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TTC for 10+ months, part 10

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princesschick · 17/09/2012 12:21

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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GinSoaked · 07/10/2012 19:05
buzzybee123 · 07/10/2012 21:50

sar Grin at the buzster, I like farmers markets. Shehata mainly deals with immune issues and miscarriages, I am still under his care but not doing IVF with him (although he doen't know that yet)

gin I so love my fur baby, she has honestly helped me, we both think she is lovely, she really took to Mr B's aunt when she was here, she has managed to kill a moth tonight :) are you favouring them both over Mr G Wink glad that you had a nice time with your friend even if she didn't know when to stop with the questioning

sarlat · 08/10/2012 08:08

Yo Buzster - Grin please do pm me the contact details for your clinic - it can't hurt to send an email. Glad you are having a good time with the Fur baby.

Gin - thank you. I will remember what you said about the registrar. I am finding it all hard at the moment, I have to be honest. But yesterday we had a nice fun day which distracted me. I think that no matter what the problem is or isn't, subfertility is so so so tough. We seem to be very successful in many parts of IVF but can't get over the final hurdle. I know we should be pleased to have these positive signs but that in itself is stressful because we still can't do it. Thank you for thinking of me. Glad you had a good weekend in the end. The wine always helps. Maybe that freind will prove to be a real source of support over the next few months.

I have had a pimpley and blotchy rash (looks like acne) all over my stomach, boobs and back for a few days now. Not itchy and no change of toiletries, washing powder, diet etc. But I was feeling poorly last week with a cold, sore throat and mouth ulcers - which stared during the FET 2ww Hmm. I have been googling rashes like mad to see if it could be some sort of autoimmune thing. Confused

akuabadoll · 08/10/2012 09:10

sar sorry you are finding things tough right now. As you say you do so well in the IVF process, just the final hurdle. When is your next appointment at your clinic? The rash is strange, I don't know what that could be. You could cover it in sudocreme, I say so only because that's my new advice for anything. A friend got her face covered with bedbug bites a few weeks back (Sudan, it happens) my advice, yep, get some nappy rash cream.

Gin in answer to your question, my appointment is a week today. I dont know how this will pan out but it will have to be face-to-face because I'm getting nowhere by email (a common problem here). I just want to get it over with, assuming I'm happy enough with the Dr's plan. I can't help but feel that it will reveal very low egg quality, I just can't see what the hell else is going on. My cycles are so regular I have little need to track them, charts always show ov just before mid cycle, LP long enough etc etc. I was thinking back to years ago when I came off the pill. My cycle was the same length then, I didn't chart but I guessed ov at CD 12 which according to my current charts is about right. So I can't even blame old age or timing. Meh. Onwards...I'll see what goes down next week.

And good for you Gin on the wine and shopping weekend, it's smart to enjoy yourself, much the healthiest choice. My folks left today so I'm just getting my home and head in order. I've been sipping some wine too, a full glass in front of my plate was the best technique I found for booze question avoidance. Actually if it's mostly full everyone stops noticing while topping up other glasses. No pregrancy rumours I'm pretty sure, mini Doll helped me out one evening by coming for good night kisses with two tampons in each hand (and took them to bed for company). Now we can have a quiet week teatotal, simple food in front on the TV.

Artemis well done on surviving the baby-fest. I sympathize with Mr A, there were countless occasions over the pass two weeks I could have cheerfully necked a bottle never mind a glass to cope with the olds (saying FFS under my breath only goes so far). Apart from finding the energy, pushing a clinic for personalized service is not likely to produce any results I think. This is what I imagine "ah Doll, you read that on Google last night did you? Well that changes everything, we will immediately scrap what we do and go with your idea". Not likely me thinks. I added 'Dr' to my signature on my emails to him in the hope it will scare him into taking me seriously Grin

rabbit that's interesting regarding the multiple strong positives. It certainly sounds like shifting shag week over a bit is worth a shot. I never really understood the idea of stopping testing at the first postive for this reason. Your surge seems very long, mine is really short in contrast.

Monday morning waves to lemon critter buzzy princess nelly and everyone else... X

mrsden · 08/10/2012 09:26

I love the story about mini doll and the tampons. He sounds so adorable. I think failing to respond to emails is a problem the world over. I get so frustrated at work sometimes when people clearly receive something but ignore it.

Princess, your gp sounds lovely. I wish we could all have her as our doctor. All the drs I seem to see fall into the arrogant category. I'm at the stage though that I'm willing to put up with arrogance if they can get me pregnant. I hope you have a lovely time with the folks. Are you telling them your news?

Sar that sounds like a post viral rash to me. Fairly common and not much you can do about it, I had one earlier this year. Big red blotches all over my tummy and back, I thought it was chicken pox at first. It took about 6 weeks to clear completely, the dr did say stress makes people more vulnerable to it. Have you had any karotype testing? I'm just thinking that might be another avenue to explore if the problem seems to be the embryos stop developing after so many days.

Euro, is you weight water retention or do you thinks it's more fat? I am finding that I'm getting quite bloated now in the last part of my cycle. It must be water I think rather than fat but so annoying when you want to wear tight clothes and not have people think you're pregnant.

I spent yesterday writing a job application. I decided its time I stopped thinking that maternity leave is round the corner. I don't think I stand much chance of getting this particular job but it feels good to be thinking about something other than ttc.

Waves to everyone.

akuabadoll · 08/10/2012 09:41

Nice to 'see' you Mrsd you are right of course failing to respond to emails is a world wide problem and one that makes me nuts. I have a friend that has not replied to an email I sent months ago and in the mean time has changed her Skype picture a dozen times (baby photos naturally). The added layer here is that fancy websites are created and email addresses are set up, but the websites are not designed well and a lot of emails not actually used as t'interweb culture not really developed. It's worst than the sites and addresses not existing at all. Well done on the job application, I have to step up my act in that regard. By email perhaps.....

princesschick · 08/10/2012 10:50

Morning all,

Rabbit your weekend sounds totally amazing! And oh my that tart sounded amazing.

Buzzy thanks for the kind offer of the hormones. I'll see what they say this week. But I think I'll be ok :) Glad that you are spending quality time and cuddles with Kayla. How lovely. Hope you enjoyed your bottles of wine.

Doll Oh mini doll is too cute. Did he think the tampons were pet mice Grin I think your alcohol avoidance is genius! I really worried about alcohol avoidance before but I've been on and off teetotal (with some big offs) for the last 18 months, so no-one suspects a thing. And if they do I tell them that I had my two drinks allowance with someone else. Seems to work out ok. Your appointment is coming 'round soon. Excitement or trepidation?

Lemons it was a beautiful day yesterday. I went for a walk with Mum and Dad, looked at the sea, listened to the peace and quiet and we had our lunch outside, in t-shirts. It was really beautiful. Hope you enjoyed some exercise in the sun :)

Rum thank you. Hope you had a nice weekend :)

Artemis your family do sounds horrific. I've got one coming up in a couple of weeks. My mum has 7 siblings, most have a couple of kids and some of those have kids too. I think I'm eyed with suspicion for not having at least 3 yet. I'm dreading it, because it's in a couple of weeks and things could be over or because I'll be interrogated. At the moment, I just like being in the company of DH, myself or with Mum and Dad and doing normal stuff to take my mind off what's going on. I watched so much telly and ate so much food and slept well and read magazines and gossiped with mum that most of the time I forgot all about what's going on. Which is kinda how I like it, so that I can't stress out too much.

MrsD fingers crossed for your new job!

Sar so sorry about the rash. I second Doll on the Sudocream. I also find neat tea tree oil really useful for drying out spots. Or you could just pop a couple of drops in the bath, relaxing and a bit of the old tea tree magic may be just the trick? Poor you though. Hope you are feeling ok though. Your plan sounds good. Are you going to embrace any more woo soon? I'm thinking of going for some calming reflexology at the weekend and I have a life coach session tomorrow. Oh and glad that you are happy with the person you are seeing. I have no faith in the registrar we saw a few weeks back after he referred us for tests we weren't eligible for, didn't tell me to go for a chlamydia test before the HSG referral and caused no end of stress and inconvenience by not filling out forms properly. Your registrar sounds lovely. I'm actually quite shocked that there are not more lady fertility doctors / registrars. I do think they would be more sympathetic to the cause and less arrogant.

Critter hope that your appointment goes well today and you had a lovely weekend.

Euro your brownies sounded yum. And your exercise regime sounds full on! Well done you!

Loving the baking on this thread. Can't wait to get my baking things out in the new kitchen when it's done and get down with some Mary Berry. I love the Great British Bake Off, and it's nearly over. I reckon Brendan might win but I would prefer Dani to win. I like her. I liked Katherine more but she really fooked that biscuit week.

I did tell my folks but DH doesn't know because I don't want his parents to find out yet. And if he knows I told mine he will want to tell his. The first time we got pregnant told them to keep it a secret and they told everyone. I'm not strong enough for a repeat of that yet. Plus I don't want to be fussed. It's bad enough living here with my 'special' dietary requirements. Plus because I work for my Dad and expect to have lots of appointments, I really did need to tell him. They were thrilled, positive but not OTT because they know what we've been through. It was nice to talk to Mum about it though and they spoilt me rotten as it was just me and them and neither of the siblings.

Blood test tomorrow. I'm perversely quite excited. I felt really, really sick last night and my boobs are killing me. So I feel like it's all going in the right direction and I'm super relieved that I didn't have any spotting after the flight. Zita kept me company on both legs of the journey.

Right waves to everyone missed. I keep thinking about you all loads and in the words of one of my favourite diva's Miss Dusty Springfield, I'm wishing and hoping and thinking and praying for all of you (and for sea monkey the third - this is how I refer to 'it' and Mum thought that was hilarious and also quite dark too!!!)

Loads of love xxx :)

Ps only 2 weeks to the meet up... exciting!

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eurochick · 08/10/2012 11:49

Sarlat might a bit of woo help the rash?

I think buzz and I were seeing the same guy for the immunes stuff. His name is Shehata and his main clinic is in Epsom but he works out of Harley St one day a week. I'm glad I gave his regime a go, even if it didn't seem to do anything for me.

mrsd mine is definitely fat. It has stuck around too long to be water. I do think that the tide has finally turned and it is starting to come off. It is very slow though! I usually put weight on and lose it pretty quickly, but this hormonal, drug-induced weight is sticky!

Princess et al., I have bad news for the meet up. Mr euro's mum has decided to come to visit that weekend. She will be staying with his brother down in Dorset, but we will be expected to go down to see her. We haven't seen them for ages either. The timing is really unfortunate and I didn't know about it until after the flights were booked. :(

Hurrah for puking and hurty boobs princess.

Best of luck for your appointment critter!

princesschick · 08/10/2012 12:11

Oh rubbish Euro that's a shame. Next time though. I'm glad that the sticky weight is starting to budge. :)

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buzzybee123 · 08/10/2012 12:47

sar will PM you when I get home, sorry about the rash, sudacrem is a wonder

euro sorry you can't make it to the meet up, are you still going to Create on Saturday???

doll mini doll sounds totally adorable. The emailing thing is bloody pain though, just adds to the stress

princess glad you had a lovely time with your parents, I think its natural to want to tell your parents first, good that you have pregnancy symptoms too

critter how did it go today??

mrsd it can't hurt to apply for new jobs, you'll at least get interview experience if nothing else, fingers crossed for you

nothing happening my end, I'm hoping AF will turn up this weekend Hmm cd37 and counting........

rabbitonthemoon · 08/10/2012 14:40

Sad too many pregnant students has left me having a small cry in my office. Why is this so fecking hard. I saw about adoption parties on the news this morning and felt this odd inevitability feeling that I will never conceive and no one will ever be able to tell me why. I knew three full months if hopefulness would run out eventually Sad

akuabadoll · 08/10/2012 14:53

Hugs rabbit

rabbitonthemoon · 08/10/2012 14:56

Thanks akuba. Had a moment of true magnificent tumblewomb just then. Doesn't help the two year mark is looming. Good to not feel alone.

rabbitonthemoon · 08/10/2012 14:57

Thats why I stick to doll Smile

princesschick · 08/10/2012 15:18

Really sorry Rabbit Here have a Brew and and hug. Lots of loves. I believe it will happen for you. It will xxxxxxxx

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Poutintrout · 08/10/2012 15:32

Hello, quickly delurking to say hi and to send big congrats to princess. Wow and whoop Smile

I also wanbted to send big love to missm. I am so sorry to read your sad news.

rabbits I am sorry that you are having a tumblewomb moment. I am getting those everytime I watch fecking Eastenders and all the baybees on it. What the heck is an adoption party? I am imagining that it's not like an Ann Summers thing.

lemons hello lovely. Hope that you are okay.

mrsd Good luck with the job application.

sarlat I agree with mrsd on a viral rash. I have had this a couple of times when I have been really stressed and it was massively itchy.

euro You have my sympathies on the weight thing. I too am also still massive and the weight is impossible to shift. I am still following that fasting diet and I have lost nothing at all while MrP has shed quite a few pounds. I read online that fertility drugs like Clomid causes an average of 5lb weight gain per cycle and is very stubborn weight that diet and exercise can't touch. Fab eh. If I had have known I would have told them to poke it Grin

buzzy congratulations on furry baby!

gin I too am addicted to Great British Bake Off. It is the highlight of my week. I reckon Brendan will win too.

Lots of love and waves to everyone and sorry for not namechecking better.

eurochick · 08/10/2012 15:33

buzz yes, I'm still planning to go - to the 2pm session.

rabbit sorry about your tumblewomb moment. The 2 yr mark is looming for us too. Meh.

MuddyWellyNelly · 08/10/2012 16:41

You've dropped off my active convos again.

So CD1 here. IVF it is then Sad.

Rubbish post. So busy it's unbelievable. Catch up soon x

CritterPants · 08/10/2012 20:03

Hello hello everyone!

euro the brownies sounded amazing and I'm so glad you're pilatesing. I LOVE pilates, it's my favourite thing ever. You feel all graceful and poised afterwards. Speaking of which, when I want to shift a few pounds after Christmas, I go low carb (not no carb - just reduce the amount of mashed potatoes etc that I usually eat). I have a book somewhere by a guy called Charles Clarke which is Atkins-lite - he's all for full fat things but you can have a piece of fruit every day and toast in the the morning.

princess forgot to say that I absolutely loved hearing about the gay chihuahuas, especially when you described them as looking like lions Grin. You are hilarious. Good luck for your blood test tomorrow, and how lovely that you could share the news with your parents. I have everything crossed for you.

nelly a huge hug and sorry that you're on to IVF. We'll be here to hold your hand.

pout hello! Grin Lovely to see you.

rabbit Oh my poor love. So sorry that you're feeling so sad. It's ok to feel terrible and grieve, you've been such a trooper lately. Sad

buzzy this long cycle of yours sounds infuriating. Your IVF open day is next week though - that will give you more information. Hang in there and keep cuddling little Kayla.

doll love the story about little doll. I hope that when/if I have a little one he or she will be half as entertaining. What a poppet. The bedbugs on the face story is awful! Shock One of my colleagues in our NY office had a bedbug infestation - apparently it's quite common in NY. It sounded absolutely horrific. Annoying that your doctor won't answer emails. Hmpf. Angry

sar the soup sounds yummers. It's funny, I've been doing a lot of cooking lately too and am wondering whether this is something to do with trying to take my mind off TTC. It's creative, it's meditative, it's comforting - win-win.

gin ooh chocolate souffle. Your DH is a lucky man. And well done for having a nice time with your friend - it sounds as though you handled that brilliantly. And I'm glad you had some wine! Well-deserved I reckon. Besides, princess conceived on a month where some booze was imbibed!

lemon Smile at you being a cheap date.

mrsm hope you are ok.

artemis Nice that they make sure you've paid up first Hmm. Not fun at all. Good luck with the tests tomorrow - if this works, it will all be worth it. And there's every reason to be hopeful that it will. Open heart, as sar would say.

mrsden well done for doing a job application. It's great that you're doing stuff like that - takes the focus off TTC as the only all-consuming thing. I always feel better when I've done stuff that reminds me that I am more than just a baby maker in waiting.

eleuth hope all is well with your little bean.

rum hope the rearguard shag week is going well Wink

So my appointment this morning went well. I asked him about the bleeding and said that Dr Google had told me it was due to a drop in oestrogen and he said "Oh yeah, I went to med school with that guy." Grin and then he said that Dr Google was correct. MrC came along too, and it was the first time that they had met (they spoke on the phone once). The doc went through all my notes, which was awesome. He told me that I had three options - move on to IVF, do a 'blended' Clomid and injectibles cycle, or try to do another injectibles cycle at a really long, low dose. The second two options would be more of the same and my body might react unpredictably. He showed me my notes from my last injectibles cycle, where I was on 75 iu of gonal for about 10 days, and it showed that my oestrogen levels had actually dropped after a few days on the hormones, but then when we made a tiny adjustment and increased the dose to 112.5 iu, my oestrogen shot up and continued to rise very fast. He said this is common in women like me, who ovulate irregularly - nothing happens, the hormones flat-line, and then a tweak in the meds cause a big step change. In women who do ovulate regularly, apparently it's usually a steady rise. He said that as my insurance covers two rounds of IVF, 'it's a no-brainer'. I told him that my mum thought that my periods might come back naturally and he said that was unlikely, but he understood the influence that mothers had and so perhaps I could think about starting in November. He does long protocol, and said he'd want to watch out for OHSS in my case, as it is most common on younger IVF patients with irregular periods. Anyway.... me and MrC went for an early lunch afterwards and discussed it all. MrC wants to wait until the New Year, on the very very slim chance that my periods come back, so we would have no regrets, and so we know that every other option is exhausted. He said if I wanted to go ahead now, that would be fine with him too, but his preference would be to wait three months. If it was just me - if I were an amoeba that reproduced on my own - I would want to go for it now, but rationally I know that it's only a difference of a few months. So I think we're going to start the process in the New Year. I think will just suck it up and tough it out through the autumn and Christmas.

Whew, sorry for the mammoth post. Basically - I reckon it will definitely be IVF for us, but not for a few months. Oh, and the doc wants to send me for an HSG too, which is fine by me.

Waves and tail feather shakes to all.

rabbitonthemoon · 08/10/2012 20:23

I'm in the safety of my own home, have done yoga, had a bath and feel much better. Came home to discover pink spotting. This is odd, in that it's pink, not brown (prettier!?) and by my calculations of ov, I'm only 8dpo. But, my weepy attack today suggests perhaps I got ov wrong, this feels very hormonal. I have deduced my hormones are fucked. I ov at random and unknown days, my luteal phase is never the same and my cycles are currently irregular. Spending the morning with smug girls far younger than me who have planned their due dates almost to the day to be together, made feel hollow and horrible. In most aspects of life, I can aim to improve aspects of my body through sport/diet/therapy/cosmetics and so forth. I don't seem to be able to change my eggs. I have brown dieted a lot - it didn't help me, it just gave me a bad belly. I've taken all supplements and tried all woo. I've had a massive, deeply traumatic operation that I probably didn't need. There is nothing left now except treatments and this totally pisses me off. I don't know why some days it kicks you between the legs. I have almost no reason left to be weepy -I've looked the beast in the face a lot of times,it hasn't changed. But it totally and utterly sucks.

I want to say a very meant thank you for lifting me up out of a mini crisis today. Within an hour I felt not alone and supported and that is amazing. You are a lovely and very special bunch of people.

princess so glad you are feeling sick - wouldn't get to say that to many people! It's lovely you had that special weekend with your folks. I wish all god things to you, please don't go away.

nelly well that sucks. I'm so sorry. When I got my period before the op, I sobbed on my dad. But you know, this could be your last period for AGES! Just think how much more likely a bfp is next month. Keep going, one day at a time.

euro we are at very smiliar timelines I think. I quit contraception on November 1st 2010. Jesus. Makes me think I could well have done without it for years before that!

pout Thanks so good to hear from you, you are very missed. Ha ha not like an Ann summers party at all! Adoption still scares me a lot. My biological drive tells me I NEED to experience pregnancy. And have a baby, all baby smelling and cute. Observing my pregnant friends and, still having nasty scar twinges, I think eek. My boobs are still in good nick. I can glide past tena lady in tescos and I love my life, my weekends and my freedom. If only I could be rational about it a bit more and a bit more often.

Even here comes the bride has made me feel weepy tonight. For gods sake. Will stock up on Tampax tomorrow and keep on trucking.

Thanks everyone, luff you all.

rabbitonthemoon · 08/10/2012 20:28

X post critter wow that sounds like a thorough appointment. He sounds nice. I'd wait til new year, indeed I am! I so hope your mum knows best Smile

eurowitch · 08/10/2012 20:48

Yes, very similar rabbit. We hadn't used contraception in ages (just rhythm/withdrawal) but we started trying properly in December 2010. In fact (tmi warning) our first proper swi was on nye, when I happened to be mid-cycle. Because I had had what I still think was a chem preg 9 months earlier, I thought it might happen quickly, and I did have one day of nausea in January. And then I got my period on my 35th birthday and so it started.

I'm glad you're feeling a bit better now and I am reluctant to fuel any menkalling, but pink spotting at 8dpo sounds pretty good to me....

pout it's good to have you dropping in.

critter it sounds like you had a good appointment today and your dr has done a decent job of setting out options and giving advice but recognising that it is ultimately your decision.

Nelly sorry to hear about the arrival of CD1. Will you get an IVF cycle before the wedding?

sarlat · 08/10/2012 20:50

Sorry just a very quick post - Rabbit. Oh gosh, what a horrible day - preggy students you say, meh! Glad the ladies here have perked you up. Like others have said, you have lasted 3 months with an upbeat attitude, it is fine and dandy to have a wobble. The spotting and hormonal feelings sound 'interesting'. I don't want to start you off mentalling but this might not be a bad sign. In any case, hang in there. Well done on the yoga and warm bath to calm the nerves. It will all feel better again, I promise. But let us know how things are tomorrow.

CritterPants · 08/10/2012 20:55

rabbit a big hug and well done you for the yoga and bath. Always makes me feel better too. Grin and the pretty spotting! But seriously, I am so sorry that you're feeling so down. Boo hiss to the smug younger preggos planning due dates together. I'm really sorry if you've already said and I'm being an idiot, but are you and MrRabbit thinking about IVFing? You'd be in great company on this board. Wink On the adoption thing - I totally understand. It's a huge deal to adopt, and while it often works out beautifully a la little doll, who is clearly the pinnacle of child awesomeness, it's a deeply personal choice. The whole 'you can always adopt' thing pisses me off as it's almost always said by people who haven't adopted and therefore aren't qualified in my view to offer strident opinions on it!

eurowitch · 08/10/2012 20:57

Yes, very similar rabbit. We hadn't used contraception in ages (just rhythm/withdrawal) but we started trying properly in December 2010. In fact (tmi warning) our first proper swi was on nye, when I happened to be mid-cycle. Because I had had what I still think was a chem preg 9 months earlier, I thought it might happen quickly, and I did have one day of nausea in January. And then I got my period on my 35th birthday and so it started.

I'm glad you're feeling a bit better now and I am reluctant to fuel any menkalling, but pink spotting at 8dpo sounds pretty good to me....

pout it's good to have you dropping in.

critter it sounds like you had a good appointment today and your dr has done a decent job of setting out options and giving advice but recognising that it is ultimately your decision.

Nelly sorry to hear about the arrival of CD1. Will you get an IVF cycle before the wedding?

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