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Elderberry Pavlovas And The Eternal Sausage of Wang (Part 4): a frightfully good thread for the over-30s TTC their first baby.

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viviennewestwould · 25/01/2013 18:58

Over here, sausage-wangers!

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Pipbin · 21/02/2013 23:23

We went in holiday and I was convinced I would come back pg, no such luck!
7 DPO here, but we haven't tried at all this month as there seems so little point.

Aquarius1 · 22/02/2013 08:08

Crikey I missed a lot! Can't believe we'll be needing a new thread soon already...

Welcome Kerry Grin what cycle day are you- are you taking this month off to recover from the lap or carrying on? I'm cd 17... anyone wanna be cycle buddies???

Bunnygirlie · 22/02/2013 08:28

Thanks boodle surgery is to fix hole which caused strokes a few years ago which was scary when she is only in her late 30s!

Well we have set the wheels in motion... Hubby is booked in for his jizz test week after next and I have spoken to my doctor and i need to get myself booked in for blood tests on cycle day 3 and day 24! Just worried thatched witch will come over the weekend and I won't be able to call docs!

Thunderbuns · 22/02/2013 08:54

Thank you for the IUI explanation, I think I get the idea now!

Cd1 here. OH announces he has agreed to go and work away for a few days 'the week after next'. FFS.

navis176 · 22/02/2013 10:33

blimey, you guys were chatty last night!! I go out for an evening and the thread goes crazy...

aquarius - only cd10 here, so have the joys of the 2ww yet to come...and will have to lure oh into bed (or somewhere else) sometime later....

happylass · 22/02/2013 10:43

Quick question. Have had cd21 bloods which were all fine. But wasn't offered the cd3 bloods which I've heard talk of. What are these for and why haven't I had them?? Confused

Boodle9 · 22/02/2013 12:50

Thunder, I feel your pain! As I've already moaned several times , my DH is away for the next cycle too. We are both hoping for an actual, real Immaculate Conception (and not just one that comes about through minimal shagging)!

Happy, the first time I went to the doctors, I was just given cd21 tests, which flagged up slightly low thyroid and to repeat in 3 months.

It was only when I returned (to a new surgery, having moved house in the interim) that I was also told to book cd3 tests. Did you actually go to your doctor to get the results or did you just ring up for them?

If you just rang up then I would get an appointment booked in to discuss the results in more detail -as in a 'What next?' appointment, then you can just casually ask whether you should book in for cd3 tests to check your FSH levels!

If you already went to discuss your cd21 tests face-to-face...well, urrrrm....you probably need to do the above, but a bit more sheepishly! Baaaa! (Wish there was a sheep emoticon.)

CaptainMollingtonCholmondeley · 22/02/2013 12:52

Happy - funny old nhs! I had the cd2/3 bloods first, then the cd21 ages after!
If I remember right, cd21 checks progesterone levels to see if you've ovulated. Cd2/3 checks a bunch of other hormones that can tell if the other end of your cycle is functioning properly, but in my case the gp just tested for everything she could - thyroid, liver functions, cholesterol, diabetes - the works. The pg specific test was possibly Luteinising Hormone..

You should ask for it anyway.

Hopefully the other pavolvas will be more helpful and better at remembering though!

happylass · 22/02/2013 13:07

I went to my GP for an initial chat about the lack of BFP and she sent me for the cd21 test. This was during cycle 6. Had the result over the phone from the doctor and it was 47 so all good. The agreement when I left the surgery was that if the cd21 test was fine then I'd give it another few months then go back and she'd refer a few months early. Maybe I get the cd3 test then Hmm

Boodle9 · 22/02/2013 13:21

www.advancedfertility.com/day3fsh.htm

You might find this useful to read if you decide to ask for the cd3 test. It's difficult isn't it, because you feel like you're going to put their back up by asking. However, you're the one who has to wait for a few months if you don't!

If she's saying that when you do go back, she will refer you, then I don't see the problem with asking for the cd 3 tests now. I had to have them before I could be referred.

God, don't you wish there was just a universally agreed protocol!? That would make things A LOT easier!

twinklestar2 · 22/02/2013 13:25

I havent had the cd3 test either, only the cd21 one which tested for about 14 different things - thyroid, red blood count, etc. Everything was fine which is maybe why I didnt get offered the CD3 test?

Bunnygirlie · 22/02/2013 13:56

Hmmmm I'm sure she said CD24 to me but you all mention 21 - maybe I need to check!

Having tummy pains this morn so I am sure AF is going to come early this weekend and then I'll miss my CD3 test!

Boodle9 · 22/02/2013 14:07

Oh, just clocked that, Bunny! The idea of the cd21 tests is that they are 7 days after you ovulate to check your progesterone levels. Now, I have NEVER ovulated on cd14, which straight away reduces the effectiveness of that particular test. I did ask my doctor whether I should have it on cd21 or to book it for 7 days after I ovulate. He (t'was my old doc) looked at me like I was ridiculous and said 'day 21, like I told you'...what a charmer, eh?

I SHOULD have had mine on cd24, based on the fact that I usually ovulate on cd17.

All of this (being typically Boodle) is probably of no help to you, but I guess what I'm saying is yes, you probably should check, but also be aware of why cd21 is considered to be 'the day' and that, in fact, it might not be best day for you.

twinklestar2 · 22/02/2013 15:28

Yes, what Boodle said. It's 7 days after you usually OV. I had mine CD23 or 24. In fact, I dont even think it needs to be 7 days after you ov, it just needs to be after you OV. Perhaps they think doing it on CD21 would cover most people. I may be wrong though?

Boodle9 · 22/02/2013 15:45

Ah, now I was under the impression that the day was sort of important - they want to get you in the middle of your luteal phase as that is when progesterone should be peaking and indicating ovulation (or indeed, lack of). I thought that if they test too early or too late it might be rising/falling.

I did find this on a New Zealand fertility associates website:

Why Day 21?

This day is chosen on the assumption that the women are having a 26-30 day cycle, and luteal phase is normal and lasts about 10-14 days after ovulation. Thus, assuming ovulation is between Days 12-16 , Day 21 is the middle of the luteal phase when the production of progesterone from the corpus luteum gland peaks in an ovulatory cycle (and if there was then pregnancy, the HCG would prevent the corpus luteum from then dying and it would produce even more progesterone). If ovulation has occurred later than Days 12 ? 16, then the progesterone check would be better done a few days later so as to strike the middle of the luteal phase. Conversely, if ovulation has occurred earlier than Day 12, an earlier progesterone test at about Day 18 is required.

Progesterone levels should be interpreted with respect to the number of days before the onset of the next period. Luteal function ( and hence ovulation) cannot be assumed if the period starts < 5 days later or > 9 days after the blood test.

Possible interpretation of results assuming the test is properly timed are:

1. Progesterone > 30nmol/l ? ovulation has occurred and the corpus luteum is producing sufficient progesterone to induce adequate secretory changes in the endometrium to assist implantation.
2. Progesterone 3-30 nmol/l ? ovulation has occurred > 10 days ago or < 5 days ago, or if ovulation did occurr 5-10 days ago, the level is probably not adequate to sustain endometrial growth for satisfactory implantation.
3. Progesterone >120 nmol/l ? two or more follicles have been recruited.
4. Progesterone < 3nmol/l ? no ovulation in previous 14 days.

CaptainMollingtonCholmondeley · 22/02/2013 16:21

My cd21 test was joke as I was actually OV'ing on cd21. My LP is only 9 days. You wouldn't believe how long it took to get this fact through to the gynaecologist..

happylass · 22/02/2013 16:28

Yes I actually had my test on cd19 as I have a 26 day cycle. Only said cd21 so everyone would know what I meant!

Pipbin · 22/02/2013 17:38

I had my day 21 test done on about day 28. The way my GP explained it too me was that it needs to be 7 days before AF.

Anyway, we got all signed up for IVP today. I have to have blood tests done again! And DH has to be tested for HIV. I also had a chlamydia test done.

I get to choose where I go, but it's going to be one of the Bourn Hall clinics. Although I'd love to go to Cambridge, Colchester is much closer.
So after they have the blood test results they will refer us. She seemed to think that the whole process will start in the summer.
www.bourn-hall-clinic.co.uk

h313n · 22/02/2013 18:13

I told the GP that I had irregular cycles and she sent me for the CD2 test and CD21 test and told me to book in one on CD28 that I should attend if I hadn't had AF by then.

Bunnygirlie · 22/02/2013 19:12

Ah Crikey how confusing! My cycles since I came off pill a year ago have ranged from 28-36days so ave 31 days. The two months I did ov tests I got a positive on day 14 and 18 so that's really no help is it?!?

Bunnygirlie · 22/02/2013 19:14

What is IVP pipkin?

Fairydogmother · 22/02/2013 22:12

Serious cramp pains tonight and still a week to period. Praying its not a bad sign x

Pipbin · 22/02/2013 22:15

IVP is me miss-typing IVF !

Boodle9 · 22/02/2013 22:24

Sad-sack that I am, I just googled IVP! Seems like there is something called IVP but it appears to be linked to breeding cattle...I'd be worried (and a bit offended) if that's what they were sending you for, Pip!

Boooo to having to have all your bloods done again but excellent that your ball is well and truly rolling! Bring on the summer for you!

Fairy, hopefully the cramping is a good thing, but I can't possibly comment further as I think that might cross the border into symptom-spotting land, and we must not speak of symptom spotting!

happylass · 22/02/2013 22:50

DP has just informed me he is working away next weekend and its OV time humph Angry

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