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TTC Super Ovulation part 3

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Arianrhod · 08/10/2012 08:30

Hey ladies -

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Part 2 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1475108-TTC-Super-Ovulation-part-2?pg=1

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Mel3062 · 14/05/2013 14:05

I ment brown sorry! Sorry about your af too our bodies are not kind sometimes. I'm having to stop antibiotics I've had awful migraine and now a huge rash!

ChoccyPud · 14/05/2013 15:09

Sounds like you're allergic to the anti biotics! Speak to dr obv. Also pop some Pred for a few days until the rash calms down. Dealing with allergies to meds must be, for us, the most ironic use of Pred possible!

Mel3062 · 14/05/2013 15:35

Yes got told to stop one lot totally and stop one lot for 48 hours and if rash goes to start it again but if not i need to ring them fri. What does the pred do then does that help? I was thinking of giving body a steroid free rest til we try again x

ChoccyPud · 14/05/2013 16:58

Pred suppresses your immune system - a side benefit is that it therefore calms allergic responses which are just(!) an over active response by your immune system. I had to take some for a few days when I reacted to Humira. Instant effect to be fair! Sounds like your dr thinks just stopping ABs will do the trick so maybe you shouldn't bother.

Mel3062 · 15/05/2013 10:31

Ari good luck for tomorrow.
Just wondered when you went for hysteo did you go straight to the clinic or did you have to arrange a time? X
Is the LAD test the same as chromosome analysis? My hubby and I both had genetic testing before that was ok though they lost notes! Is this the same thing??

Arianrhod · 15/05/2013 12:22

Thanks mel. :) When I had my hysto, I saw Penny at Serum first, she did an aquascan and determined that I actually needed the hysto. She then arranged the hysto for 7am the next morning, and I then went to the hospital straight from Serum for pre-op tests. It's usually at the Yaia clinic of the Iatriko Kentro Athena (Central Hospital of Athens). I got a taxi from the Alex to the Iatriko (and from Serum to the Iatriko the day before), I think it cost me about 11 euros. And after the hysto I got a taxi straight to Serum, where Penny then goes through the DVD of your operation with you, showing you what was found and what cut out, etc. A bit yuck, but interesting to see.

No, the LAD test checks to see if you have antibodies against your other half - I would assume useful if you've recently been pregnant, as presumably you should have some antibodies. However, I think most people's LAD is low until after first trimester, so not sure if that would help much. Mine, however, were so low as to be completely non-existent, which ties in with the DQa match result for me and OH.

If it helps, here is the Serum info doc on hysteroscopies with them, well worth a read: www.serum-ivf.com/documents/hysteroscopy.pdf

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Mel3062 · 15/05/2013 12:39

Thanks Ari
So you just turned up?
I've asked penny what she thinks about the lad test. I now don't know whether to go in June to make more use of the result afterwards if you know what I mean ;) as this month would in effect be a wasted month.
Then I figured that If I have it in June I may be pregnant when we go to Mexico ( if we were luckily to concieve first month though it took 18 months and a year before!)
If I have it in July I may find out I'm pregnant in Mexico and then I'd panic as wouldn't get injection or intralipids til a week or more later and that would panic me!
Life's never simple...
And I've got yet more spots today!! X

Arianrhod · 15/05/2013 13:32

Well no, I had an appt with Penny first, arranged for the Thursday 1pm. That's when she did the aquascan, and subsequently she arranged the hysto at the Yaia for the next day.

Bear in mind you need to recover after the hysto. I bled for a few days (not much), stopped for a day, and then AF started, which went on for ages! It's not uncommon to have a long AF after the hysto, I believe. Mind you, I had my hysto at CD23 whereas you'd be having yours much earlier in your cycle, yes? Might be worth running your thoughts past Penny, see what she suggests?

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Mel3062 · 15/05/2013 14:04

Thanks ari sorry for all the questions! Yes it's be day 14 ish next week or just after period in June x

Arianrhod · 15/05/2013 15:08

You ask all you like, I don't mind :)

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Pebbles73 · 15/05/2013 21:25

Just wanted to pop on to say good luck for tomorrow Ari and that I am keeping everything crossed for you. Smile how are you feeling about it all?

I saw the girl at work who is pregnant today for the first time without her white coat on (I work for a luxury watch company and the watchmakers have to wear laboratory style coats) and she already had a bump!! Was on the phone and nearly stopped mid conversation!!

Mel3062 · 16/05/2013 11:52

Aw pebbles its awful isn't it.
Ari you're in my thoughts today
It turns out I haven't got post erpc infection I've got chickenpox :( I'm changing profession. Can't help but wonder if this brewing was a miscarriage factor as doc said I could of had a jab to build immunity but I thought I'd already had it as a child :(

Arianrhod · 16/05/2013 16:19

pebbles It's horrid, but keep faith that if there is any justice in this world it will ultimately be your turn too one way or another, and you will appreciate your baby so much more than that lady ever could. Big hugs.

mel chickenpox!!! Oh my, you poor thing, are you ok? Could that have had anything to do with your MC, do you know?

Well I am currently sitting at the departure gate at Athens for the last bit of my mad dash with 3 'perfect' blasts on board. However, and I appreciate her candour, Penny says that there's still a strong chance my body will react to OH's DNA and kill anything that implants anyway - which is by she put 3 back, in the hopes that at least one will survivor. Now we wait. And in the meantime I've had 6 injections today (ouch!) and have stacks more to do at home over the next few days. I may never recover from te bruising!

Forgive any rubbish typos, I don't get on with the phone keypad.

/waves to everyone, hope you're all doing well!

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Mel3062 · 16/05/2013 16:36

Aw ari good luck!!
I'm absolutly covered in itchy spots :( doctor said that's why I felt so ill before the spots came. I asked the doctor outright and he said it could of caused mc but that it seemed to do it later on but with zero immunity who knows. That saddens me as I had it as a child so when the kids at school got it I thought I was ok but doc said I must of had a mild strain and not built immunity to it. What upsets me is if I knew this I could of simply had an injection to build immunity to it :( x I'm still infectious so no work til Thursday.

duggs1976 · 16/05/2013 16:51

Ari how exciting. So proud of how you've just got on and done this. It is def in my plan of action if necessary. Are you having extra injections to try to counter the possible rejection for example? Safe flight home xGrin

Breezyweezy · 16/05/2013 18:17

Ari woohooo that's brilliant. And 6 injections in one day - yikes! Hope you have a good flight home.

Dashing to make dinner but waves to all!

brownstag · 16/05/2013 20:00

Good luck Ari!
Mel, I feel for you, as I strongly suspect that a flu-like illness I had at 5 and a half weeks might have caused my miscarriage, and again, I could have had the flu jab but hadn't got round to it yet. I had a raging fever and I'd read up on how fever is associated with miscarriage, but the odds are improved if you can get the fever down. I was able to do so in the day with paracetamol but overnight it would go skyhigh again. My doctor said not to set the alarm clock, if that was what I was thinking of (of course I was) just to take paracetamol in the middle of the night, and now I wish I had. Get well soon xx

lemonsherbet · 16/05/2013 21:09

ari finger crossed for you

Pebbles73 · 16/05/2013 23:00

You poor thing Mel you must be feeling pretty crap!! Look after yourself and maybe you should think about nit rushing off to Athens just yet and getting yourself strong.

Wow Ari three embryos, that's fantastic. Try and put your feet up as much as you can to get the blood flowing to your uterus, when I had ivf I would always do this when I got home. If you can particularly for the first few days Zuta west advises resting as much as you can.

Mel3062 · 17/05/2013 06:47

Thanks, no Athens will have to be June now I can't go anywhere til thurs and def not allowed on a plane. :(
Thanks brown it certainly makes you wonder doesn't it... X
Ari hope you're home ok and looking after the embies ;) I can't wait to hear your news when can you test?? Xx

Arianrhod · 17/05/2013 10:13

mel Lord, you poor thing ... does piriton help with the itching at all, I'm told it does? Don't worry about waiting till June to go out to Athens, it just gives your body a chance to rest and recuperate a bit. I am a firm believer in all things happen when they're meant to, in their own good time, and all will work out the best way it possibly could have. Take care of you in the meantime, and build back up your body's strength.

breezy How are things going with you? When are you testing, if my poor tired brain remembers correctly you've already had your embies put back, is that right? How are you feeling?

lemon How long have you got to go, not long now I think? How are you doing, resting as much as possible I hope?

duggs and pebbles Where are you with your IVF, I've completely lost track of timings for everyone but I think you're coming up for appts, is that right?

brown How are you feeling now, and how are you doing?

Thanks ladies for all your good wishes! duggs Oh lord, extra injections - I now have to do 3 injections a day every day up to at least 12 weeks (if we ever get that far), clexane morning and evening (!!! my worst nightmare come true) and neupogen. And two extra injections, major steroids (dexamethasone) and hCG shots (I forget what) 3 times spaced 2 days apart for another 2 doses (I had the first two yesterday). These two extra ones are supposed to be intramusculuar, the size of the needles frightens the bejesus out of me!!! But as it's quite difficult to do intramuscular ones properly in one's behind, the midwife at Serum told me I could do them in my belly (where? where?! nowhere left without bruises!) and took pity on me and gave me some finer needles I can use.

Nothing else can be done about my immune system - Penny says I'm on the highest possible protocol they can use to combat it, but there's still a very big chance my immune system will prove to be stronger. I have to test in 12 days time (today being day 1) to see if they've even implanted properly, but as we all know, the real test will be to see if my body then kills them off after - implantation isn't usually a problem for me; keeping them alive is.

I have to say the support at Serum has been fantastic, the midwife Dimitra is just lovely and gave me her direct email address, Penny of course I can't fault, and all the nurses and general staff are all really helpful and friendly. Even if this all goes pear-shaped and I've just 'wasted' the better part of maybe £8000 (neupogen is expensive :( ), I feel we've done it in the absolute best place possible and I don't think there's anything else that could possibly have been done.

One thing that did surprise me in the difference with here is I just ask for any prescription I want and they give it to me. I want cyclogest instead of what they usually prescribe for progesterone support? No problem, here, how many prescriptions do you want? I've come home with a whole ton of meds that it was better to buy over there, plus a stack of prescriptions for meds that I wanted to get here instead. They just said to tell them what I wanted, and they'd write me out whatever prescriptions I needed. I just can't see that happening over here.

Put my feet up though ... nope, unfortunately that can't happen. At work now, too much on today to be able to stay at home unfortunately - I figure that I'm not rushing around or lifting anything (I work in IT, so I'm desk-bound) and at home, well there's DD, who isn't going to be allowing me to sit around anytime soon! I may get OH to bath her tonight, though :)

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Arianrhod · 17/05/2013 10:15

Darn, meant to add ... choccy What's your plan for the mo, wait and see to make sure your cycles sort themselves out, or are you thinking of doing something else?

And of course /waves to everyone!

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Abney · 17/05/2013 10:33

Hi all, just wanted to pop in and say good luck Ari. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you every step of the way. DS2 was due on the 14th. If nothing happens then my induction is 24th. It is still hard to imagine having another DS. I still say 'if all goes well'.

Good luck to everyone else.

Arianrhod · 17/05/2013 11:59

And the very best of luck to you too Abney, so excited that your date is almost here! :)

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Breezyweezy · 17/05/2013 13:26

Mel gosh I am so sorry to hear of your chickenpox on top of everything else. How horrid for you. I had chickenpox as a kid but then aged 12 ended up with shingles ? ouch now that hurts!!

Ari you asked a while back about the reduction in my CD69 levels. When I had the test done I was fit and well and haven't changed my diet at all. I had been taking the pregnacare conception with Omega 3 for the previous 18 months since my first app with Mr S, but decided to swap back to just the normal pregnacare at the end of February. I suppose that the Omega 3 could be the cause of the reduction?

Sue I'd never heard of Fragile X until I went for a consultation with CRM and the consultant seemed to think it would be something to test for to try to determine why my AMH was so low at my age. The Lister mentioned it would be good to check it too, so I thought why not. It is apparently
the most common cause of inherited mental retardation and affects boys more than girls as it is transmitted on the X chromosome. You can have a small change to it, a premutation, but it doesn't stop the gene from working, therefore no learning disabilities. But when the woman has a baby, this small change to the chromosome can grow when it is passed to her child. If you have the premutation this can be linked to low AMH or premature ovarian faliure, which is I suppose why they wanted to test me for it after finding I had such a low AMH level last year.

Thanks also for the blog post about the ivf drugs. I have ordered mine from Healthcare at Home as they were by far the cheapest (about £500 less than the Lister!) and they arrive on Tuesday. Also great list of tips...I have saved it to my desktop!

Good luck for your stimms. Interesting that you are on short protocol. I was a little confused by the one I will be on as they want me to take the pill first, so I am assuming that makes it long? The follow up letter from the Lister arrived yesterday and said I would be doing the long day 21 protocol with 300iu Gonal F, upped to 375iu after the first scan if nothing much is happening. Are you also having an endometrial scratch and do all scans and bloods take place down in Chelsea?

Buzzy congrats on having 2 embies put back. How exciting. When is your otd?

Choccy sorry to hear of a wasted FRER. I have found now that I very rarely bother poas and just wait for af to arrive, which seems to happen month in month out without fail! If I do, I pee in a pot first and then can assess the af situation first and judge whether or not to bother testing!! I believe I have also read that it doesn't matter too much about the length of the pre-ov phase, but it must be so baffling for you to be having these WTF cycles.

Lemon how was your midwife appointment? Hope it all went well and the blood pressure stayed under control! Not long to go for you now.

Abney hope all goes well for you. Not long to go until you meet DS2!

Ari not me with the embies, must be buzzy you are thinking of!
I will start the pill at the end of this month while on holiday and then as soon as I am back at the end of the second week of June I'll have scan and endo scratch then start sniffing and stimming. I am feeling quite relaxed about the whole thing at the moment, however am sure that will change as we get closer to starting and will definitely have gone when we have to pay upfront on the day of the first scan!
The Lister want you to have an AMH test that has been done within 3 months of starting your cycle so I will have that redone. I will be interested to see what the result is as my AMH doesn't correspond to my last AFC scan. I just hope it hasn't gone down even more from the 0.63 it was last year, not that it could go down much more though!!