! Poor you!!!I also did not get a peak with the cbfm and it is expensive to keep buying the things!!! Xxxx

Isabeller...hope you are managing to get some rest and fx for you!!! Xxx

Sfmom ...welcome!!! I love this thread and can not leave it!! Xx

Hopeful life isn't fair and ttc is very , very draining...so I offer my hand xxx

Thanks everyone for your kind messages...

Xx

SMEP = Sperm Meets Egg Plan.

Which is geek speak for shagging like crazy between CD8 until about 3 days post-ovulation (if I read the description correctly)...

Welcome sfmomlondon. I know what you mean about feeling sure you are pregnant. Perhaps you tested too early and a positive will show up soon. As for the miscarriages, I am sorry for your loss. I know too well how it feels. At least you seem to be getting pregnant quite easily.

Calibee, sorry to hear that your cycle isn't behaving, and it is shocking that you have to pay for the move. I just can't believe that the army doesn't pay for that. It's disgraceful.

Tina, I am so happy for you. And I love the names you picked. I am sure you are exhausted but over the moon. Congratulations.

Jbrd, I cried when I read your words. Thankyou I am not feeling great about this ttc business. I think it can wear you down when you are into another 2ww, and I have been doing this for far too long - since my DS was about 10 months old, now he's 2 months shy of his 5th birthday. I honestly believed if I was determined enough I would get there eventually. It doesn't help when you have a partner who is not involved, nor supportive of ttc.

I guess all the odds are against me, and that is hard. I should probably take a break from it. And I intend to next cycle because of our holiday, but when you are 46 and your AMH is almost untraceable (extremely low egg reserve) it feels like I have to give every single month a go lest it be the golden egg.

I try not to think about it all the time, and from an outsider's point of view (my DH included) my life is great and I am happy and doing fine. I just want to complete my family, and to me that means having one last child. It seems the Universe may have other plans for me. I reassure myself that if/when I do get pregnant with a THB it will be the "perfect" time. But what I find difficult to reassure myself of is that if I don't have my last child (whom I feel is missing from my family) will I always miss them?

It is times like these that I wish I had a time machine, I'd go back and see myself at 35 and have a good talk about aging eggs, miscarriages and broken hearts...

However, on a brighter note, I had a lovely swim last night, though I couldn't manage my usual 40 laps, I just felt too tired. I think those progesterone tablets may have been making me feel knackered the last few days, or perhaps it is my own progesterone.

Onwards and upwards, not much else I can do. Must get the scones out of the oven. No bread today so DS is having scones for his packed lunch

Congratulations Tina and a big welcome to the world to little Eryn and Francesca, what lovely names!
I've not posted for ages so apologies for not commenting on more posts but wanted to say to notsoold it's great news about your scan,hopefully you can relax now and look forward to meeting your little boy.
Isabeller your pregnancy symptoms sound encouraging. It must be difficult looking after your MIL too while feeling rough, look after yourself.
CaliBee you look lovely in your Wedding photo, you make a lovely couple and so happy together. You still have time to ovulate before your DH leaves next week and once you move over to NI you'll be together all the time with lots of opportunity for well timed swi! It must be a wrench leaving your dc and DS in particular with being the youngest. Hopefully you can have lots of visits,it's only a short plane ride away.
Hopeful you've really been going through it with your doctor. I don't think our GPs know a lot about fertility either. I saw a different GP at our practice last week about an unrelated issue , she hadn't seen me since my second miscarriage but she asked me if I'd had any workup after my third miscarriage. I said I'd been told I wasn't entitled due to my age but she thinks I would have been. She said she'd enquire about referring me but it's a bit late now when DH wants to stop ttc.
While I was there I asked if she'd do a pregnancy test for me,I didn't want to face buying a test just to confirm my last miscarriage was complete. It was negative, I knew it would be and it is good because I don't need to have any treatment but sad also,my last chance gone .
JBrd sorry AF arrived,have a glass of wine and look ahead to a brand new cycle! Though going to the gym sounds a lot more beneficial than wine!
Welcome to the newbies!
sfmom I have had a similar experience with miscarrying to you. I'm 45 with DS 20,DD1 13 and DD2 9. I got pregnant unexpectedly last year but miscarried around week 11. We decided to actively ttc(for the first time in our lives!), waited a cycle, got pregnant but miscarried at 6 weeks,didn't wait to try again, got pregnant in the wtf cycle but despite seeing a healthy heartbeat went on to miscarry at 12 weeks, though baby had died at about 9weeks.
My most recent miscarriage was a few weeks ago at 5.5 weeks. My DH doesn't want to try any more though I think I still would if he was willing. I'm still lurking on the conception thread!
After my third miscarriage I was told to take aspirin but that at my age any pregnancy would have a 50% chance of ending in miscarriage anyway.It is tough ttc in your 40's but there are lots of success stories out there,along with a fair share of heart ache too.
This thread is very supportive though.
Hello to every one else

Hi ladies can I join please? Far too many posts for me to read through to get acquainted but I'm sure I'll get to know you all in time. Well I'm 42 and ttc #3, I have 2 ds's, youngest was 2 on Monday and eldest will be 4 tomorrow and I'd like to add 1 more little bundle of joy to our family This is my 2nd cycle ttc again and I'm already going baby mad, lol

Tina congratulations for your baby girls!!!
Isabeller ..encouraging news!!
I had a positive opk on CD 8.. I never had it so soon .. it was still + on CD 9, didn't check on CD 10 and was gone on CD 11.. but not much EWCM.. could that be the consequence of using clomid in last cycle? (4-9 may..), I also had some very light ovary pain but I wonder wether I really ovulated.. .. I just would like to have an US machine next to my bed ..
I had reassuring results about the lump in my breast but need another US in two months.. I'll go there around one year after detecting my baby anomalies and it will be terrible.. It could just be a little better if I were pregnant..
Summer is exploding here!!
sfmom welcome on the thread, I'm sorry for all the mcs but it's really a good thing to get pregant so quickly, I hope your next one will be a sticky one!

Hello there ladies, i think i may have found the right thread at last! Can I add my situation to the mix too?

I'm 43 and thinking of TTC #5. I have dc1 16, dc2 14, dc3 7 and dc4 5. I really feel like I'm pushing my luck when I've already been so lucky but I have lliterall been overcome with thoughts of one last addition.

BTW had 4 MCs before successful pregnancy with eldest so i realise that's a big possibility and to confound things further my dh is 53 and I'm not sure if that should put us out of the running altogether as he'd be 70 with a 16 year old if things went to plan!?!? He's agreeable to idea though! Feels like it has to be now or never and I my head is mashed! I don't feel old enough to be thinking of my fertility in this way but there seems to be no avoiding it!

Hello everyone !
Welcome confuz and linda
Congratulations tina
jbird I tried to do smep but couldn't keep up ! going to try again when we recover !
Gum what was your result when you were tested for fsh ?
I only ask as I had a blood test on cd2 two months ago, my hospital said they would write with results, but they didn't. After 2 weeks I phoned and asked, but they said they couldn't give them over the phone. Now 2 months later i have had a letter this morn saying i have reached menopause ! Devastated ! Didn't give me a result though , do you think I should ask again? Also I have read that these results can fluctuate from cycle to cycle ? I don't know what to do I daren't tell dh, he might give up altogether.
I'm sorry if I have missed anyone, I'm so gutted.