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Greetings sisters [puts flowers in hair]

Bring your very best woo & let's see if we can magick up a few baybees (insta-differs not allowed).

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Ooo, I missed a birfday, Happy Belated one Bugs

lemon hope today is ok for you.

It's my wedding anniversary today, 4 years. Unfortunately HWHNN is in Paris and I'm stuck in East Anglia . We're going to have a meal out tomorrow night, so that'll be nice.

How are you feeling today Norf? Has the drug kicked in yet?

Happy anniversary, frankel. At least HWHNN is in a nice romantic anniversary location...

No noticeable effects from the drug at all. No pain, no bleeding. A sma bit of brown gunk that I was having anyway. I'm slightly concerned that this means it isn't working,but we will see what the blood test says on Saturday. If the HCG doesn't drop they might press for more surgery, which basically means removing the tube (I can't see how they could locate and remove the tiny bit of residual tissue), which would leave me tubeless. I know this is unlikely, but I've had bad luck on each turn of this so far :(

Hello BESHes.... happy belate birthday bugs and Happy Anniversary Frankel.

Last night The Mister and I seriously went to the most bizarre ante-natal class ever. The woman taking it would appear to be a bit of an island treasure, and came out with some classics such as...

?I much prefer pregnant vaginas, they are a magenta pink colour and I had a ball gown that colour once?.

I massively lost the plot at one point, mainly when I caught the eye of this guys sitting the other side of the room. Apparently the classes only get better/worse!

Happy anniversary to FSR and happy burfday to bugs!

Dor that sounds brilliant!

Think positive thoughts Norfy. Your HCG WILL drop.

Happy anniversary frankus, enjoy the dinner tomorrow.

Thinking of drizz.

norf, I'm a bit of banana cake for breakfast!

It's all gone now, havealittlecake. Quite embarrassing, considering AMNH has been at work all day and it was untouched this morning.

Happy anniversary FSR and belated happy birthday bugsie!

And at the lady's preference for purple diffed vaginas...

Hmm banana cake, can you send some over here, norf?

The bean is definitely dead, but the MC has not started properly yet (you could have fooled me, I've been bleeding for days). So I get to choose the evil foo-pills or waiting. The yolk sac had schrunk from 8mm to 5mm, so apparently too small for D&G. So we went out for big fat burger lunch and will be drinking lots of wine tonight.

Can I ask those having gone through MC before what they would do? Intervention or waiting?

I'm so sorry to hear that drizz Please look after yourself at this time.

Sorry again lemon, words really do feel inadequate

So, as I predicted some time ago, the girl in my office (different company but we share a building) has just announced she is 13 weeks along with her second. She announced her first pregnancy just as HWHNN and I were starting to try, so it feels like a bit of a kick in the stomach from the universe.

I'm torn about telling her my situation. I don't want everyone knowing my business, but at the same time I don't want her thinking I'm angry/upset with her on those days when I can't bear to see a bump.

Just trying to hold it together long enough so that I can go home for a good cry

So sorry lemony even though you knew it was likely, the confirmation of bad news is always awful to bear. Both times I went for intervention - I couldn't bear the uncertainty of waiting. First time D&C (was a bit further along) and second time medical management. It was far from pleasant but at least I knew I was going into hospital on a specific day and at the end of that day the worst of it would be over. Also you get better pain relief in hospital if you make a point of asking for it - I had gas and air when the main bit was happening and if you go natural at home you may end up with nowt better than cocodamol.

However if you are already bleeding then it may not be too long and you may think that the wait is more bearable. I had nothing more than spotting and I could have been waiting for weeks. It's down to personal choice at the end of the day and what feels right for you. I personally needed it over with as soon as possible.

Aw lemonyone, I'm so so sorry it wasn't a miracle outcome, even though the possibility of it was always slim.

I've never had a miscarriage so have nothing to contribute on the advice front, except my driving thing has always been how soon can I ttc again, so if the foofoo drugs come with some sort of six month toxic sechsban I might be more inclined to let it happen naturally.

Very sorry lemony :(

Why is this all so hard? Am wallowing a bit for les BESH tonight.

My sis has started TTC again. Anyone want to run a sweepstake with me?

I call instadiff.

Should add that it's been three months since she started. In all fairness etc.

She said it was taking longer than last time. I was all sympathy, obviously :)

Damn. Would have bagsy-ed instadiff. I'll go for 4 months. Long enough for her to confide in you how worried she is it's "taking so long"

Sorry for everyones woes. Have nothing to add to anyone as never had to go through an ectopic/miscarriage. I've brought a bag of langoustine heads to throw at you all though.

Can I ask for a bit of BESH wisdom? What is ewcm? I mean, I know what it is, but why do we make it when we do? Is it hormone shifts? I only ask as I appear to be getting it again. On approx cd 80ish (maybe. Maybe more). Obviously the sechs is happening, but why do we make it when we do? It might be comforting to thing my hormones are doing something, even if it is topsy turvy.

He he. X post. I can read these fertile folk like a book.

Shag, Sinky, SHAG! It's hormonal innit? It helps the spermz swim north.

I may have "hostile mucus". The humourless consultant told me so.

I think it has something to do with oestrogen, sinky.

I know it mimics semen and spermies like swimming in it.

sinky from my understanding the increase in EWCM is triggered by a rise in Lutenising Hormone - the same hormone that triggers ovulation. The EWCM is to provide a sperm friendly environment: it is thin and therefore easy to swim through and also contains proteins to help nourish the spermz on their journey.

[studying horse breeding has its uses]

A quick google says me and euro are both right on the hormone front. It is the combination of the two hormones surging that start the body creating the EWCM.

Quick tip - if you google EWCM you will get pictures of other womenz mucus c/o Google Images [ick]

Hmmm. My LH is always massively high (think of a normal level, times by 5, add a bit, and you're getting there...), so not sure it's that in this case!

The shagging commenced 3 nights ago at onset of pant activity.

It's very disconcerting all this hormone stuff

Thanks for the warning fsr..

Oh god. Googling it finds me some random forum bints discussing ewcm as a sign of early pregnancy.

When did you last POAS, sink? Come here and present your kidneys for a punching, dearie.

I understood it creates a friendly environment for swimmers, almost like a ladder they can climb up when the time is right. Triggered by hormones, yes.

It is so grey and mizz. I want to stay in bed!