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TTC 10+ months Part 13

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buzzybee123 · 04/02/2013 11:56

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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freedom2011 · 19/02/2013 10:03

all right ladies. I went in to check egg progression for IUI mark V yesterday. Nothing doing, Just 5 little eggs looking tired and not like they are going to ripen at all. The dr said I really must take the clomid as waiting for my body to do its thing was taking too long. The word he used most often translates as boring so I was a bit Hmm but looked it up at home and decided he was perhaps meaning lucklustre. I thought it was a bit harsh to say my reproductive bits are boring. It's a bit challenging doing this in another language. I have my 35th a week next sunday, and my first IVF appointment the day after. I am still doing my woo doctor stuff, herbs and tea and warm foot baths and it does seem to be working. I am warmer. So no pregnancy yet, but I'm not cold any more.

freedom2011 · 19/02/2013 10:07

We're also on Lent here so no meat or alcohol for DH until Easter. For me it doesn't make that much difference but I appreciate him not drinking. He's also (TMI alert) being more receptive to my natural insemination approaches now his belly isn't so full.

I agree about the grads sticking around. I would miss the familiar names if you all went off completely.

akuabadoll · 19/02/2013 10:42

freedom Grin at boring eggs. Just before he knocked me out at my first EC the anesthesiologist asked me, in English, if I was an alcoholic. The second time he didn't bother asking Grin
Glad to hear you are all warmed up and getting a good reception. It's got to help Smile

mrsden · 19/02/2013 10:54

Grin at boring ovaries. I don't think mine are hugely exciting either. I can't imagine them being the life and soul of a party. Could he have meant sluggish?

It does make this interesting not doing it in English. I've learnt lots of new vocab items that I doubt I'll ever use in polite company. My ivf dr grew up in London so he likes to speak English with us which makes a nice change. Although, I've had to teach him a few words when he hasn't known the English. I think he's quite impressed with my reproductive terminology.

I agree that the grads should stay for as long as they want to. I understand that the grad thread might be more appropriate though as time goes on but it would be nice if you popped in for a cuppa and chat now and again. Otherwise I might be here all on my ownsome once the BFPs start rolling in.

euro nag mreuro, it's good to have a regular check over now and again, especially if there's a family history of prostate problems. Mrden has had a few prostate exams now and he said they're nothing compared to all the prodding and poking I've had so far.

It's snowing again, sigh. I'm fed up with the cold, it makes getting around so much more difficult and I hate feeling cold which I seem to be all the time at the moment. A Chinese woo Dr would have a fit if they felt my hands and feet.

joy I'm still thinking of you xx

mrsden · 19/02/2013 10:54

what did he mean doll? How did you answer?

akuabadoll · 19/02/2013 11:03

mrsd he meant did I drink alcohol (he also asked if I smoked) so they know what they are dealing with before they knock you out. Under other circumstances I might have said 'not this morning because I'm fasting' but that would had just led to more confusion.
mrsd that big finger is around for you too, you know Smile

mrsden · 19/02/2013 11:56

Grin at alcoholic doll how does your British sense of humour go down there? People here can never work out if I'm being serious or not, cue lots of awkward moments when they take literally something I've said as a joke. I realise now how often British people make jokes but with a serious face and no laughter and I don't think other nationalities get it at all. It's particularly noticeable in medical situations because my reaction to stress and anxiety is to make a joke, but I get these sort of looks Hmm from the nurses and doctors. For example, I said to one nurse "do you like my stockings, I think tI might wear them out on Saturday night because they're so flattering" (they were those surgical stockings), she did this face Hmm then said "Frau Den, they're to prevent blood clots, they're not a fashion item." Err, yes I did realise that.

akuabadoll · 19/02/2013 13:46

Nice one on the stockings mrsd I can imagine. Two examples from here:

Very expensive handmade handbag shop:
Me "how much?"
Assistant: "it's made for kangaroo skin"
Me: "oh really, you know I've ALWAYS wanted a kangaroo skin handbag!"
Assistant: "REALLY?!"
Me: "errr, no"

Little Doll's nursery when he was less than two years:
Teacher (loosely speaking) "does he know you are not his real mother?"
Me: "well I wasn't sure so I've been giving him a book on genetics for an hour before bed each night, now he seems to be putting two and two together.
Teacher: Confused

EuroShagmore · 19/02/2013 14:18

Heh@boring eggs and alcoholcs.

I'm loving the failures to get the British sense of humour. Some foreigners are just so...literal.

free Lent has worked out very well for me. I got my positive confirmed on Ash Wednesday, so that's my non-drinking excuse sorted for a few weeks.

Poutintrout · 19/02/2013 15:01

madness hope that you are feeling a bit brighter today. The drugs are making me a bit all over the place in that department. One moment I'm quite upbeat and then the next it feels like the sky might fall in. We had a bit of ebay bullshittery going on at the weekend and MrP had to literally check & edit what I'd typed in one of my messages because I was literally apoplectic Grin

art I'm so glad that you said you injected only on the right. Me too! I thought I was just being weird. It just seems to hurt more on the other side. Maybe it is a kak handed thing.
It is strange that you and euro feel a bit odd posting on the antenatal threads. It made me a bit sad actually to think that you have kind of missed out on the initial naive excitement of prams and cots. I am sure that will come but it upsets me to think that you haven't had that rush of excitement from the offski.

lemons I hope that your period has eased off. A positive OPK was curious Hmm

doll "Are you an alcoholic?" made me really laugh. freedom I would take the huff if my ovaries were described as boring! As mrsd said sluggish is probably what he mean't. I am sure that they have hidden depths.
Definitely agree mrsd that anxiety and embarrassment make me crack more lame jokes.

Sense of humour is an odd thing to judge and I'm sure that loads of people don't get it when I'm trying to be funny. I'm still cringing at my first (and only) conversation with my neighbour when I was apologising in case the dogs barking bothered them. She was being nice and saying how it was fine and she jokingly said "what would you do if I said it bothered me?" so I told her in a deadpan voice that I would beat the dogs harder. The tumbleweed was excruciating and I hurried indoors feeling like a complete arse Blush

sarlat · 19/02/2013 17:40

Funny comments on here to day about the literal comments, boring ovaries and alcoholic egg collectors. Hee hee.

Madness - thanks for asking after me. Hope you are feeling a little better too.

Lemon-oooo its mean when you think you are upduffed only for the witch to come along and spoil the party. It is really hard to keep up with the speed of change in emotions.

Freedom -good on you for the woo stuff, keep it up. Next week sounds busy, plan something fabulous for your birthday.

Feel a little better now I am cd3 and the hormones are settling. I am marching towards fet with a feeling of doom and it wont work for me ever attitude. So I have booked an extra reflexology session so she can slap it out of me. Also wondering if my corpus leteum cyst is still hanging around. Apparently it takes 2 or 3 monthsfor them to go. My reflexology session really hurt last month when she worked the part corresponding with the left ovary, maybe it was the cyst forming or already there from last month.

Hello to all you lovely ladies.

MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 20:01

Hello lovely ladies. I've been browsing but not buying for the last few days, but you've made me sad and laugh-out-lad happy in equal measure. As always doll your experiences are eyewatering. But "are you an alcoholic?" is truly brilliant Grin.

Sar I am glad you are feeling better but of course there is no reason it won't work. Interesting on your reflexology hurting. Neither reflexology nor acu has ever made me feel anything out of the ordinary, apart from some questionable poo changes Hmm, but that fits with not very much being "wrong" in my case.

Joy I hope you managed to have a nice weekend, with enough distractions to stop it all becoming too upsetting. I am still praying for the big miracle for you, you deserve it so much.

Pout your conversation with the neighbour made me laugh! Sorry about the mood swings, just remember the old MN adage - this too shall pass. It's not for long. And then you'll have your baby :)

Boring ovaries would have had me swinging for the doc freedom. Sheesh! However it does sound like something rather more benign was intended. I definitely have sluggish ovaries. It's fecking annoying and sometimes I literally want to punch myself in the stomach to chivvy them into action.

Positive OPK lemon? Hmm there is something in the water just now it seems. Some weird goings on all round.

So, I had my IVF follow up today. It was with the same consultant I saw before my first cycle, who I really liked (night and day compared to the arrogant dickhead I saw at the first clinic, that originally tested my AMH). Essentially he said that the fact that I got to 2 seemingly good quality embryos was really good, he asked if I felt that I had an outcome pretty much as expected, which I did - ie 3 eggs, 2 embryos transferred. We agreed it was as good a result as we could have reasonably hoped for, obviously without the BFP, so that there was no reason to think we should not go again if we want to. MrN asked if by the time we got to embryo stage we had overcome the AMH issue, and he said essentially yes. That there was a small school of thought that it might still have an impact on success, but the general consensus was if you have a good embryo it's mainly irrelevant how you got there.

We have decided not to do the norethisterone this time, which I suspect may have had an issue with my slow start. This is because I spotted for 5 days after I'd normally have expected my period to stop. So I will just start at the beginning of my cycle. As we talked about it, he said "presumably you had the higher dose of FSH for the first couple of days". Eh...no Angry. So looks like I missed out on a potential boost that might have helped. He did look surprised at this so is going to recommend it this time. We've decided there is a high chance we'll do Assisted Hatching as well. So I could either start immediately (as in, as soon as my period arrives which will be in about 2 and a half week) or next cycle. Our initial thought is wait one more month as neither of my post IVF cycles have been quite normal; so give nature another couple of chances.

The only thing we "disagreed" on was progesterone. In flare you get an HCG injection 7 days post EC which makes your body produce more progesterone. However I wonder if this is where my problem lies as I do tend to get a real dip in mood about 7DPO each month. I think my progesterone drops too soon, so am wondering how I'd get hold of extra fanny candles Wink.

Sorry for lack of catch up followed by long boring me post. I always find it useful to post here though, for the record! I've decided not to do acu as I spent quite a lot and felt no impact. It also added to the stress of trying to get to appointments. I'll cut down my booze but not cut it out completely. I've cut down caffeine though, as I have no spare cash for lattes Shock.

Hope tent dwellers, diffed, and those waiting patiently in line are all doing well.

EuroShagmore · 19/02/2013 20:18

nelly does that mean you don't get progesterone at all? That seems daft as, as far as I can tell, it is pretty cheap and can only help. They are the kind of thing people are often left with spares of.... Just saying...

pout the dogbeater. I'll remember that. Wink

I'm glad you are feeling better, pout.

MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 20:52

Yes , no progesterone. Clear as mud??! Basically on the flare you get the HCG injection instead, 7 days after EC, which makes your body produce its own. I was told this was actually the better way, but in better responders it would increase the chance of OHSS quite significantly.

Yup, I did think I'd just quietly mention it on here, and see what happened. You know, in a PM kind of way Wink. I would feel better if I was shoving it up me rather than relying on my body to make it. cos you know, my body is a bit of a let down in the whole reproductive process.

MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 20:54

Sorry that really wasn't clear. What I meant to say was, they would ideally give everyone the HCG injection rather than the cyclogest, but it would actually overactivate the hormones in most people, hence why they don't do it. So it's technically better than fanny candles - but my point that I probably didn't make well enough to the doctor is that I suspect my body doesn't do it properly on it's own, so why would it do it properly just because of the injection?

buzzybee123 · 19/02/2013 20:56

nelly I have several boxes of cyclogest that I am happy to share

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MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 21:03

Grin. But ... several boxes. EEK!

Thanks Buzzy. I will PM you.

Ah the wonders of the internet.

mrsden · 19/02/2013 21:08

Love all this fanny candle dealing Grin

That's good you had the nice dr nelly. Will you be joining our spring ivf hand holding club then? Tis very exclusive.

I'm still half in the tent. Feeling meh, not sure if it's ttc or other life stuff getting me down. I'm hoping this is a short term blip.

EuroShagmore · 19/02/2013 21:10

I have three very expensive gonal F pens sitting in my fridge. If we get past 12 weeks, I will want to get rid... They go out of date in September. Just saying...

mrsden · 19/02/2013 21:14

Are they pre loaded at a certain dose euro?

We should set up an auction site.

Just tortured myself looking at photos of k-mids (barely) visible bump on daily fail site. There was also a story about the married one from ant and dec, don't know if it's ant or dec? Anyway, he said they're having problems ttc. Now, I'm wondering which one of you are mrsant/dec because she must be on this thread, its the place to be.

MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 21:31

Oh Euro I would definitely be interested in the pens. Are they the 900? We can definitely deal! Last time I had to buy another 900 and a 450 towards the end, but got lucky that one had been handed back so I got that for free. Would probably say to the clinic I'll buy the minimum from them then maybe stock up at a reduced rate from Euro Wink

MrsDen yes - will either start in 2 weeks or about 6. I like the sound of our club :) I am sure it will just be a short term blip. I found starting IVF gave me a boost as I felt like I was doing something positive. I'm a little bit weary about the thought of going again, but just because I wish I was already pregnant.

MuddyWellyNelly · 19/02/2013 21:32

Step away from the Daily Fail MrsDen. You know better than that by now surely Shock. It is the devils work. Anyway K-mid is plastic and moulded, remember, so probably isn't really pregnant.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 20/02/2013 07:52

Morning lovelies!

You conversation from yesterday made me chuckle. I am so glad to know you're not an alcoholic doll. Even though I find asking you at the point of egg retrieval a little late. Sorry you have boring eggs freedom! I have the opposite, most of the time, rushy eggs and I always have to convince the clinic to let me come in a for a early enough scan when stimming. Six days of stabbing has been plenty for me and their standard is first scan after a week. I am back on the stabbing wagon for one last try at IUI before fab holidays (when half of you will be cycling). Will there be anyone left to hand hold and join me by June?

Glad the consultant was happy overall by your cycle nelly. But grrr at the suboptimal bits (including the negative at the end!)

How are you doing pout? You made me chuckle, you old dog beater! Even if the friendly neighbour distinctly lacked a sense of humour!

Mrsd daily fail photos are only suitable for making one feel better (because you're not trash getting divorced, drunk in public etc) not to glare at mini-bumps. Middy panic has been and gone. Breath, it will be your time soon.

Grin at the roaring trade on here. I might have some spare vials of menopur because I bloody hate that stuff. But not very much. As I stim quite quickly we got our gonal-f in three pens this time (of 300 each) because I had to open one of those hideously expensive 900 pens and then have nearly half left in it by the end of the IUI (and then had a cycle off to ensure we had to bin about 200 pounds worth of the stuff).

mrsden · 20/02/2013 08:55

Daily fail is my guilty secret Smile
I'm listening to radio 5live over the Internet and they're about to discuss whether women over 40 should get ivf on the nhs. I suspect it might make me a little cross. How many are going to say "nhs shouldn't be funding ivf at all"

GinSoaked · 20/02/2013 09:14

Just popping in quickly, will do proper post later, but mrsd don't listen! I just read the Groniad article about ivf and the nice guidelines, which was fine, if a little confused in places, but the comments have left me seething! It's the whole besh thing all over again. Apparently we only need ivf cos we've left having babies until we are far too old and need to learn we can't always get what we want. FFS. No acknowledgment the infertility is a medical condition and that it can be due to the male partner or an actual undiagnosed condition, that the drs can't diagnose as there's not enough research leaving people with the unexplained explanation. I feel like writing to the Guardian and asking them to take down the comments as they are offensive and upsetting.

Right, deep breath. I will not let it put me in a bad mood for the day I'll leave it to pmt to do that

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