Fantastic 40+ Thread - Part Eight.

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"Come on ovaries! Let's get this party started, yeah?"

Thankyou diege....no I dont think he will really believe it until he comes home on Wednesday and we can talk properly. At the moment we seem to be talking in code on the phone lol.

Hello everyone

It is nice to hear from you Littlepink, and Deige ( bummer about the laptop).

Well, AF is about to visit any minute. Not at all surprised or devastated as I knew it would. Had my pity party on Friday,and feel better now. I'm looking at the upside: I will have a glass of champagne over christmas (I still have two more Christmas parties to go - phew, getting a bit sick of them to be honest), it means we'll definitely go on our holiday to Lombok,and a late pregnancy won't get in the way of those plans, I get a chance to use the CBFM I bought, and more time to work on being a healthy vessel in which to carry a beautiful baby.

We spent yesterday on a friend's farm - every year around this time we go out there and pick up our butchered lambs (that sounds awful I know, but it isn't,they are treated wonderfully by these farmers and we get to eat beautiful grass fed,organic lamb). They have three children the same age as my eldest three. Now I see them just about all grown up,and how much easier it is for them, but it doesn't seem to sway me towards giving up ttc. It is a funny thing - my logical brain tells me that life is just getting easier, it is time to move on to other things, going back to sleepless nights,nappies etc is crazy. But my heart says the complete opposite and it it is hard to ignore.

However, I am not really sure about how much longer I will ttc. I have thought I'd stop in the new year. So that would mean a couple more cycles. I don't know why I have mentally set that date, but I do know that every time I set a date, I then move the goal post because I am not ready to stop. So I guess that decision will be made when the time comes.I feel there must still be a chance for me as I still have regular periods and regularly ovulate, which is a good thing for someone my age.

My friend told me she was ttc for a long time,and it was the month she'd decided was her last try that she got pregnant. She was not, however, over 35, so it is a bit different. I think the difference when ttc over forty is that it can take a very long time and that being open to it happening whenever is key because it can't necessarily be forced into a time plan when there is the age/egg/hormone factors.

After Calibee's success on the clomid, I am starting to feel tempted to use it,despite my Doctor's recommendation. This cycle I will use the red clover again, but I will double the dose (which is apparently what you do to make it more like clomid), though I can't find much info about it - there's heaps of info about using soy isoflavones as a substitute to clomid. The red clover works in the same way, so I'll take it and see what it does.

I learnt that taking clomid early in the cycle (for eg day 2-7) gives more follicles and more eggs, but taking it later, (say day4-9) will produce a stronger healthier egg. So that is interesting. I will take the red clover from day 3 -7, which gives a balance of both worlds apparently. Calibee, which days did you take the clomid?

Sorry if I'm boring anyone with all these details - just trying to get my head around it all.

I hope everyone is feeling well. I must go and make DS's breakfast - he wants pancakes today...

Morning! Calibee I'm sure Wednesday will be a memorable day for you both - enjoy!
Gum Interesting to read about red clover. Are you taking this in addition to vitex? I think there's no harm in (re) setting deadlines for ttc-ing. I have a feeling you'll be at it to the bitter end, and while this may be stressful you do seem to be able to approach it very healthily and I can't see you not being pregnant again.
We went to a friend's house last night who was telling me about a neighbour of hers who got pregnant at 52 . This woman had had 2 children in her 30s, and then remarried and tried to have a baby in her 40s. No joy, despite 2 cycles of ivf. Tests mid-40s showed very low prog, minimal egg reserve etc. By her 50s had very irregular cycles, lp of 6/7 days, basically just waiting for menopause, and then she gets pregnant at 52 naturally Her daughter is a very healthy 4 year old, a complication-free pregnancy with a natural delivery... She's of course very happy, though totally knackered
Off to see Santa this afternoon and need to complete the christmas cake, late I know!
Love to all xxx

Oh hopeful....reading that I felt I was almost with you. Every single one of those things you said I have felt at some stage.
I know my journey has been a relatively short one compared to some of you ladies on here (its not over yet...such early days)....nevertheless I too had some days when I thought I need to put a time limit on this, for my own sanity!! However I never did really put any limits on it, and I'm so glad I didn't. I did however decide that eventually I would stop obsessing about it...stop temping and opk-ing. This is such a personal journey and if its what you truly want...should there be any time limits if its not affecting your ability to be a good Mum and a good wife/partner and true to yourself??
Clomid was my one and only chance of assistance as the experts had already written me off due to my stupidly low AMH and high FSH. I remember feeling when the prescription was being written, that it was almost an appeaser for me, something to make me feel like they were trying to help when infact they knew it was fruitless....how wrong I was. So I took 100mg of Clomid on days 2-5 (seemed standard policy at my clinic). I was lucky to suffer no side affects...maybe a slight headache by day 5 and a dry mouth but that could have been anything not the side affects. The way I saw it was that if I was going to have a baby, then I would rather it be sooner than later and if Clomid pumped out double the amount of eggs at the start ( the more eggs the better chance of that one healthy one in there was my thought)and used up my egg supply sooner then so be it. I am so so so lucky it has worked for me, and in the first month aswell and I am now praying it sticks.
I hear so much conflicting information from Doctors. Some of you have been told that Clomid is bad for over 40's...however my Dr was the opposite she seemed more than happy to let me have up to 12 cycles worth if needed. I am glad she was..so very glad.
Like I said earlier.....I think this is a very personal journey with the same prize at the end. Its an individual decision about how we go about it....but I do know that if it was me, I would never use contraception again and try whatever was offered to me in my quest for that prize.
Big hugs to you hopeful....and to everybody questioning that journey xxx

Thankyou, Calibee, for your lovely words.

There isn't really a time limit for ttc, but I think I just don't like feeling disappointed every time AF is about to turn up (incidentally,it hasn't yet, but my temperature is diving). In some ways I struggle with it because I feel there should be a reward for suffering the miscarriages. I know that is not at all logical, but it just doesn't seem right to give up ttc without having the wonderful joy of a baby at the end.

A weird thing happened today. My Dh sold our car today (we've been wanting to sell it for a while) which is fabulous. We've had about 3 or 4 people look at it, but no real interest til today. The couple who looked at it bought it, which is very timely as we were feeling a bit broke right before Christmas. The woman in the couple is expecting a baby soon. It wasn't til later that I realised that her due date (jan 27) was my due date with the last miscarriage. Instead of feeling sad about it, I thought it was a good omen for me to keep ttc.

As for the clomid, I did have a look on ebay and there happens to be 10 x 50 mg for sale. It is tempting, but I think I'll stick to the natural route a bit longer. Deige, I am not taking the vitex anymore, I read that Vitex and red clover isoflavones shouldn't be taken at the same time.

I am still taking DHEA, will take the red clover, fish oil, royal jelly, Coq10, Vit D, pre-natal multi and folic acid.

Deige, that story about your friend's neighbour is amazing and wonderful! Imagine - being 10 years older than me with a four year old! I love it.
Where are you with ttc? Are you taking Vitex?Anything else?

Well, I must go and get the vegies into the oven. I am hoping DH isn't too late from golf,I want him to bbq the lamb chops! What's the bet he staggers in after dark a little under the influence and wanting his dinner?

Hi ladies,

Can I join you? Sooooooo glad I was pointed in the direction of this thread - I have renewed hope!

I'm 43, DH is also 43. Left it late to have a family (life, etc) and finally had DS when I was 41. Started trying for #2 when DS reached his 1st birthday, so we've been trying for 14 months now. Got my BFP last May, had mmc in July at 12 weeks. Carried on trying. Got my next BFP last weekend, but mc this weekend at just 5 weeks. Gutted.

Was going to call it a day if I hadn't conceived this last time, but all things are up in the air, and bottom line is I STILL want another child.

So - I'm off to see my doctor this week to put her through her paces - i.e "so lady, how much do you know about ttc past 40 and WHAT are you going to do to help me?" sort of thing!

I've read a few threads about Clomid but really am a novice. What does it do? My cycles are pretty regular (28 days) and I get ov pain, not sure if I need any interventions...

Good luck to all of you. Such a heart-wrenching decision to have kids and then it doesn't go according to plan. Britain has a very happy male population, if we are anything to go by!

Big welcome to OvenReady...so very sorry to hear about your losses and the one so recent too. The ladies on here are a lovely lot andfull of great information and support.
I've just had my BFP after a cycle of Clomid (wheeeeee)...basically it raises your estrogen levels therefore encouraging ovulation. There are fors and againsts in the over 40's..infact some Drs flatly refuse to prescribe it for various reasons. I'm glad mine did x

Good morning! Welcome to OvenReady, you have come to the right place I am so sorry about your losses. I think it is a good idea to talk to your doctor. It can't hurt to get the day 3 tests (testing estrogen, lutenising hormone and follicle stimulating hormone) and then a "21 day" test, which really should be called the "7 days post ovulation" test,to test your progesterone levels. Having said that,I don't think we should put too much store into the tests, because they don't always mean what the doctors say. For example my AMH (another hormone they test for egg reserve) is extremely low - a fertility clinic would probably insist upon Donor eggs - but I have still gotten pregnant 3 times in the last couple of years (unfortunately I miscarried each time).

Anyway, I think the tests are a good start,and then if they can help you with fertility drugs like clomid, it is worth a try. However, it sounds like your cycles are regular and you are ovulating, so you could keep trying and see what happens.

Well ladies, just to put a complete spanner in the works I had a temperature increase this morning when it should be heading south. I also thought I'd see AF by now, but she's still not here. So of course I did another internet cheapie test, and it is STARKLY bfn. Not even a whiff of a faint line. Bugger! I would have liked a little surprise bfp. I had some brown spotting yesterday at 12 dpo. But I think that's a bit late for implantation spotting, so AF must just be taking her time, and as for the higher temperature this morning, I guess that's just a glitch of some sort. I am 13 DPO and I have had a Luteal phase of 15 dpo in the past, so maybe taking red clover this month has extended it a bit?

Any thoughts,folks?

Just because I'd accepted this month was a bust and I am ready to turn on my CBFM, my body does this!

Well hopeful....af is not visiting you yet so I am hoping you will have a wonderful surprise bfp!!!

hopeful I am in the same boat as you. AF due yesterday no sign of it so far and another BFN this morning (not even the faintest line!) but in my heart of hearts I know my AF is on her way. Was due to get my first blood test done this morning but will need to cancel as I didn't start yesterday. According to my OPK I am now 14 DPO but my fertility friend chart thinks I am 9 DPO which would mean I would not be due until next Sunday. I have been away from home for two nights and forgot my BBT so haven't a clue what my temps are doing but suspect falling -I hope yours stay up now they have gine back up! I am glad you are feeling better about your journey today. If only there was a way of TTC but remaining relaxed with a que sera sera attitude so it didn't take so much out of us - but you can't really really want a baby and be relaxed about whether it happens or not!

Welcome ovenready you will be in good company here! So sorry for your losses. I like you am 43 and have recently been to my GP to discuss my fertility and I am having all the relevant tests. I was worried she wouldn't be supportive but she was (as well as being pragmatic!). Given you have conceived a number of times you are clearly still ovulating etc. I hope it goes well for you.

Xx

Well, the bfn's were correct. AF found me this afternoon! I am glad, I'd rather not be in the "am I? aren't I?" confusion. Now I'll set my CBFM tomorrow morning.

greenlizard, I think I'd believe your positive opk rather than Fertility friend. I hope you end up with a BFP.That would be lovely

No other news here. Monday is my day off and I spent most of the day running errands in town. I got home at about 4 and went to the beach with DH,DD and DS. So glad I did, it was lovely and the stress of the day (dealing with the bank, the local council, doing a massive grocery shop) melted away.

Tomorrow my DD is graduating from primary school (what do you call it in the UK? I know in the US it is called elementary school). She is coming up to the High school where I teach next year, I'm looking forward to it, she's a lovely girl and a great student. We are excited that she's receiving an award and she doesn't know it, I can't wait to see the look on her face.

Anyone else waiting for AF or to test???

Sorry AF got you, gum, but glad you are sounding more positive. Here's hoping next month's your month (& mine). Your trip to the beach sounds lovely,. I hope you all have a lovely time at your DDs primary school (that's what we call it here too) graduation. I'm also awaiting the arrival of AF , expecting from tomorrow. I think my breasts are still a bit sore, but as I keep prodding them to check, I'm not sure whether it's hormonal or physical! Also, I don't think I've been very nice to DH & DD over the last few days, a definite dose of PMS, mainly brought on by getting super-stressed about my assignment for my studying. I came home from work at 7.30 this morning and stayed up to finish it. I've submitted now hence MNing, not sleeping. I have thought about testing tomorrow but as I'm pretty sure I'm not pregnant - again - I shall probably leave it.
Welcome ovenready, very sorry to hear about your losses, especially your most recent one. This is a good place to while you'rewaiting for your next, sticky, BFP!
Calibee, I hope all is well so far. I'm not sure about going to the Drs and getting tested - you didn't have great results, & you still had a BFP, I think I'd rather not know! But I do think that I'm probably not going to get pregnant again - I'm now nearer 45 than 44 (that doesn't look good written down ), so if I decide to stop TTC, as you say there's no point in going back to contraception, and I just might get lucky.
Good to hear from diege- I hope your computer is sorted out soon - and littlepink.

Apologies if this doesn't entirely make sense, I'm going for a snooze now!

Thank you all - I'd forgotten about the day 3 and day 21 tests - remember reading about them before I conceived DS. I will grill the doc to get this set up - once my cycle is restored!

Good luck to all of you in the meantime - apologies for the less than personal response, will take me some time to get to learn your names! So glad I found you.....!

Morning...well my AF has arrived 2 days late after what felt like torture! I have been testing from about 9DPO and today is 16DPO! Might not take that approach again as I might become a bit (more) demented.

I am glad that it has finally got on with it so I can get on with it. I am not patient by nature but I must learn. This is my first cycle of temping too so it was interesting to see my temperature has also taken quite a dramatic dive (although clearly I could have lived without this particular piece of information ).

So I am off for my first bloods test on Thursday, will start on EPO until ovulation and hope that this is the month! Might investigate acupuncture in the new year also. Good luck to anyone is on the 2WW - well good luck to everyone actually.

xx

I've been lurking a little bit recently while we wait to find out what's next with treatment. I'm trying not to go mad with obsessing and luckily Christmas and family interactions are providing plenty of other things to go mad about.

I'd like to be obsessing about having a healthy and calm lifestyle if that's not a contradiction . Festively fertile thoughts to all xx

Hello everyone. How's things today?

I am feeling lousy. Bloody glad I wasn't drinking much last night at the staff dinner as I came home to a very sick little boy. DS3 had a horrible high temperature and was truly miserable. So we've had a tough night and I feel a bit worse for wear.

It would have been a lot more convenient if he'd got sick tomorrow as today is my last day at work and I really did want to go in for the farewells, special morning tea, lunch etc. However, he does seem a lot better this morning,and I may be able to leave him in the capable hands of DD1 (she's almost 16). I can always run home if it is proving too much for her.

While nursing my ill son last night I really did start to question how I'd cope if I had a baby too. Of course we always cope no matter what.And realistically, if I had a baby, I wouldn't be going to work for a while and DS would still get plenty of attention. I think in the dark of night when things are rough it is normal to think,"OMG, why would I want to put a new baby into this mix???". In the light of day I feel totally different.

The staff dinner was great fun last night. It is very funny to see (your normally staid,straight faced) colleagues let down their hair and relax. They were busting out some hilarious moves on the dance floor. Not that different from high school discos,actually . It was certainly entertaining. I think there will be a few hangovers this morning, it is just as well we don't have students in today.

greenlizard I highly recommend acupuncture. I know I'm not a shining example as I've not had my THB in my mid-forties (but did have one whilst having acupuncture at almost 42). The main wonderful thing about acupuncture is how it helps balance your whole body and feels so relaxing.I continued it through my pregnancy and it really helped with morning sickness and other pregnancy complaints. I hope I get to do it again while pregnant.

Good luck with your Blood tests on Thurs.

Aaagh, it's the middle of the night and I can't sleep and I just wrote a long post and now it's disappeared Still, writing it down did me good.

greenlizard and hopefulgum sorry AF got you. Next month!

Hello OvenReady, I'm new too. There's lots of good advice and moral support here, and it's good to feel you're not on your own. Really sorry to hear about your MCs - I had one in August. Hope you find comfort here.

The gist of my lost post was that I'm fed up and stressed because DP's idea of TTC is just to let nature take its course, ie no contraception - full stop. It worked for us once as I got my BFP the first month, but had an MC in August. DP has 3 DCs (I have none), who live with us every other week (we are a very happy little stepfamily, for what it's worth). We have (blushes) the most fantastic sex life - but only the weeks when his DCs aren't here. Unfortunately this week, when I ovulate, they're here (and if my cycle continues to be as regular as it's become since my MC, that's going to be repeated over and again). Last night (earlier tonight, I mean) we really needed to DTD to be in with a chance this month, but it's very difficult to get DP interested on a school night in children-week. I find that hard even without taking TTC into consideration. Anyway, instead of DTD we ended up talking about it which was probably more beneficial in the long term (but talking doesn't get you a BFP )

I told him that I feel like I'm TTC on my own. We were really lucky that first month, but it's not like that any more and I need more than his non-opposition for this to happen (by non-opposition I mean his agreement that we stop contraception). I think he takes this approach because life's good and he doesn't want us to spoil it by getting hung up on TTC (he can say that, though, having his lovely DCs) - he wants us to keep it low-key, in the background, doesn't want it to take over our lives. I agree with him, and if we were 10 years younger that would be fine. But...well, I don't need to spell it out to anyone here, do I?

I need to go back to bed! Got a day of training and then our work Christmas party tomorrow.

Good night!

I can feel your stress through the screen Morien & didn't want to read and run though I have nothing wise on the tip of my tongue (or keyboard) just a feeling of empathy.

Hope your DC is feeling better hopeful xx Is

My DP is a bit like your morien wrt ttc. We will probably only have Dtd 1 this cycle on cd11. I had plenty of ewcm for a few days after so reckon I have probably missed the boat yet again.dp has terrible toothache last few dats and is going away til Sunday tomorrow so that's our chances gone- will then be cd 17.

So frustrating. I'm urge his sperm won't be hanging around up there as age isn't on our side.

Hope your dc is feeling better gum and you all get some rest x

Hi girls. Thanks for your well wishes for DS. Thankfully he is much better. Still coughing, still has a runny nose, but the fever is gone and he seems in good spirits.

I am pleased to say I am on holiday. It is such a relief and I already feel relaxed. I'm celebrating with an acupuncture session this morning. I have a few more Christmas gifts to worry about, but not much else to do for Christmas. We are spending the day at home, then joining friend's on their farm on Christmas night. I have to make a desert for that, but it won't be difficult.

I've started planning a bit of a fitness kick for the holiday break.I'm hoping,that because I now have time, I will be able to get into a routine so that I will carry it on once work starts again. I am going to start the couch to 5 k training,and get back into the pool again.I let that slip this past term. I am also going to pop into the gym today to get a class timetable and try to get to a regular yoga/pilates class.

With a bit of luck - making these plans and getting into a routine it will all go to pot when I get morning sickness

Morien, in response to your dilemma, normally I'd say, don't let DP know your cycle, just seduce him when the time is right, but in your situation, it is difficult because he won't DTD when his kids are around. How bloody frustrating for you. And, I think perhaps a bit unfair on his part.He has children already, and your heart's desire is to have one together, therefore he'll have to step up and do the right thing whether his kids are there or not. My suggestion would be to reduce the amount of sex you have when his kids aren't there. So that his balls are blue by the time they are, and he'll be desperate for it. Once you've got him over the initial performance anxiety of DTD when his kids are in the house (and asleep and completely oblivious I should think), perhaps he'll be okay about DTD when the time is right.
You say he is worried about TTC taking over your lives, but I don't think having sex, when his kids are in the house (whether you are ttc or not) is an example of it "taking over your lives". A loving couple should have sex whenever the urge is there,and you shouldn't have to turn off your desire when the children are at the house.It is quite unfair of him to expect that of you irrespective of the whole ttc thing.

I hope I don't sound too bossy. I don't want to do that.I just want to support you and sympathise. This ttc caper is difficult enough. ((hugs))

I started my double dose of red clover yesterday (my version of clomid). I think the red clover helped last month in terms of my lining. My AF this month was a bit heavier than it has been in the past year or so.I've always wondered if it contributed to the miscarriages. So I am glad there seemed to be more this time.Red clover boosts low estrogen levels, so I guess it would make a difference.

Morning all...hope everyonre ok.

Just a quick drop in. Dp home for the xmas holidays yesterday...wheeeeeee. .

Busy-ness and stress at work at a high again and I'm trying very hard not to let it get to me. Roll on midday tomorrow.....no work until next Thursday yay. Big hugs to those going through difficult times x

Hello ladies... I think I will be returning to this thread soon. Not just yet, I will be lurking for a while until I get myself together again.

It wasn't meant to be After a few isolated days of light spotting, I started bleeding heavily last Sunday, and a scan at the EPU on Tuesday then confirmed my worst fears, I am miscarrying. They could see the sac, but it was empty... Discussed it all with the consultant and nurses, and as we all agree that my body seems to be doing it, we're going to let nature take its course . Doing blood tests and will go back for another scan when we get back from Germany.

I feel really crushed, so sad. Struggling with the lack of rhyme and reason, feeling really numb and at the same time as if I'm walking on eggshells. My lovely DH is looking after me, and I have a couple of wonderful friends that give lots of support.

So I'll be sitting in the corner here for a while, if you don't mind, licking my wounds. I will definitively start ttc again, but for now I need some time to pick myself up again.

JBrd, I'm sorry. Look after yourself, and let others look after you. It's so hard...

Thanks for the sympathy, Isabeller and pinkfizz. And gum, no, you don't sound bossy, I took your words very much as sympathy - you've just confirmed how I feel about it all. Actually I don't think it's his DCs over-hearing that bothers DP - I think it's more that he feels a bit overwhelmed by everyday life when they're here. When we talked about it the other night he acknowledged that he feels much less free when they're here. He has to get up earlier when they're here, for example, to get them ready for school (which starts earlier here in Belgium than in the UK), and he seems to be scared he'll oversleep so goes to bed earlier - but actually the alarm only goes half an hour earlier than it does when we're on our own! Everything is out of proportion - but I wonder if it's left over from the first year of his separation from his ex (before I knew him), when he had to fight hard for any kind of custody as ex claimed he wouldn't be able to look after the DCs. Even though he does a brilliant job with them and nobody could criticise, I think there's some residual fear that they'll be taken away, and he lets that take over at the expense of other things. Understandable but difficult to live with.

Anyway, there's progress. I'd written off last night for DTD as it was my work Xmas do and given DP's early bedtime in children-week he'd normally have been snoring by the time I got back (which was why DTD the night before was so important). But instead he waited downstairs for me, we talked about our respective days a bit, then he suggested we go to bed, where he initiated DTD - and all in the kind of relaxed atmosphere that reigns when his DCs aren't here So now I'm very glad we had that chat the night before last instead of DTD. (One of the most wonderful things about my DP is that he is very ready to change his behaviour once he thinks I have a point - even if sometimes I get frustrated that I need a sledgehammer or two to make the point in the first place )

I'm on leave today - snuggled up on the sofa with a cup of tea, watching the rain. All's right in my world again. Well, almost...

Jbrd I am so, so sorry for you and you DH - I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must be for you right now but I am glad you have people who love you looking after you.

Calibee You enjoy having your man home with you. I bet you have an amazing time - what a perfect way to celebrate Christmas a bfp and your DP home with you!

Morien Glad your world has righted itself. I know men are supposed to be less complicated that us womenfolk but blimey, sometimes what goes on in their minds is a total mystery. Sounds like your DP just needs your help finding his way through things every now and again even if that can be frustrating - that he is willing to listen and change is great. Obviously, seeing him being a brilliant dad to his DC's must be one of the reasons you want a child with him. Thats a big compliment to him

The only benefit of having my AF arrive earlier this week is that I was able to indulge myself at my works night out last night - I was feeling a little bit jaded this morning - which is obviously not appropriate TTC behaviour!! I wobbled off to get my first blood tests done first thing this morning along with my flu-jab ruminating the last glass of wine which seemed such a good idea. Still done now and I am now writing work reports at home drinking lots of herbal tea with the heating on full blast, having ordered some pre-filled conceive plus applicators in preparation for when I hopefully ovulate in about a week

Actually the other benefit of getting my AF was to understand that my DP really does want a baby with me and shared my disappointment when AF arrived...I am not sure why but I think deep down I might have been worried he was doing it to please me rather than wanting it for himself. I mean now he is actually taking pre-conception vitamins....

Oh jbrd, I m so sorry for your loss. There is no rhyme or reason, it feels so unfair. Let yourself grieve, stay close to your DH. When I light a little candle for Alfie and Louis, I shall light a little one for your baby too. Sending love your way.

Come here anytime and share your sadness,anger,frustration, if it helps. This thread was a huge support to me when I miscarried.

Morien, your DP sounds really lovely.I am so glad things have worked out.And I hope that the timing was perfect.

greenlizard, I love your positive approach. Your DP sounds lovely too. When will you get your blood test results?

Calibee, I know you will be loving every minute with your man home. I feel a bit of how loved up you two will be!

Acupuncture was heavenly yesterday. I really needed it. I was so tired after the sleepless night with DS (who is so much better now) and just end-of-the-school-year-itis, so having the acupuncture was just what the doctor ordered. Anyway, I asked her how my energy felt (she takes my pulse in about 6 places on my wrists to check energy) and she said it was very good considering how I was feeling (tired). I asked if she felt my levels would support a pregnancy. Her reply was, "without a doubt! I can't say you will definitely get pregnant, but if you do, I would say you will support the pregnancy with no problems at all". I was happy with that response. I guess I asked because I do worry about whether it would be too much for me. But when the baby is here you just get on with it.And you are busy and tired, but it is in the best possible way.

So it is day 5 today and I'll up my dose of red clover to 120mg, tomorrow I'll do 160mg and then the last dose will be 200mg. Lets hope it does the trick for a fabulous juicy,healthy egg!