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TTC 10+ months, Part 11

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buzzybee123 · 05/11/2012 19:55

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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buzzybee123 · 16/11/2012 17:13

nelly just done a quick google and there are natural things you could try but as time is of the essence I think it would be worth asking about something like HRT, they gave me progynova to help thicken up my lining, you usually take it from around day 3 so that could help,

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Cosmos1 · 16/11/2012 17:54

Nelly massive hugs. There are so many different protocols and drugs, and amounts of drugs - there's always something different to try. Can they up your dosage? Are they suggesting a different protocol another time? Always worth a second opinion if possible?

Frannieannie · 16/11/2012 18:17

Oh nelly, I'm so sorry for your arsehole of a day. Have they given you any advice about how you can increase oestrogen levels? Please don't feel like you've failed. Please. You've absolutely not and that emotion is so destructive. This is a blip.

Poutintrout · 16/11/2012 18:32

Quick one from me just to say happy birthday artemis and well done on today.

doll rooting for you.

nelly Oh FFS...I am sorry that this uncertainty has been thrown into the mix. I am thinking of you and keeping everything crossed that the cycle is not derailed.

Sorry for not namechecking. I will come back and catch up properly.

akuabadoll · 16/11/2012 18:41

nelly you must really be hurting, I don't want to throw in ill educated rubbish but in addition to the comments I've already made I want to note that I'm taking oestrogen as well as progesterone post EC. Looking this up this evening I note that it's also used throughout the cycle in many cases.
You are absolutely right to continue for now and see the situation on Monday.

CritterPants · 16/11/2012 19:00

nelly hon - my estradiol (the type of oestrogen that they test) was really low for ages when I was stimming, and then shot up. What dose of stims are they giving you? I am so sorry you're having to worry about this, massive hug, it sounds incredibly stressful.

MuddyWellyNelly · 16/11/2012 19:14

Oh you wonderful amazing ladies. I came home, bawled my eyes out on MrNs shoulder, dealt with my hobbles, composed myself then read what you all wrote and have tears streaming down my face again, but in a kind of good way. I never even thought of asking if we could supplement the oestrogen. Haven't talked other options yet. But if still crap on Monday I will ask about the HRT etc. and Critter especially thanks for telling me that. It's a tiny glimmer of hope on an otherwise shit day. I have no idea how I would get through this without you. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

I am off out to see Skyfall in a bit. No babies in it, I hope? Sad.

MuddyWellyNelly · 16/11/2012 19:15

Also I'm on 225 gonal f. They say for my size that's enough.

MuddyWellyNelly · 16/11/2012 19:21

God I've been such a thread hogger. Huge congrats to MrsMellow on the bean in the right place, and to Heart. And Doll and Art and Gin are all being so stoic whilst I noisily fall apart Blush.

Onwards and upwards. I will fight the good fight. Smile

rabbitonthemoon · 16/11/2012 19:22

There's no babies in Skyfall nelly! It will take your mind off it for two and a half hours. And I really liked it. But I do like a bit of Craig. We're all here for you.

GinSoaked · 16/11/2012 19:22

Oh nellie I can't believe they were thinking of cancelling the cycle. At create, 4 would be a bloody good result. I was told to eat lots of protein and drink lots of water for follicle and womb lining development. My e2 levels (which is what I assume they mean by oestrogen) were 'nice and low' to start with, but then as you know were sky high by day 10, putting me at high ohss risk. I was terrifed they were going to cancel the cycle then. Dr doom and gloom said my follicles were developing slowly at the 3rd scan, but I can't have done more than 9/10 days of stims. Anyway big hugs. Things can change massively in the space of a few days, so please don't give up.

Happy birthday artemis! Oddly critter I was thinking of Romulus and Remus for art's twins. I'm so pleased all went well. Take it easy this weekend and I hope you have some birthday treats lined up. We can start to symptom swap!

Yay for the now Beirut 4 doll. God, your EC sounded bloody brutal, although at least you didn't have any secret arse bullets! So they won't let you know how fertilisation goes?? Great that they are mature eggs and look good.

rabbit so pleased you're feeling better. And Grin at the rabbit hangover and that he likes cheese. Apparently our guinea pig is sulking with Dave cos he went to the pub last night!

sar hope you are hanging in there and feeling ok. The last thing you need is work stress. Can't believe they are being such bastards about your leaving date and annual leave. I'm sure they can't make you stay longer than your leave notice period.

mellow I'm delighted to hear that the scan went well! Yay!

Waves to buzzy, joy, critter, pout, cosmos and everyone else.

The weight thing is interesting but I do feel like you can't win -everyone's either too fat or too thin. I just checked and my bmi is 21.5 (using my 1st thing in the morning, no clothes skinny weight!). It's never been mentioned to me as an issue. Gawd, if only my weight went to my boobs, I might actually have some boobs! I'd like to be a few pounds lighter ie have no tummy, but like food too much and am too lazy to exercise.

I appear to have pmt/progesterone emotions today. I wanted to fight an old lady who stole my seat in a cafe Blush, but also feel a bit tearful. I need to get myself some of doll's zen!

GinSoaked · 16/11/2012 19:32

And to improve my mood fucking pregnant Ferne Cotton is on tv. Just piss off glowing pregnant celebs.

sarlat · 16/11/2012 19:50

Boody hell - busy here tonight my lovelies.

Nelly - my follie count and size looked very poor at my first scan. I agree, you may need an increased dose. 225 doesn't sound that much - I had loads more stim drugs than that and my BMI is about 21.5. I say keep going despite the recent phone call. Like Art I don't know much about what low oestorgen means but you DO ovulate and the advise others have given sounds great! You are not menapausal and I think there is still chances and time. I bet you are a slow grower. But I am really really thinking of you. I am with you every step of the way. And if they didn't get a good look at both ovaries at scan then there may be follies playing hide and seek. I agree with Rabbit -that woman has poor bedside manner! It's her job to be informed about you and not instigate silly panic. Oh sweetheart - what a crappy day. When my stimming was going badly and I was told I was in ovarian decline Angry I had emergency acupuncture which in my opinion did help. Can you get in anywhere quick for 2 - 3 sessions? No babies in skyfall - get a supersize bag of maltersers!

Heart - hooray, I am thrilled that the recent scan went well. Just goes to show that symptoms are not essential. I say go join the antenatal thread and enjoy your very special pregnancy!

Mellow - what a relief. That is such great news about your scan. Good luck for the next one but in the mean time, relax a little if you can.

Buzz and Euro - thank you so much for the job advice.

Joy - In relation to the op - I would prefer to have my op under current workplace. But new emlployer want me asap and being arsey about it. So start date is as soon as it can be. This means in all likelyhood I will be working with new employers for 2 weeks and then going off for the op. Not ideal at all. But I have told them about the gynae issues. And I simply can't do anymore to make the universe spin they way I want it. I am 10 dpo today. Although I am still a little heavy and bloated, no way am I preggo. I'm already on the Wine. I usually drink plenty of water but maybe not enough just lately. The antibiotics period sounds amazing! Wow - this is starting to feel like something might just happen.

Art - I know what you mean about the scanner being uncomfy when pressed on the bladder - I thought I was going to squirt wee in to the Dr's eye. I bet people have you know Grin. Happy Birthday and extra slices of birthday cake sounds perfect. The transfer sounded like it went well. Embryos at that stage have every chance - do not worry one jot about how they were graded - no one knows what will happen next. I can very much recommend the new magnum chocolate icecream which comes in a tub to help with the extra layer. Grin

Gin - grumbles are a normal part of progesterone support and no bearing on how gordon and saphire are getting on. Please don't worry, they have a really good chance. Try and keep yourself busy for a few more days. Sorry for the angry fighty mood - not your fault. It;'s Romulus' and Remis' fault.

Rabbit - hooray for shooting. "Run rabbit run rabbit run run run, don't let the farmer catch you with his gun." The 2 year mark isn't easy. It is tough. And I just want to give you a big squeezy hug. 2 years doesn't change your odds - please keep remember your recent BFP!!!!!!!! It will happen again sweetheart.

O my Lord - doll - what a crazy situation. Not even a glass of water - wanking in the toilet - chilly fanjo - throwing up - Shock. But wow wow wow at 4 beautiful eggs. Every chance they will fertilse beautifully. Ooo well done honey. Make sure you rest and are kind to yourself over the weekend. Let us know what the embryologist's say.

Hello to Buzz, Critter, Pout, Euro, and everyone.

Work crap update - I met with big boss today who told me I was leaving our service 'under strain' as there was no cover for hospital service when I leave. Confused. She told me she was rejecting my resignation Shock Shock. I protested that I could leave as long as contractual leave notice was fulfilled (thanks Euro) and I said my leave date WAS carefully planned around the service needs as well as my own needs and I had delayed the new job start already to help out over the busy christmas period. Big boss then checked the annual leave register and realised that my line manager (who had put this whole issue forward) was the only one in the team on leave that week. Therefore cover can be sorted, with out any huge problems. I then received THE BIGGEST apology ever from big boss. She was very cross that my line manager had basically "spun her a yarn" as she put it about how much stress the service would be under if I left. They were actually looking in to legally blocking me resigning based on the made up shit little boss had been spouting Confused don't know how they would have done that although front line hospital staff can be accused of bed blocking if they don't do their jobs properly which can become a legal issue - hell I don't know. Now I have every blessing to leave on 14th Jan with a week of annual leave before (which will help me sort my head) Grin. Big boss was really nice and very embarressed that she had acted in the way she did - but it wasn't really her fault, little boss has ben talking crapola - she may have issues me thinks.

I am still in the tent. Sad I am still a bit windy. Blush This has been a weird cycle. But I am having temporary respite from all the shit. Just had some supermarket ready made roast chicken with ready made carrot and potato mash followed by magnum icreacream from a tub and lots of rioja! Grin. Ah - that's better. The BMI thing is intersting. I think mine might be 21.5 ish too Gin but last year and prior to that it was likely around the 20 or 20.5 mark - very interesting.

akuabadoll · 16/11/2012 19:54

It's not zen gin honest. I guess I'm going to find out how fertilization goes by showing up for the ET. I know, I know. You they will bother to call me if there's nothing to transfer?

I forgot to comment on artemis and the cuckoo baby comment and was it madness and the Chinese baby? Being in the city of chaos and in the hospital that lost my mammogram results and didn't tell me, I'm feeling nice and chilled bout that angle. Let's put it this way, was a bit jealous of your hospital bracelet art . I had useless surgery on my right foot a few years back in NYC. I wrote in felt tip pen over my left foot 'WRONG FOOT'. I couldn't think of a workable version for this morning.

akuabadoll · 16/11/2012 20:04

X-post sar mmm bad bad little boss, people are such shits aren't they? I've had a horrid work thing happen to me this week (long story). I just hate it. Some of the biggest stresses in my life have been caused by bullshit in the workplace. So glad things got cleared up for you. It shouldn't have happened at all.

Cosmos1 · 16/11/2012 20:09

Nelly I do hope you're ok. Don't give up hope just yet.

Art happy birthday and well done on getting through the transfer. Hope you manage to have a lovely relaxing weekend, and indeed next 2 weeks. I am liking Tom and Jerry, hope they are chasing each other round in there! Am keeping everything crossed for you.

Doll I did enjoy your description of your EC day. You are very funny, and also have balls of steel. Another scene for 'Doll - the movie'. I am thinking of the Beirut 4 getting it on under a discoball to some lebanese barry white - sure they're having a great time. Fingers crossed for you, keep us posted.

Gin your emotional changes are a good sign, it's a tough old game isn't it, keep going not long now till you find out. When is test day? Thinking of you. Attacking old ladies perfectly acceptable under the circumstances.

Rabbit so glad you are feeling more like yourself. Re the weight thing I can't help much I'm afraid I am the opposite type in that if I lose concentration I find I have finished the jar / eaten DH's share / have eaten so much started to feel sick etc. Since stopping the gluten though I definitely have lost some weight. 43 is a lot of New Years resolutions! I normally make 3 so will have to up the ante this year!

Critter you're always so chirpy. I loved your description of you being an over sharer and ratelling around like a raccoon in the trash. DH always calls me a 'basher'. As in 'oops another little bash on the car / iPad' Wink. Oh and I LOVE that Adam sander movie! It's up there with The Anchorman!!

Mellow and Heart great news - so good to have reminders of what comes next!

Buzzy I am still umming and ahhing about the life coach. How did you find yours? Maybe something for my New Years list.

Joy that is sooooo interesting to me about your af just stopping. I went to see the infections guy you did today - thanks so much for the recommendation. He was very nice and at pains not to get my hopes up, but he said I had a surprisingly high amount of inflammation of the cervix - at the upper end of the spectrum in his words, and has prescribed more anti-bs for both of us. I still get so much spotting between af's. last cycle 12 days in addition to normal af days. How's Roy doing? DH has been quite glum about everything this week which is so unlike him.

Euro the infections guy I saw today recommended his colleague from the doctors laboratory for additional sperm tests like fragmentation and oxidisation (?) - think we will investigate so will report back.

Big waves to Sar and Pout and MrsD and anyone else I missed.

Finally on the subject of telly, anyone else getting ridiculously excited about The Killing series 3 starting this weekend? I am slightly in love with Sarah Lund.

buzzybee123 · 16/11/2012 20:34

sar I'm so bloody furious Angry Angry what a load of fucking shite. Your big boss is just as much at fault as your line manager as she should have checked the facts were correct in the first place!!!! How dare the both of them make you feel guilty for putting the service under strain, I'd go ape shit if my boss or manager said that to me, its a load of bollocks!!! It is there job that they get paid for to manage staffing issues and to make sure there is enough cover for the service not yours.
No offence but no one is indispensable are they, and if the whole service is going to go belly up without you it doesn't say much for the rest of the team you work in. Don't even get me started with the bed blocking.................
Anyway rant over, I'm glad you have worked things out

doll Grin at the wrong foot

nelly enjoy the film, have some yummy treats for me

gin big hugs and lots of zen vibes coming your way

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mrsden · 16/11/2012 20:41

There is so much to catch up on today, I've already forgotten most of what I want to say.

First off, nelly please don't despair yet. So much can change between scans, that talk of abandoning the cycle seems premature to me. Even if they only get one egg, then that is one egg that they can fertilise directly and as we always say, it only takes one! I know it's scary though, I'm sending you massive hugs.

doll your description of ec made me chuckle, although I'm sure it wasn't funny for you at the time. I'm so pleased the Beirut four are freed and doing their thing. Did they go for ICSI in the end?

artemis well done on getting this far. It's just the waiting now. How do you feel about twins? The weight thing is really interesting. I'm also at the low end of healthy BMI. I had been trying to eat more but it doesn't seem to have much effect on me. I met up with a friend I hadn't seen for a month or so and the first thing she said was "have you been ill? You look so thin." She didn't mean it as a compliment and she mentioned my weight several more times over the course of our dinner. I hadn't noticed that I'd lost weight so now I'm worrying. This same friend also told me she's been ttc for 3 months as is fed up it's taking so long, sigh. I almost spat my coffee out. I've decided she is not the person for me to confide in about ttc so I acted all ignorant about it all. I suspect she'll be pregnant by christmas. She did tell a story about a colleague who had been trying for 9 years, then went to the Dr complaining of food poisoning only to be told she was 2 months pregnant. I do like those stories.

I'm sorry not to name check but DH has just come in and is wanting attention. Waves to everyone.

mrsden · 16/11/2012 20:43

sar totally agree with what buzzy has written. It is not your job to worry about staffing cover, that's what they're paid to do. Sounds like very poor succession planning to me, no one is going to be there forever and they should be ready for this.

buzzybee123 · 16/11/2012 21:14

ooooh just found out my ex husband has used my boy name Shock what a cheek!!

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rabbitonthemoon · 16/11/2012 21:23

Noooo buzzy that's Shock you ok?

buzzybee123 · 16/11/2012 21:28

yeah I think its kind of funny, its their 3rd boy and I'm sure if the new wife knew it was my name she wouldn't have used it as she is not keen on meWink

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EuroShagmore · 17/11/2012 08:38

sarlat I am glad your leave date has been sorted. I can't believe they were trying to prevent you leaving after your notice period. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have got far with that one.... And hurrah you get some leave too.

I've just been staffed on a new case. I badly needed something new and interesting, so this is good. However, it involves a trip to Korea, which is currently planned to take place.... during my holiday. At the moment, I am taking the view that it will all work itself out.... The trip might be postponed to the week after, which would be better, but would basically mean I fly back to the Maldives and a couple of days later fly to Korea.... Argh, time zone hell. I haven't told Mr Euro yet.

cosmos I look forward to hearing more about your investigations. I'm going to get the Greek tests done when my period arrives, then probably go back to Gorgy.

Cheeky fecker, buzz. My first boyfriend used my boy's name when he had a child. And then one of my closest friends used it for his firstborn. So it's definitely out now!

BTW, is anyone else slightly addicted to this link that is doing the rounds? (It's ok, not porn or anything!) kittycam

GinSoaked · 17/11/2012 09:08

Kitten porn euro Grin. Argh I might now be addicted too. Hope Dave doesn't catch me watching it...

buzzy did your ex know that was your boy name? If so, what a twat!

sar I'm so pleased your employees have finally seen sense. Wow, what a mess. Your little boss sounds mean.

Your friend sounds nice mrsd, commenting on your weight like that. When younger, I used to be really really skinny and people felt they could just comment on it. I hated it and no amount of eating seemed to change it . People rarely comment on people being fat, but think you're fair game if skinny. And she doesn't sound like the one to confide in...

cosmos your investigations sound interesting. Are you still feeling zen about stuff? We've not watched the killing, but suspect we'd love it and the Lund.

nellie hope bond was a good distraction and you feel better.

doll and artemis hope you are both ok today.

Right I need to get up and stop menkuling over non existent symptoms!

Frannieannie · 17/11/2012 09:55

buzzy I can't believe the cheek of it. Hope that every time he says his son's name he thinks of you Wink.

sar so glad that you came out on top and that your little boss has been revealed as the snivelling little rat she is (I have a slightly OTT dislike for this person that I don't know). Hope you're feeling totally self righteous now! GL for the job move/ op combo.

euro wow sounds like an exciting few weeks. Is this all before Christmas?

dollthat is an IVF story and a half! Great news that they got 4. You are the most laid back person I've ever 'met'.

art glad all went well. Fingers crossed for Rom and Rem. I would have been the same about freezing the other embies after all the work put in. Hope you have chance to celebrate your birthday properly when youre feeling up to it. It's interesting about the weight debate, rabbit. I am definitely at the top end of 'normal' and have am still beating myself up about whether that is why I have struggled. In my clinic you see the full range though- very slim to much bigger than me. Who knows? But an excuse to indulge over Xmas sounds good to me Smile

nelly how are you feeling today? I was thinking about you last night. On the day of my last IUI I was chatting to the nurse about how I only ever get 1 follie that gets anywhere near and how worried I was about it etc. She was buzzing because that morning they had pregnancy scanned someone that morning who was on her first round of ivf and had been stimming for weeks (wish I could remember exact time) and produced a grand total of 1 embie but it worked on that 1. She said they were already talking amongst themselves about how they would adapt her treatment for round 2 when they lady called with her BFP! She said that even in the most challenging circumstances she had seen it work. Don't give up hope. Xx

heart and mellow so, so pleased that the scans went well. Such a terrifying waiting game but it's another massive hurdle jumped.

joy that's interesting about the antibs changing your period and I meant to say a few days ago that your 28 day cycle is great news. Sounds like your body has had a bit of a rewire. Fx this leads to the desired goal- bloody soon!

gin how are you feeling? What dpo (can't remember how else they refer to it in IVF speak) are you on?

lemon I'm worried about you- are you ok?

mrsd you're right, that particular friend doesn't sound like the best one to confide in. Cheeky moo. Do try to find the right person though. I genuinely think it has helped me enormously.

Phew- massive post and have still missed some. Waves to critter, freedom and anyone missed.

Yesterday we had our scan, all seems fine at 6+5 and we could see a heartbeat. There's still a long way to go but my mind has been put to rest, for a few days at least! I think I might tentatively join the (very quiet) grads thread which I may manage to keep up with more successfully Not sure about the rest of MN though, think I'd rather read! I will still be lurking here if that's ok, we are doing well with some hard won BFPs of late, I'm sure we'll get lots more and we will ALL end up on the grads board.
Thank you for the hand-holding, particularly recently with my nephew. Lots of love xxxx