Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Conception

When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

Just Shagging - JSers roll up for fred 12

999 replies

Kittenkatzen · 01/11/2012 14:03

Oh, the other fred filled up all of a sudden! Oh well here's a new one....(horse feel free to replace if you want to be fred starter, just didn't want everyone in limbo!)

Fred rules;

  1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
  2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
  3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
  4. Thou shalt share Wine and Brew with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo;

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.
Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.
Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce in other posters).
Viroid = This is you, dear poster. The reason for this is a closely guarded secret, known only to....er....well, nobody as far as we can tell!
POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit).
Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.
Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

The link to Part 11 is [[http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1553148-Just-Shagging-The-lazy-TTCers-heaven-this-is-Shaggers-Corner-Part-11 here]

The link to the latest grads thread is here

Happy shagging shaggers :o

OP posts:
DingDongBelle · 19/12/2012 07:43

Is a full flower your ov day? We'll be testing around the same time. I think TenTon is around then too? Anyone else?

DingDongBelle · 19/12/2012 07:44

Ps yes, you should be fine. Every other day is generally reccomended so I'd get it done tonight too if you can?

ChristmasTuddles · 19/12/2012 08:08

Yes I think so, makes sense that it is.

Never thought I'd have a POAS/PIAR buddy Xmas Grin.

I know we'll have to DTD tonight. I'm feeling a little better anyway Xmas Wink

jemimahpuddleduck · 19/12/2012 09:08

Tuddles my flower is on Friday too! Due on 6th of Jan so will be testing around then. We dtd last night might give it a rest tonight but will be straight back to it Thurs. Hope along with ding and everyone else we see the BFP from lots of festive shgng Xmas Wink

frogchops · 19/12/2012 10:27

I just reeeeeaally laughed at Ding poas 'for the drama' hahaa. And yes I think you'll cave because there's no new boot motivation this month! I would too though so....
Anyway, af is jogging on today. I like these 4day afs. Mite try using naughty sticks earlier this month, think I might've been too late for ov last month. But anyway it does mean lotsa shagging with intention over Xmas. Pity I'll have probably eaten myself into a coma most days, lol. Since I've been on here I've neatly lost a stone at the old fat club so I think I deserve some niceness!!

ChristmasTuddles · 19/12/2012 11:43

Mines due on 4th jemimah so we will be testing around the same time too Xmas Grin. Would love to be able to test this month though. Still, don't go back to work till 7th so will have a few days to get over it if it's a BFN (which, knowing my luck, it will be)

christmasatcountrybumpkins · 19/12/2012 15:12

Just popped by to say that ERTD has now gone so will be shagging with avengance from tonight! green week is the week from boxing day to New years day with my most fertile day apperntly being New Years Eve so that is a nice festive time to dtd every single day (if not twice a day Xmas Grin).

Work colleague wont stop going on about the latest scan of his baby, having to coo over pics! Xmas Envy Shouldn't slag him its not his fault my internals aint working!

SantaBearface · 19/12/2012 15:46

Hello All,

Glad to hear there's so much festive shagging going on! And festive POASing too!

ChristmasTuddles · 20/12/2012 06:01

I know what you mean country, our finance lady is pregnant (actually, I think the baby's due January some time) and I can't help it, I just can't bring myself to talk to her about it.

Well DTD last night and managed to keep my bum up on a pillow for an hour because I fell asleep again but I turned onto my side, does that count? Because in theory my bum was still in the air

DingDongBelle · 20/12/2012 07:40

It counts. If you're arse upended, it counts :)

I've only put my bum on a pillow twice this month. I've stayed flat the other times - I want a girl this time (I think) :)

DingDongBelle · 20/12/2012 07:42

Frog: you're right, no boots to motivate me and 30 Internet cheapie at 10mlu in the cupboard... It's a wonder I'm not poas-ing now!!

ChristmasTuddles · 20/12/2012 08:46

Yay it counts Xmas Grin

It took all of my will power not to roll onto my front (which I do automatically) as I thought that would definitely defeat the purpose. I have an achey back this morning though.

I do tend to forget, but I thought I'd make the effort as I couldn't even be arsed with shagging the night before.

I stay off those websites on purpose and then send DP to the shops for them, that way I know I'm not going to have loads and keep doing them.

AndieClaus · 20/12/2012 09:21

Less than a week til Christmas and I appear to have flu. Blergh.

Everybody seems to be happily shagging away, just what I like to hear.
I got back on the shag wagon last night. Random spotting afterwards which has gone now, too pink to be ERTD leftovers. Weird.

How is everybody today?

AndIfATenTonTruck · 20/12/2012 09:52

yeaaah hello. excellent shaggage chez tenton this month. twice yesterday!! (it was our anniversary) although I think we are well past green week.

first possible PIAR day for me is Christmas Day but I will try to leave it until New Year or the 2nd, once I have all visits/visitors out of the way. Of course by then other symptoms may be making it obvious (or negatively obvious).

I cannot be bothered with pant snot checking. The one time I did peer closely at what was on my fingers, the smell was so strong (not unpleasant, but powerful!) that I nearly gagged.

There, a bit of TMI for you!

SantaBearface · 20/12/2012 18:09

Hello.

Just got my results back from the 21 day Progesterone test and apparently I didn't ovulate this month. The doctor said my level was 2 when it needs to be around 30.

I'm so sad and feel like such an idiot sitting there thinking that lack of ERTD was a BFP (ERTD turned up about an hour ago). Doctor is sending me back to get the tests done again to check, but nonetheless I feel like I am a bit broken, a bit of a failure and I'm fearing that I may never be able to have children. Sad

All he said was that if they come back the same again then maybe we can look at drugs to help me ovulate and do other investigative tests - I don't know what they are though.

Told DH and he's on his way home now. I can't help feeling upset. Sorry if this is self-indulgent, but if anyone has any words of wisdom I'd be grateful for them just now.

DingDongBelle · 20/12/2012 18:23

Not an expert but these day 21 tests can be hit and miss. You could have ovulated before or after this. Also, a percentage of all cycles are annovulatory: are your cycles regular? I have pcos and before having ds I was only having 2 periods a year at most, as a result of not ovulating. Are you charting your temps? This can be a bit more reliable as a regular indicator? Are you having any other tests?

Are you ok? It can knock you for six this stuff. One non-ov cycle does NOT mean you are broken and there are lots of things you can try to kick start ovulating. Brew

SantaBearface · 20/12/2012 18:54

Hi Ding, Thanks for the advice. I asked the doctor about ovulating before or after and he said, no, I couldn't have. I think the explanation he gave was that if I had ov'd then it would have been higher than 2 as it would have been on the way up or the way down at day 21 which is why they do them then.

I'm also being sent for FSH and Estradial tests (I don't really know what these are). I've got one on Saturday which is the one they do in days 2-5 of the cycle. I don't know how to chart temps, but I'll investigate.

Thanks for letting me know about a percentage of cycles being annovulatory - he didn't tell me that, so I guess I panicked thinking that's it, I just don't ovulate. I wish they'd explain things properly.

I am quite teary and upset, but I'm trying to pull myself together. I'm dreading the thought of Christmas with three newborns to visit and all my friends with children. I guess also I just wanted it to happen naturally and without the need for any intervention. But, it's not the end of the world, I know. At least I have a womb and stuff, so I'm better off than some people. I don't mean to feel sorry for myself. I'm sure there's lots we can do.

Rockchick1984 · 20/12/2012 22:38

Sorry to hear you had some bad results Bear Thanks I think that if you were found (after lots more tests) to not be ovulating then you could be prescribed Clomid to stimulate egg production - may be worth having a read up on it, it has fantastic results for people and isn't anything invasive like IVF etc. As Ding says though, it's only one test on one month, pretty sure you can't make any grand conclusions from that!

DingDongBelle · 20/12/2012 22:57

I didnt know either, but I had a great gp before I moved. He told me lots of women may have 2 or 3 anovulatory cycles every 20 or so cycles and this is completely normal. The balance of hormones is very delicate and plenty of things can disrupt this and cause you to prepare to ov but not actually pop, iyswim.

FSH is Follicle Stimulating Hormone. It is released by your pituitary gland and prompts a follicle in your ovary (or more than one) to mature and produce an egg. Estradiol (I think) is the hormone released by the follicle once it is mature enough to actually release an egg, and the rise in Estradiol prompts the body to release LH (Lutenising Hormone), which causes the actual release. Contraband ov sticks detect this LH surge just before ovulation actually occurs.

In an anovulatory cycle, you may see FSH released (prepping a follicle), but no Estradiol, and/or no LH, meaning your body begins to attempt to ovulate but does not actually pop the follicle open. OR, if you have pcos, you could have high levels of LH all the time but no FSH or Estradiol (which is why ov sticks don't work for pcos sufferers - it looks like you are about to ov all the time but you never do).

It's really easy to disrupt this - stress is well known for making the witch turn up late, and this is because cortisol (stress hormone) in the body inhibits FSH, so delays ovulation and so delays ertd. Likewise, weight loss can stimulate ovulation as you store estrogen and estradiol in your fat cells, and as those fat cells are burst open and the fat released and metabolised by the body, you experience an estradiol surge. I swear that is how I conceived DS; I lost 11lb in 2 weeks and ov'd for the first time in 144 days, and bam. Made a baby.

Charting temps gives you a picture over time (often a few months) of your cycles. When you release Estradiol and LH, your basal body temperature (the internal temperature of the body at rest after at least 3 hours sleep) goes up by just under a degree, as these hormones create energy in the body and heat. You get a basic digi thermometer and a chart (fertility friend or Taking Charge Of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler have good ones), and in the morning, at exactly the same time (set an alarm), before you move or get up or do anything at all, you take your temperature and record it on the chart. Once you've ov'd, your temp goes up. You can tell you ov'd as your temp stays up for three days in a row. The next bit (the 2ww!) is called your Luteal Phase, and here you are either duffed (temp stays high sixteen days or more) or your temp drops down again and the witch appears. The Toni Weschler book explains it in more detail. Charting was how I knew to test for DS as my temp had been up 18 days and I was all Hmm it's not instant and it can take a few months to see a pattern, but if you see temps going up at the same point, plus Ewcm, you can be fairly sure you are ovulating. If you have an anovulatory cycle, you will get the witch with no temp rise. Oh, and word of advice: sleeping with your mouth open can affect your temp as you are taking measurements of 0.10 of a degree, so take your temp in your fanjo or bum for more accurate results, and always take it the same way as internal temps seem higher, and you are looking for quite a small change.

Sorry for the essay! hope all that makes sense? I have done a lot of reading on this because of the pcos so I have it in laymans terms. I found charting really useful and interesting, and it does make you feel less powerless and more in tune with your body. The book is often available in the library and I just photocopied the relevant pages at work and a whole bunch of the charts.

How are you feeling now? You could also google about using high strength evening primrose oil to help you ov. I did for 2 months before conceiving Ds but that could be a coincidence.

Hope all that helps! Have finger ache now from iPad typing!

DingDongBelle · 20/12/2012 23:04

Rock is right. Clomid is a pretty common treatment, but you can only have a few cycles of it (possibly five? Not sure) in a lifetime, so they may try other things first. If you are at all overweight, they may encourage you to lose a bit. Even a few pounds can make a real difference. If you are found to have pcos they may try metformin first (ask me again if you do as I am well clued up about pcos specifically!). Exercise can hinder ovulation due to the cortisol levels being raised, so if you are a gym bunny then laying off the hard stuff and sticking to yoga etc can also help. There are loads of things to try so don't fret, lovely, and stay positive. Next cycle you might pop an egg and away you go, you never know! And you have us for a vent if not.

Do we need a new Fred name? Are any of us actually Just Shagging? Seem to be a lot of contraband sticks and charts and so on going on... Maybe we need a new title Grin Any suggestions?

DingDongBelle · 21/12/2012 07:35

Ps: Tenton I'm testing New Year's Eve. Test buddies? :)

notsoold · 21/12/2012 10:03

Hi everyone...I have been lurking and reading your posts and waiting for DH to get better from his cold :) so no jsing the snotty guy!!!

have a very good weekend...xxx

SantaBearface · 21/12/2012 11:43

Thanks so much Ding - you are my absolute saviour! You have given me much more information than the doctor and much more clearly. Doctors in my experience just seem to tell me the results and then say that if it's the same next time, 'we'll take it from there', which sets my mind off about all the different things that could be wrong, so thanks so much for the essay, Ding - I really, really appreciate it. It's really hard trying to find the correct information online too as there's so much of it and I wasn't sure what was relevant or not.

I'll try the temping - going to order a thermometer today and will look up the book that you mentioned. I might get some Evening Primrose oil too.

You guys are right though, that it is only one test result and that it could just be one month of not ovulating. And if I'm not ovulating at all, then there are things we can do.

DH was really positive when he came home too, although he was upset for me. Bless him, he'd been reading about ovulation on his phone on the train home. I was really upset as I felt like it was my fault, but chatting with DH and looking online (including here) has made me see that lots of people have difficulties and they can still get pg.

Ridiculously I was surrounded by baby clothes last night for friends and family's christmas presents - had to wrap them to stop them from looking at me!

I've had a really odd cycle this month. I'm now on CD34. I thought ERTD was going to make an appearance yesterday, but all I've had is clear CM with the faintest amount of blood in it - sorry for the TMI! I never get spotting, but I imagine this is what it is like, but in CM. I'm very confused about it all. Hoping that ERTD turns up today fully so that I can get my blood test tomorrow if possible.

Again, thanks so much. You lovely ladies are so kind. I wish I knew you in RL. Gets me all choked up that people can be so kind to people they've never met. Xmas Smile

ChristmasTuddles · 21/12/2012 13:17

Bless you Bear, wish I knew something about anything to try and help (but sadly, I don't so I won't)

This is really starting to bother me now, my mates keep saying "so when are you and your DP going to have children then? I really want to say I'm working on it now, but don't want to jinx myself if that makes sense, no-one in RL knows we're TTC (apart from one friend, who I let it slip to, but it pretending not to know, bless her)

SantaBearface · 22/12/2012 11:11

Thanks Tuddles for the thoughts. And Rock too.

Tuddles - I'm trying to come up with a strategy of what to say to people as there's so many babies in my family at the moment someone is bound to ask. So DH and I talked about how we could handle other people asking without me getting upset and potentially telling people I like and love to eff off and mind their own business, plus spoiling everyone's Christmas. So I've planned what I'm going to say and I'm going to try not to get caught off guard. I'm also going to avoid holding any babies which shouldn't be hard as I have a raging cold and imagine I look like the grinch at the moment - crusty and green! When someone rang yesterday they thought I was DH as my voice had dropped so low!

Went for second blood test this am, and have been on a shopping spree for Evening Primrose and Vitamin B6 tablets, and I'm just about to purchase my contraband thermometer.

Had a chat with my friend about it all yesterday and she said her sister found out she was only ovulating once every three months and they still managed to have a baby, so that gives me some hope. My friend also said she had a 28 day period and the doctors couldn't give her an explanation for that either, so although obviously I don't wish for other people to have problems, it is comforting to know I'm not alone.

I think I need to join another fred as I'm clearly not just shagging anymore, but I like it here with you lovely folks, so I'll stick around a bit longer if that's okay?

Have a good Christmas everyone. Eat, drink, shag, be merry. Here's hoping for some Christmas BFPs. Xmas Smile Catch you in about a week or so.