TTC or pregnancy on prednisolone or similar part 9

[sarahs999]

Oh dear - we reached 1000 posts on thread 8 without noticing! I hope you can all find this. THis is a positive thread for all those diagnosed with High or Very High NK Cells and looking to start TTC or already pregnant on Prednisolone and/or Intralipid treatment.

Newcomers very much welcome!

Links to earlier threads:

Part 8: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/a1492407-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-8#33842381

Part 7 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1452035-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-7

Part 6 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1419032-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-6

Part 5 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1391787-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-5

Part 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1366323-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-4

Part 3 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1348773-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-3

Part 2 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1323594-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-2

Part 1 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1236324-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar

Dr Gafar, that's the IVF chap I was trying to think of!

choccy just wanted to say sorry about everything. Sorry you have had another mc and now have D and V. It is at times like this that words seem so inadequate

I know the first trimester is a bit depressing at the moment. But I wondered if we should update the list. Partly because we are coming up to Xmas and I feel that we could do with some positive birth stories.

I have left myself on the TTC unassisted because awaiting NHS recurrent miscarriage clinic in Jan and then will be SO with Mr S.

The babies are arriving!
Stogan - V high NKC - cycle#2, DC#1, Baby girl Ellyson (DC1) born Sunday (EMCS) 11/03/12 7lb13.5.
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, Baby boy Franco (DS2) born at 39+0 on Easter Monday, 9/04/12, 8 lbs 12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks, Baby boy Arthur born at 40+6 13/05/12 3.66kg
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, baby girl Matilda born DC#2 ? 39 weeks (CS) 14/5/12 7lbs.
Igggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- Baby boy Thomas born (CS) at 38+6 16/5/12
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1 40+0 - baby girl Amelia born 7/06/12 (CS) 7lbs
Freelance - TTC#1 V High NKC Thyroid/hashimotos - 4mcs (4th on 1st Pred cycle), Hydroxy, Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest, . DC#1 - Baby boy Sebastian (ELCS) at 39 weeks 17/07/12 8.11 lbs.
Cheerfulcharlie - TTC#1 V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 40+1 wks EDD 24/07/12 Baby boy born 26th July, 7lbs 5. EMCS
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 38+4
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 41+1 - Baby born??!
FrozenNorthPole - RMC, NKC status unknown, Cyclogest, aspirin. Baby boy James born 29/08/12, 6lb and 6oz at 36+5
PQ77 - DC#2, 2 mcs, then DS, followed by 4 mcs - 6-8 weeks. V High NKC (BFP cycle one but mc) Jonty (Jonathan) Edward arrived by c section 10/09/12 4lb 15 / 2.23 kg 33+1 wks
Mercator - DC#2 V High NKC, (Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest) 4mcs (1 pre dd, 3 post - all at 6-8 wks) DD arrived by ELCS 14/09/12 7lb 2oz
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. ? baby here name?
Dunnit - V High NKC - , IVIG, Cyclogest and Clexane. baby here name?

3rd Trimester

HelterSkelter (IVF and immune therapy) 29+6

2nd trimester

Bertha337 - High NKC, 1 ectopic, 2 mcs, est 23+2
GreenOlives - TTC#2 DS followed by 2mcs, 1 ec, 1 chem. High NKC, Pred from BFP. 23+1
Delta10 - High VNKC, 5 mcs followed by DS Pred baby, 1 further mc. Est 23+1
sarahs999 - DC1 followed by 5 mcs, high NKC (Pred), plus clexane twice daily for Factor V Leiden and Prothrombin, aspirin, cyclogest, intralipids. 21+2 wks
Jemimapuddleduk (33). 3 prev mc's over last 2.5 years between 7-11. Not tested for NK but prescribed 20mg pred, fragmin, asprin and cyclogest on NHS. 19+5 wks
HavingKittens, 4mcs, 2 TOP TS21, 7th pg, 5th SO Cycle, VHNKC, 40mg Pred, Hydroxy, Intralipids, etc. 16+5,
Buster - 4 mc. VHKC (pred 40mg, lipids, clexane, cyclogest,aspirin) 14+0
Cate - DD followed by 6 mc, VHNKC 40mg pred, intralipids, 13w

1st trimester
Abney (44), TTC#2, SO 2, 6 MC No pred (2 chromosome, 4 unexplained), 1 DS Pred Cycle 1 & fragmin, 4 MC on Pred (1 fragmin),- super ov. 11+6

TTC ? ASSISTANCE - TTC 2ND or more
Pinkdragon - High NKC. Pred Daughter (after 4 mcs) TTC #2, super ov.
Arianrhod - TTC#2 DD then 6 mcs 5-9 wks (3 on treatment), V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxy) ? super ov
Brownstag - High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2 on Hydroxy, -super ov and DHEA
LJ71 - two older DCs, 7 mcs, 3 on treatment. SO, pred, hydroxy

TTC ? UNASSISTED - TTC 2ND or more
Iloveblue - under Prof Quenby for HNKC. 2 healthy boys, followed by 20 week loss, 2 early mcs, 15 week loss.
Willitbe - TTC#4 DS, DD, 1 mc, DS2, followed by 11mcs, (5-11 weeks). NKC not tested, TTC #4 (after m/c 12) Fertility cons prescribed pred.
Holldoll - TTC #2 High NKC - Pred, Cyclogest & aspirin. DS followed by 4 mcs, heart stopped around 5-6wk. Mc in March 2012 on treatment. Pred started at BFP.
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Mollieboo - 5 mcs, 1 DS (lost my little angel), high NKC - pred, intralipids, aspirin, clexane, cyclogest
Suemays - TTC#2. DD, followed by 6mcs all 6-8 weeks, one loss @ 22 weeks. V High NKC. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)

TTC ? ASSISTANCE - TTC 1st
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc, 2nd chemical on treatment/IVF - SO
duggs1976 - TTC#1 -4 mcs all 7-12 weeks. - TTC #1 ? last chemical on treatment/IVF in April. SO
BellyD - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, TTC#1, 5mcs, SO, hydroxychloroquine
Carebear1 - V high NKC
Coopde -TTC 3 years - thyroid issues, High NKC, ivf #1 Bfp m/c 5 weeks, ivf #2 Bfn. Seeing Dr G for more tests before trying frozen embryo. Meanwhile still 'unexplained' infertility.

TTC ? UNASSISTED - TTC 1st
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine). April - mc on treatment.
EchoJuliet, awaiting diagnosis, Preg 1 -MC 10 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6w), mc 20w, mc at 8 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6.5w)eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, pred cycle 6, had 3 cycles of Super Ov, now on 2nd cycle of IUI No BFP in 20+ cycles of trying
London - High NKC, April - mc on treatment.
picolina - TTC#1 4 mcs, all around 6 weeks. V High NKC MC on treatment
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
Gransol - Seven mcs - all losses between 6 & 7 weeks
SWLondonnanny - 8 early losses hydroxy, thyroid issues, family history of autoimmune disorders
ConeyIslandBaby - 5 mc around 6 weeks, normal NKC but on Pred, progesterone and intralipids on bfp

I think that's part of it too BellyD so they can closely monitor me and the embryos. And I guess only put decent ones back in.

Ari its a team effort. Mr S's immune programme inc Pred etc works alongside the ivf side which is led by Mr Gafar. Mr G has put lots of needles in me already as my veins are crap at giving blood or getting cannulas in so its only right I start paying to see him! I need to see Mr G early Jan. he'll advise what protocol/drugs/doses then.

Well choccy, you know what, I think if I had the spondoolies that's exactly what I'd be doing right now. I know it's not what any of us had hoped for, especially when, like you, you get pregnant fairly easily, but you know, if it works, what the heck! Your grit and determination is fantastic to see, even in the middle of MC hell, you are yet another inspiration to the rest of us :) Please do keep us updated with your IVF progress, I for one would be really interested to know how you get on.

On another note entirely, while being completely and painfully relevant to choccy, it struck me that here we are again in the run-up to Christmas and for the last two Christmasses I have been in the stages of a miscarriage. Wondering what, if anything, is going to happen this year, but here we are, third Christmas in a row without any joy. All our determination, researching, religiously being as healthy as possible, taking all the right supplements/medications/whatever, and no better off at the end of it all. Makes you think, really.

belly Just wondered how you're doing, too?

Just read this while reading about the rise in whooping cough ... for you pregnant ladies, have you been offered this? If not, go ask your GP, I would ..

In a move to combat the outbreak, health officials recently announced that all pregnant women are to be vaccinated against the infection.

Chief Medical Officer Professor Dame Sally Davies, the Government's principal medical adviser, said mothers-to-be will be offered the vaccination to protect their newborn babies.

Youngsters cannot receive the jab until they are two months old. Vaccinating their mothers before they are born will boost their immunity until they reach the age when they can have the injection themselves, she said.

Women across the UK who are between 28 and 38 weeks pregnant are being offered the vaccination.

Yes, my GP has mentioned this and I will have it when it's time. I've also been offered a flu jab, which I've been meaning to go for. Just waiting until I get this lingering cold I have out of my system first.

Ari, there's something about Christmas it seems. In the last 6 years my Christmas have involved the following events, Great Aunt dying and her daughter having her funeral on her own without telling anyone, OH's Dad dying, finding out I was pregnant on Christmas Eve only to loose it a month later, having a miscarriage just before Christmas, loosing my Mum, this year, the anniversary of loosing my Mum and dealing with my beloved Grandma having lost most of her mind. Roll on next Christmas..... hopefully we will, at least, have something to be smiling about.

Hello!!
Sooooo sorry to hear your news choccy It must be so frustrating, especially as you get pregnant so easily. I was going to have IVF before this pregnancy as my local consultant thought that would be be our answer. He wasnt a firm believer in the steroids so was just going to give me intralipids. Thankfully I got pregnant naturally and luckily with the steroids and intralipids I still am. A friend of mine who had 4 early miscarriages had IVF and carried a little boy to term!! She was never tested for NKC so didnt have any of the treament but for whatever reason IVF worked for her!!! Hopefully it will for you

xxx D

Great news on your 20 week scan kittens

Thanks ari I have heard about the new vaccine. Ive just had my flu vaccine too! Hope that christmas and the new year brings you something very special!

Hello to everyone else!

xx

Thanks Buster. How many weeks are you now (did I get it right)?

Not heard from Abney for a while. Are you lurking? How are you doing?

The list is so behind I have no idea where anyone is anymore! I've not updated it as it's been so quiet on here, I thought it was starting to look like an abandoned thread! I will have a go, based on how far I am since the list was updated. Apologies if I get any wrong! Maths and hormones don't seem to be a compatible mix.

The babies are arriving!
Stogan - V high NKC - cycle#2, DC#1, Baby girl Ellyson (DC1) born Sunday (EMCS) 11/03/12 7lb13.5.
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, Baby boy Franco (DS2) born at 39+0 on Easter Monday, 9/04/12, 8 lbs 12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks, Baby boy Arthur born at 40+6 13/05/12 3.66kg
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, baby girl Matilda born DC#2 ? 39 weeks (CS) 14/5/12 7lbs.
Igggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- Baby boy Thomas born (CS) at 38+6 16/5/12
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1 40+0 - baby girl Amelia born 7/06/12 (CS) 7lbs
Freelance - TTC#1 V High NKC Thyroid/hashimotos - 4mcs (4th on 1st Pred cycle), Hydroxy, Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest, . DC#1 - Baby boy Sebastian (ELCS) at 39 weeks 17/07/12 8.11 lbs.
Cheerfulcharlie - TTC#1 V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 40+1 wks EDD 24/07/12 Baby boy born 26th July, 7lbs 5. EMCS
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 38+4
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 41+1 - Baby born??!
FrozenNorthPole - RMC, NKC status unknown, Cyclogest, aspirin. Baby boy James born 29/08/12, 6lb and 6oz at 36+5
PQ77 - DC#2, 2 mcs, then DS, followed by 4 mcs - 6-8 weeks. V High NKC (BFP cycle one but mc) Jonty (Jonathan) Edward arrived by c section 10/09/12 4lb 15 / 2.23 kg 33+1 wks
Mercator - DC#2 V High NKC, (Pred, Intralipids, Cyclogest) 4mcs (1 pre dd, 3 post - all at 6-8 wks) DD arrived by ELCS 14/09/12 7lb 2oz
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. ? baby here name?
Dunnit - V High NKC - , IVIG, Cyclogest and Clexane. baby here name?

3rd Trimester

HelterSkelter (IVF and immune therapy) 34+4

2nd trimester

Bertha337 - High NKC, 1 ectopic, 2 mcs, est 28wks
GreenOlives - TTC#2 DS followed by 2mcs, 1 ec, 1 chem. High NKC, Pred from BFP. 27+6
Delta10 - High VNKC, 5 mcs followed by DS Pred baby, 1 further mc. Est 27+6
sarahs999 - DC1 followed by 5 mcs, high NKC (Pred), plus clexane twice daily for Factor V Leiden and Prothrombin, aspirin, cyclogest, intralipids. 26 wks
Jemimapuddleduk (33). 3 prev mc's over last 2.5 years between 7-11. Not tested for NK but prescribed 20mg pred, fragmin, asprin and cyclogest on NHS. 23+6 wks
HavingKittens, 4mcs, 2 TOP TS21, 7th pg, 5th SO Cycle, VHNKC, 40mg Pred, Hydroxy, Intralipids, etc. 21+3,
Buster - 4 mc. VHKC (pred 40mg, lipids, clexane, cyclogest,aspirin) 18+5
Cate - DD followed by 6 mc, VHNKC 40mg pred, intralipids, 17+5w
Abney (44), TTC#2, SO 2, 6 MC No pred (2 chromosome, 4 unexplained), 1 DS Pred Cycle 1 & fragmin, 4 MC on Pred (1 fragmin),- super ov. 16+4

TTC ? ASSISTANCE - TTC 2ND or more
Pinkdragon - High NKC. Pred Daughter (after 4 mcs) TTC #2, super ov.
Arianrhod - TTC#2 DD then 6 mcs 5-9 wks (3 on treatment), V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxy) ? super ov
Brownstag - High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2 on Hydroxy, -super ov and DHEA
LJ71 - two older DCs, 7 mcs, 3 on treatment. SO, pred, hydroxy

TTC ? UNASSISTED - TTC 2ND or more
Iloveblue - under Prof Quenby for HNKC. 2 healthy boys, followed by 20 week loss, 2 early mcs, 15 week loss.
Willitbe - TTC#4 DS, DD, 1 mc, DS2, followed by 11mcs, (5-11 weeks). NKC not tested, TTC #4 (after m/c 12) Fertility cons prescribed pred.
Holldoll - TTC #2 High NKC - Pred, Cyclogest & aspirin. DS followed by 4 mcs, heart stopped around 5-6wk. Mc in March 2012 on treatment. Pred started at BFP.
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Mollieboo - 5 mcs, 1 DS (lost my little angel), high NKC - pred, intralipids, aspirin, clexane, cyclogest
Suemays - TTC#2. DD, followed by 6mcs all 6-8 weeks, one loss @ 22 weeks. V High NKC. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)

TTC ? ASSISTANCE - TTC 1st
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc, 2nd chemical on treatment/IVF - SO
duggs1976 - TTC#1 -4 mcs all 7-12 weeks. - TTC #1 ? last chemical on treatment/IVF in April. SO
BellyD - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, TTC#1, 5mcs, SO, hydroxychloroquine
Carebear1 - V high NKC
Coopde -TTC 3 years - thyroid issues, High NKC, ivf #1 Bfp m/c 5 weeks, ivf #2 Bfn. Seeing Dr G for more tests before trying frozen embryo. Meanwhile still 'unexplained' infertility.

TTC ? UNASSISTED - TTC 1st
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine). April - mc on treatment.
EchoJuliet, awaiting diagnosis, Preg 1 -MC 10 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6w), mc 20w, mc at 8 weeks (heartbeat stopped at 6.5w)eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, pred cycle 6, had 3 cycles of Super Ov, now on 2nd cycle of IUI No BFP in 20+ cycles of trying
London - High NKC, April - mc on treatment.
picolina - TTC#1 4 mcs, all around 6 weeks. V High NKC MC on treatment
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
Gransol - Seven mcs - all losses between 6 & 7 weeks
SWLondonnanny - 8 early losses hydroxy, thyroid issues, family history of autoimmune disorders
ConeyIslandBaby - 5 mc around 6 weeks, normal NKC but on Pred, progesterone and intralipids on bfp

Thanks for the info Ari I have my WC jab all booked for a couple of weeks time. Had my flu jab a few weeks ago now too. Busy week for ante-natal stuff next week I have a growth scan on Monday to see if im growing a giant like DS! and the a GTT on Tuesday which im really not looking forward to - being NBM and hanging round at hospital for 3+ hours is not going to be fun! Really looking forward to seeing baby again on the scan tho, it feels a long time since 20 weeks!

Meant to say that Christmas seems to have been a sad time for a few of us over the last few years. 3 years ago Id just had my first miscarriage a week before Xmas then the following year I miscarried on Boxing Day. Last year I was just recovering from the ectopic when I was amazed to get a bfp on Xmas day - only to start bleeding 2 days later (CP). For what its worth I never thought in a million years that I would be heavily pregnant this Christmas so please, please don't give up hope ladies - next time might be lucky and I so hope it is for each and every one of you who are TTC. Xx

Hi All, sorry not to have posted for some time but having extreme jealousy issues with our eldest, another of those unsaid mothers secrets. Little Emilia is doing well at 11 weeks now.

So sorry to hear your news Choccy and Belly, I do hope you manage to get through this tough time.

Sue, pleased to hear you had positive news which should not affect further pregnancies.

I hope you all have a much better 2013! I concur with GreenOlives in that I had my year from hell last year and was so glad to see the back of 2011 having had 3 mc's and then a breast lump scare. So was terrified to discover I was pregnant in January but here I am a year on and I can truly say that the heart ache has finally left. Just wish I could do more to inform our GP's in terms of referring for this treatment. I know it doesn't always work but for me I'd given myself 2 more attempts as I was 43 this year and that for me was it but here I am, so do hold on to a bit of faith that you may just get there.

Kittens, fab news on the 20 week scan. Sorry not to mention everyone but not totally up to speed on the board.

choccy I'm so so gutted for you. I'm so sorry that it has happened again. And d&v to boot. I am surrounded by friends who have had successful ivf pregnancies at the moment. I know ivf is tough but you've already been through so much already I know you will get through it.

kittens wow 20 weeks that is fantastic. I know that with your history even with your good amino (or was it cvs?) the 20 week scan must have been incredibly nerve wracking.

merc - poor you. I have been very lucky that with a nearly 4 year gap ds1 does not view ds2 as any kind of competition, just some kind of sad tiny doll that can't do anything useful. I am also lucky that as ds2 is still so little I can walk around breastfeeding him on one arm leaving one hand free to turn pages of book, play Lego, tune tv to Disney channel etc for ds1...

Just to echo what olives said...this time last year I was at home refusing to go to Christmas parties and turned off the lights and hid in the basement when the neighbourhood carol singers came around. I was so low and couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. So much can change in 12 months. i really wish everyone on the thread the very best of luck for 2013 xxx

Morning ladies .. well I have the answer to what is this third Christmas likely to have in store for us, and that's a big fat bugger all. 12dpo of 6th SO cycle and absolutely nothing. Will be taking the next cycle off SO as just can't afford it right now, so starting 2013 with my 45th birthday and now thinking what the hell am I bothering to keep trying for. Think Mother Nature is telling me something, I'm all out of positivity.

choccy Hope you're doing ok, and /waves to everyone.

Hi all, can't write as much as I'd like as I am a whizz on the laptop but less good here on the iPad, however just wanted to say how sorry I was to hear about your miscarriage choccy. It's very very unfair and very sad. Sorry too Ari that you're feeling so low.

Nice to hear from others including you Merc! Glad to hear all going well although the jealousy thing must be hard to deal with.

But as someone who has been fortunate enough to have had a pred baby like you and also PQ I can say the same about 2011. It was such a terrible year and it's amazing how life can change so quickly in just a very short time when a pregnancy finally goes well. Having had three pregnancies in a row with just a couple of months in between two miscarriages I feel I was pregnant for so long.

But I guess what I mean to say is that although some of you are as thankful that 2012 is over as I was 2011 was over, it can all change really quickly. This time last year I was terrified - I remember thinking that the gap between being say 7 weeks pregnant and 8 weeks pregnant felt like such a gorge to cross. The idea of still being pregnant st 16 weeks when I was due to go on holiday in February (that holiday was as far as i would let myself look ahead) seemed just impossible. But there I was however many weeks later. I had the eight week scan with Mr S the week before last Christmas so essentially Christmas was a very stressful time last year. But like I said, these things can change quickly. A successful pregnancy is really only 8 months by the time we know about it. This time next year could hopefully look a lot different for all of you.

I saw PQ last week which was lovely and was so pleased to meet the new addition to the PQ family. Extremely cute! PQ, also good to hear of all those ivf successes. I know I have friends I am very very hopeful will have the same success. Here's to a good 2013 for all of you.

Hi all sorry haven't posted for a very long while and I am sorry to hear about the recent mc's. I used to post on my works Blackberry but they have now blocked access to the site. Just to add some positive news to the thread I will be 17 wks pg tomorrow and I know it is going to be another boy. I can't believe it that I have got this far. It could be down to a lucky egg or down to the treatment programme. This time intralipids and hydroxy were added into the mix. Last Christmas was bad for me as well. Found out on my birthday that the heartbeat had stopped and then ended up in hospital on the 1st of January having a blood transfusion.

Kittens thanks for asking after me and congrats on the 20 wk scan. Thanks also for updating the list.

For all those 6th time SO's the SO did not work for me but the 1st natural attempt did. I used an ovulator stick and dtd as and when advised and hey presto it worked so don't give up and Ari I am 45 in 2 weeks and so many people tell me that 'their mother' had them at the age of 45. I hope you continue trying. I will keep my fingers crossed for you and all of the other ttc's.

Abney, woo hoo for 17 weeks and another boy! That's great news. Kittens I think I might have forgotten to say a similar woo hoo for the 20 week scan! Really so pleased for you.

I know there's good news and bad news on the thread all the time but I do hope you pregnant folk continue to feel you're able to come here and chat too as I know what support it can be to have people who can relate to what you're going through.

Free - lovely to hear from you too!!!

Abney - fabulous news a huge congrats!!

Ari, so sorry to hear your so low and hopefully Abneys news is positive from an age perspective!

PQ, are siblings sound a similar age gap as mine is 4 next week, can't believe it but I am hopeful that the jealousy thing which resulted in horrific tantrums and being house bound are on their way out. Now the delights of a birthday party for 10 little girls, god help me on Saturday and then Christmas, help!! Not to mention a nativity play to which my dh expected me to make an outfit which I amazingly did, and I am no see stress, now worries my dd looks like an old sack next to all the shop bought lovely things! Eek.

Interestingly we all seem to be having same sex siblings I do wonder in. H. Ind if I couldn't carry the opposite sex, probably makes no sense but I do wonder, would welcome anyone less views.

I would so wish for another but feel incredibly blessed and probably now is the time to hang up the towel but a tough one knowing the heart ache to get this far.

PQ howis your little man getting on?

Pse forgive my awful spelling, it's the blessed iPad! Ugh

I am another one who is feeling very low and despondent. I am waiting for my 2nd period to turn up so that we can try again but it is nearly 2 weeks late. I know I am not pregnant so it must just be my hormones going wild. I feel like I will never get another baby and like ari maybe it's someone trying to tell me to stop. Once again I face another Christmas feeling sad. This time last year I was pregnant but lost it on jan 3rd. Scarlet was my 8th loss so how many more can I take? I feel like I have been pregnant for nearly 3 years now as its only been a couple of months between each one.

Oh sue I so feel for you, you of all people have reason to be sad right now. I don't seem to have much hope for myself, but for you I have double doses - if anyone deserves a break right now it's you. Hormones take an age to settle down especially after you've been 'properly' pregnant as you were, but it's so very hard to play the waiting game. I'm sure you've already thought of it and possibly done it, but is it worth visiting your fertility acupuncturist (you went to an acupuncturist before, didn't you?) to help settle your body and hormones down, and boost whatever needs boosting? If nothing else it might help you feel a bit better in yourself. Big hugs to you.

abney Huge congratulations, and thanks for the positive message. I'm in a bit of a quandry, really ... head tells me I'm being stupid, I've been pregnant 6 times now in 2.5 years with most of those early miscarriages, and if that isn't telling me my eggs are knackered, I don't know what is. Part of me thinks spending £335 on SO every month just to get 2 follies' worth of eggs (that are likely both duffs anyway) is utter madness, but part of me says what price a chance? Heart, of course, tells me to keep on going, it only takes one egg, surely there must be at least one egg left that's good ... you all know the scenario. I just don't know. Perhaps I really am kidding myself. abney So you're exactly 3 weeks older than me, my birthday is in 5 weeks. I'm so glad you caught that good egg yourself!!

/waves to everyone

Ari I am still having acupuncture weekly and he has told me not to worry too much as it can take some time. He said my body probably still thinks its pregnant. I just have no patience at all and just want to start trying again - I worry about my age too as will be 41 in April. I would keep trying until next Christmas if I were you but maybe not on superov as I think that just increases the anxiety (it did with me anyway). I keep hoping that my killer cells are still low after this pregnancy and that they havent got even higher than before.

Abney congrats on getting so far - another one who makes me want to keep trying!

Just out of pure curiosity, I just worked out some statistics. I am getting pregnant an average of every 3.4 months (not that it's doing me any good!). The 'national average' for a woman in her 20s is 5 months; 30-35 around 9 months, and over 35 one to two years.

I'm not sure if that tells me (or any of us) anything useful, and of course there are probably as many 'national averages' as there are people who create a theory, but still ... I'm not sure if tha tmeans that if I keep going, eventually the law of averages has to be on my side for a good egg, or if I'm just grasping at straws!