TTC 10+ months Part 13

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A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

It's actually a fairly balanced discussion, with a few stoopids.

nelly I wouldn't want anything for them, but as they are refrigerated, I would ask that if someone outside London wants they they organise a cold courier. I should know by April if I will let them go (I'm hanging on to them for now just in case because we said at the outset we would do one natural cycle and then consider mild; as I found EC pretty traumatic, if this one doesn't work out, I might have a use for them).

mrsd I was looking at those photos too. I have bump envy (mostly because I am desperate to be at 12+ weeks and out of the danger zone).

Gin/mrsd every time there is an IVF story on the news, I find the comments upsetting. I'm going to stay well away I thnk.

It was one of the better ivf discussions. They had a couple of well informed experts, and also people phoned up who had been through ivf. It really is one of those things that only people who have gone through it can understand. I hate that the discussions always focus on women, male infertility really is never talked about. Also, on the over 40 thing, I wish someone had made the point that it can take years to get to the point of being able to have treatment. The investigations take a long time, and you try yourselves for a year or so before seeking help. I was 28 when we started trying, but will be almost 32 when we start the first ivf cycle.

One of the experts made a good point about it being stupid being based on age and that it would be far better if a was decision made on egg reserve. He said the new nice guidelines are excellent and worth reading so I'm going to see if there is a copy online.

The new NICE guidelines are online, mrsd. I found them last week when I was looking at another forum about IVF stuff (fertilityfriends mebbe). Someone had linked to them (a published draft I think).

found it nice

this is the final, published version.

mrsd you could barely tell k-middy is pregnant.

nelly fanny candles will be in the post tomorrow

joy thinking of you

they are talking about the NICE IVF Guidelines on the news, I wonder how long it will be before MIL mentions it to me again

It's very quiet on here, there isn't a party that I don't know about is there?

if there is I haven't been invited

Well, me neither buzzy. How are you?

Evening ladies!

I have been out at the gym. Far less fun than most parties but about as sweaty as the really good ones!

Im at no party! I am crazy busy with work again BUT I'm nearly through the busy half of the year

Reading and thinking of you all and will post as soon as I can.

i'm alrighty thanks, a bit busy with work, how are you feeling??

Hello ladies. My i phone is a bit fooked, so I?ve been reading but not able to post much.

mrsd I?m really pleased to hear the radio show was more balanced about ivf. As you say, people really don?t get it unless they are in the situation. It does upset me though and make me cross! Sorry to hear you?ve been feeling meh. Not long until your ivf cycle now. I still can?t believe how long you have waited ? I?d certainly be feeling meh by now. I hope it's just a blip. I think it being so bloody cold makes this time of year harder. I am totally ready for spring/summer. I felt sad when I read how ttc has impacted on your life. I am determined to try not to let it affect my social life. I generally manage it, although seeing newborns can still make me feel shite. Sar I totally get what you mean about wishing you'd not told people about the ivf. I dread that they're going to ask me about it, when I don't want to talk about it and just want to pretend to be normal. Not that I did tell loads of people, that was Dave grrr.

buzzy Oh dear re MIL. You have your plan though, so just ignore her!

lemon hope you are feeling better too. Fingers crossed for this cycle for you. Holibubs sound ace ? jealousness.

nelly 2 weeks and you could be starting again! Follow up sounded positive? Interesting about the fanny candles. My clinic is even giving them to me post ET during the FET.

sar sorry you?ve been in the tent marquee so many of us have been in it recently! Lovely Sar, there is a very good chance that this FET could work. Open heart remember. You make fab embryos and your womble is now all spring cleaned and ready to welcome your frosties. Are you starting the FET cycle now? I?d be v. surprised if anyone gets preggers on their first post-lap cycle. Your body has been through so much and needs a little time to adjust, I?d have thought? Although that may be bollocks that I?ve just made up. Big hugs. Be kind to yourself. You will get there.

pout my word, what a week you?ve had! Are you and Mr P feeling better? I always had a drop of liquid left on my skin from the stabbing. The only jabs I found hurt were the evil clexane, which most clinics don?t use. I only agreed to take it cos of the high ohss risk I had. When is your first scan? And the dog beating made me .

euro hope you are ok. Can?t believe the first scan is coming round so quickly! Well it feels quick to me, sure it doesn?t to you. Do you know what the normal success rates are for natural ivf? It?s something I may consider with donor sperm, although would need to weigh up costs etc vs iui.

doll love that you were asked if you were an alcoholic. Good timing eh? Are you starting to feel better?

Please don?t disappear lovely pregnant ladies! It?s really nice to read your chat about your pregnancies and we?d miss you! Speaking of which, hello artemis.

rabbit I too spent the weekend in the sun gardening, which was lovely although I ached like a bastard the day afterwards [unfit face]. How?s your fur baby?

critter you are a sweetheart! Thank you for the offer of the magic wee powders. I have read about them on the net and they sound ace. I may take you up on the offer at some point. Mmmm gin cocktail. I?ve had one before with early grey and gin, which was ver ver nice. Hope all is good with you.

joy I?m thinking of you. Were you due another scan today? Hope all is well x

I?m sure I?ve missed loads, so generalised wave to Madness, freedom, sea and everyone else.

The devil?s disease hasn?t been too bad so far, as long as I avoid stuff like coffee. I?ve not managed to get hold of the drs to get any antibiotics, but I?m hoping it will bugger off on its own. I thought my mood had lifted too, although the comments re ivf on the Guardian pished me right off. I think it?s PMT emerging now though. The Hilary Mantle comments, or rather the total misinterpretation of them and personal attacks on her ?Shock, horror, she?s infertile that must be why she?s bitter? also made me stupidly . Nothing much else to report. Period due early next week and hopefully that will be the FET cyle. I just want to bloody get on with it, so we can move on. Had a nightmare last night in which our consultant was trying to blackmail us and I was horrified when I realised we?d paid an evil person thousands of pounds for ivf

Well I crashed the party on here! Was too busy writing, so missed your posts. Oops, sorry for the essay.

gin we usually hear from MIL on a Sunday evening but didn't this week, but its the sort of thing she would comment on, perhaps we have fallen from favour or something else has distracted her

euro is your scan next week??

Yay, you've all reappeared. I was worried that I really was the last one left to turn out the lights.

Euro, the gym! I'm impressed. Get your feet up, you're growing a real little person inside you

Glad to hear you're doing ok gin. Is gin off the menu too?

Gin I think the overall success rates are fairly low - 18% or something like that, but bear in mind a lot of women who go for it are older. Once you have made an embryo, I think the rates are the same as anyone going for a 2 day transfer (with a max of one embie early transfer is standard) which is about 27% or something like that. I think you have to expect it to take more than one cycle, even more so than standard IVF.

The days are really dragging but we are at the midway point between blood test and scan now. I'm about to get busier at work, which should help the days pass.

I'm glad the devil's disease isn't giving you too much gip? gyp? trouble.

X-posts

buzz it's next Thursday.

mrsd it's a good thing - increases blood flow to the womb and stuff. And being fit is supposed to make the end bit easier. I've quit running and trying to flatten my stomach though - the first because my heart rate gets daftly high really quickly and the second because I have given that up as a lost cause! As soon as it gets a bit warmer, I'm going to get back to swimming. I used to be very into it and swim a mile 3 or more times a week. But for now, it's the gym.

Swimming is great exercise. I keep meaning to go. I do like running, but it's far too cold and icy and snowy for that. I need to get fit for the summer.

Thanks mrsd I've not tried gin but think the tonic might be ouchy :( Wine oddly seems to be ok! Good job the amount I've drunk over the weekend and plan to drink next weekend.

euro impressed face at the gym. It's all I can do to drag myself to/from work and I don't have any mini person in me excuses! Hmmm re natural ivf. Maybe we should give iui a go, although the success rates are very low for that, but 3 rounds are cheaper. I don't understand why iui rates are so much lower than normal conception rates.

buzz did mil ever come up with some ££s towards your treatment?! Much more useful than ringing you up to tell you about random news stories.

Right I'm owf to bed. Adios ladies.

Morning ladies. I was also a bit worried that everyone had decamped somewhere else!

gin Glad that you aren't suffering too much with the cystitis. FWIW (and you probably know anyway) MrP was told to avoid fruit juice (except Cranberry) because that makes the wee acidic and stingy.
Roll on your period and onwards and upwards with your FET cycle! I think that you do get to a point when you just want to crack on, though because of your dream I now do imagine your consultant as Dr Evil.

euro I too am impressed at your gym stuff.

Buzzy I hope that your MIL is distracted. It must be horrible to have someone in your ear all the time. I got the hump when my MIL sent us a good luck card when she heard months ago that we would need IVF. I was a bit and felt relieved that Clintons don't actually do a "Good luck on your forthcoming IVF" line of cards.

rabbits Sorry that you are stupidly busy again. How did your GP appointment go?

I've avoided all the recent IVF debate. It just makes me angry. Raising the age limit is all well and good but if you have a PCT that disregards the NICE guidelines then it doesn't make a jot of difference anyway. I just kind of think that the current hoo ha about raising the age limit just gives the impression to the uninformed that IVF is offered to everybody like sweeties and that infertility is no biggie because the barrens just get countless rounds of IVF.

I'm really struggling at this end with the injections. They are making me feel so ill and I have had a constant migraine to varying degrees since starting (peaking yesterday when I couldn't get out of bed all day). I'm pretty worn down by it all already to be honest. Not helped by the continuing curse of sods law that seems to hover over this house which yesterday included falling down the stairs and whacking my poor migrained head off one of the stairs and re-twisting (it's a technical term) my leg and being told that MrP's last sperm sample wasn't processed by the lab because it was handed in too late despite it being deposited well before the times we were told and was written on the blurb we were given
Sorry for the whine. I just keep thinking that it's all jinxed.

aww, pout you poor thing. Best that you stay in bed I think. How many more days of these injections do you have left?

I agree with you that people are under the impression ivf is easy to come by. They also seem to think that ivf is a first step and entered into lightly. I don't think people realise that most of us will have been trying for about 3 years before ivf. Some guy on the radio phone in yesterday was saying that women should try the Billings method instead of ivf. And that it had a better success rate than ivf. I mean none of us have thought of working out when we ovulate have we? Knowing when I ovulate is not going to help DH produce more sperm.

I've got ages on the injections yet. I did suspect that they might play havoc with my migraines but just kind of pushed it to the back of my mind and hoped it would be okay.
I'm being an pathetic old bag and ought to man up & just be grateful. Apologies to those who would kill to have an NHS funded round.

Did somebody really phone in and say that? It's the ignorance that gets me. If somebody has the facts and still believe that IVF shouldn't be funded then fair enough but spouting crap really is the limit.

pout you can moan away on here don't worry about that. My dr asked if I was prone to get headaches because he said headaches are the main side effects of the drugs. I think some of us are more sensitive. I get headaches all the time so I'm dreading it.

That guy was an idiot. He made himself sound a bit stupid, he clearly had no idea about infertility. He was from some pro life group, so no surprise that he had objections to ivf. It did annoy me though that someone could really think that all these people could avoid ivf if only they knew when they were ovulating. euro well done for commenting on the mn thread about the nice guidelines, I read it but I found it too upsetting to comment.

I'm wearing a looseish top today that is a bit swingy at the bottom. Two people have asked if I'm pregnant. Must remember only to wear tight fitting clothes from now on.