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TTC for 10+ months, part 9

997 replies

akuabadoll · 10/08/2012 12:52

Ladies, number 9. The lucky one.

OP posts:
lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 08/09/2012 13:23

MissM congrats on getting that second line. So far, so good. You can take over the lucky-number-nine thread title.

Here, it is over. Cramping and the first red blood, and I feel totally different hormonally. i thought I had no symptoms, but now they're going/gone I can tell there was something totally different. So, I bought myself some flowers and am about to do a marathon watching series, drinking tea and eating chocolate. This is so shit. But I still have the "at least we can get pregnant" thought to help me through easily the worst weekend of TTC.

MissMedusa · 08/09/2012 13:49

I'm so sorry lemon

Cosmos1 · 08/09/2012 14:06

Lemon, you can get pregnant, you will get pregnant again. Sorry for the shitness now. Big hugs.

princesschick · 08/09/2012 14:13

Lemon having been through exactly the same thing twice, I can tell you that this is the worst part. I found that keeping doing really gentle things (a walk to the shops, looking at the sea, going to the park, going to a farm shop etc etc) interspersed with staying at home, hugging DH, crying and grieving really helped. I'm so utterly sorry for you. It's really, really shit. But it does get better with time. I promise. I'm out and about this afternoon but do PM me if you want to talk / ask any questions. Lots of love to you and Mr L. xxx

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 08/09/2012 14:35

Thanks for being lovely. And princess it sounds like we have naturally the same coping strategy. I bought gorgeous dahlias on the market this morning, was out and about in the sun. And now huddling at home. I'll be okay, but this does feel SHIT.

Frannieannie · 08/09/2012 14:40

Just having a catch up read of the week and lemons I am so, so sorry for you and MrL. Feel terribly sad for you and it's so hard to know what to say. It is just not fair. Am thinking of you lots and sending massive hugs xxxxxx

As is often the case on this thread, there are such highs and lows on this (cringe) 'journey'. missm congratulations on the BFP. sounds like you and MrM have had some horrid luck at the start of your married life, so I hope this is the start of a positive and happy time for you.

Thanks for all the advice last week on the holiday. Haven't had time to find out more but will soon. Next IUI is next week but am ovulating about day 28- metformin seems to have delayed it. Great news is that nephew's tumour is not secondary as originally feared. His first course of treatment went well. Lots more to come but he is a very brave boy.

Lots of love to everyone xx

Cosmos1 · 08/09/2012 14:42

Lemon, you can get pregnant, you will get pregnant again. Sorry for the shitness now. Big hugs.

Cosmos1 · 08/09/2012 14:44

Oops stupid phone.

buzzybee123 · 08/09/2012 15:06

lemon I really am so sorry. Look after yourself and have plenty of rest. Take time off from work and most of all grieve, this really is the shittiest thing that can happen and no matter what others say it is a loss of a beautiful little thing that you and your DH created and wanted so much.
Don't worry about the rest of the world as I can assure you it just carries on. Don't rush back to work, I did the first time and regretted it, people have very little understanding of this kind of thing and will be short on sympathy. You need to look after yourself and Mr L. Like I said before if you want to chat I'm here, maybe at a later stage look at some of the miscarriage boards, I found them a great help as they are people who totally understand.

medusa big congrats, but stop with the shitty internet cheapies and mentalling and buy a CB, you'll feel so much better about it when you actually see the words :)

coco My only concern about moving is the care I would receive for my high nk cells other than that I'd move tomorrow. If I was Mr B I'd be sick to death of it all. I really feel for him having to apply for jobs and then have interviews, I think I would find it demoralising. Sorry about the spotting, it can drive you insane

princess Grin at being at the Ritz and your little cousin, my monkey book arrived today :)

gin crap you are at work on such a lovely day.

teu super big hugs, a very good friend of mine just got married back home, and the first thing that went through my mind was 'what if she has a baby before me' :( I don't even know if they want kids!! Too scared to ask. What music practice are you delaying ??

Ladies I don't mean any offence by my post to lemons as I know some of us have been in her shoes and you are all wonderful and supportive, but I did find the miscarriage boards really helpful.
Well I'm putting some stuff up in MIL's loft while she is away :) have decided to put my 'baby box' back up there Hmm I sometimes wonder why I keep it. Then I'm planning to have a BBQ and kick off shag week, hope you are all enjoying the sun

buzzybee123 · 08/09/2012 15:22

sar it would be nice to think things would improve for us but i think that is just wishful thinking, you'd think after 3 years things would improve

CocoAndNuts · 08/09/2012 16:17

I'm so sorry lemons
I remember feeling numb and sort of empty and I still mourn the loss now.
Time off work is very important, mostly for your head. The mc boards did also help me but mostly I vegged out at home and ate a crap load of pasta.
After two weeks I started to feel normal again and like yourself found it comforting that at least we managed to make something even if it didn't last.
Big hugs and look after yourself. Thanks

Poutintrout · 08/09/2012 17:39

lemons I can't believe that you are going through this and want to scream on your behalf that it is so unfair. It sounds stupid but I have been thinking about you often over the last couple of days and wish I could do/say something to help you. If you want to vent please feel free to PM me. I am home all day and would be happy to natter and keep you company.

Lots of love to you X

Medusa Wow and congratulations. If it helps put your mind at rest I have had evaps on internet cheapies (last month actually) and I got them on 2 tests from the same batch. They are fairly distinct, noticeable and equal thickness etc but have absolutely no colour and do over time disappear. It does sound to me like your lines are proper!!! I also went all over the internet reading about IC tests and they are notorious apparently for giving faint positives even when other tests show a whopper of a line.
As for ectopic, I understand that shoulder pain is a massive thing to look out for rather than abdominal discomfort.
Hope my witterings help.
Congrats again.

Frannie Good news on your nephew. So pleased to hear it.

sarlat I like your fostering a couldn't give a shit attitude. I can manage that for the first half of my cycle...well after AF has settled in! I don't actually feel too sad, just accepting of the reality of (not) getting a natural BFP at this point in proceedings. That realisation has actually helped me a lot & I have pretty much zero expectation for this cycle. But it's okay because it means I can relax and not symptom spot, or frantically count the cycle day or countdown to likely ETA date of AF.
Your hair sounds ace BTW.

buzzy sorry that MrB has work woes too. Additional stress really is difficult to work through.
Sad at putting away baby box. It's temporary you know.

princess Get you at the Ritz. Is it as nice as I imagine? What are the toiletries like and what's in the mini bar?

Hello to everyone else.

joycep · 08/09/2012 18:58

oh lemons, I am deeply sorry. There aren't any words at this time. As others have said the mc boards are helpful.But take your time to grieve. Life can be so cruel sometimes. THinking of you and Mrlemons.

whispers to missm - wow , that all sounds very positive so far.

frannie - i am so pleased to hear that things are looking up for your nephew. Kids can be incredibly resilient and brave.

pout - the zero expectation helps me a lot too. I wonder whether I have been coming to some sort of acceptance of my situation recently. I managed to sit with a very heavily pregnant friend last night and look through her scan pictures and then got a tour of her fully decorated nursery and i didn't feel anything. Perhaps it's where I am in my cycle of perhaps mentally I am just so far removed from ever believing i will have that. It kind of helps with dealing with the emotions.

princess - not jealous of you at the Ritz at all Wink!

waves to everyone else.

CritterPants · 08/09/2012 21:06

I am so sorry lemon. Be gentle with yourself. Thinking of you.

MuddyWellyNelly · 08/09/2012 22:02

Lemon I'm so so sorry. It's too cruel after everything you have already been through. But MrLemon is very wise. You've done it once. You'll do it again. Sending cuddles and wine and love to you both xx

pout/joy I'm not yet at zero expectation, which is ridiculous given my situation. I am 12DPO. Did a piss-stick this morning, Arctic white of course. Followed swiftly by spotting. But I STILL keep thinking maybe I'm pregnant. Fool.

buzzy I'm so sorry for job stress, between yours and MrB looking. It must be hard for both of you. You'll get there though.

Teu you sound very very down too :( I'm sorry the preg announcements are still stinging.

frannie thanks heavens for a chink of light with your nephew. Kids are so bloody tough. Fingers crossed it continues to be good news.

missM Ooooh. Ummmm. What shall I say? Very well done on the second line??! Grin. One step at a time, eh!! I so hope it continues on to the next step. We went to Niagra Falls once and MrN insisted we stayed in this crappy HoJo's with a red heart shaped jacuzzi bath Hmm. We had ridiculously sleezy uncomfortable farcical sex in it Grin. A long time before TTC though.

princess Oooh the Ritz! Sounds lovely, enjoy. I too would like to know what the toiletries are . Sounds like the therapy went very well. I didn't find the deep relaxation put me totally under. I'm worried that I won't be able to get the full benefit of the horrendously expensive treatment. Next one for me is Monday. Oh the steam mop - it's a mop but it also becomes a hand-held so you can use it for windows, dusting, garments, kitchen surfaces etc. Works very well on hard floors. Cleaned my kitchen cupboard fronts well. OK on carpets. Cleaned a very dirty kilt Wink. But didn't get the marks on my curtains out (which were, to put not too fine a point on it, cat wee. I love my cat to bits but oh, this is a horrible habit of his and costs me a fortune in dry cleaning); but then I realised I only had it on the lowest setting so might try again.

OK going to post this then if I have the energy I'll post about the various appointments I've had recently.

MuddyWellyNelly · 08/09/2012 22:54

OK so where do I start? Well I think I talked a bit about my first Hypnotherapy session. This week has been busy though.

Monday night was my final reflexology session - that's been one for each week of my cycle. They are certainly relaxing and my spotting started much later this month so maybe doing something? Not pregnant yet though Wink.

Then Tuesday I went to the other clinic. Again I think I've touched on this but to expand. OK so even though my AMH is low this doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to stop ovulating. The age my Mum went through menopause is the most telling and the doc reckons there is at least another 5 years of good ovulation based on this. As I think I said before, Flare protocol is recommended. The doctor was much nicer than the other one, was much more positive albeit did check I was aware that I'd likely not respond as normal, but there was no talk of not doing it. Again think I said this but I was heartened by the report via the Lister guy that odds were good over a few cycles. Just need to raid the bank account then. He also said that age was still the best indicator of egg quality. Which doesn't entirely help me, given I'm no spring chicken.

Thursday morning I had my first accupuncture. Again have briefly touched on this. Main thing was to try to put on a few pounds as perhaps my body doesn't think I can cope with pregnancy. I'm not entirely convinced as my body knows I am freakishly strong (little choice with the random hobble chores I have to do!) but I'm going to try. Of course the 8 hours of physical labour I undertook today probably offsets the 50g of pistachios I ate Hmm. But I'll give it a go. She also said she was a fan of teh AMH test (really???) as it gives woman information that allows them to make informed decisions. Hmm ok I half buy that, it's certainly making me get serious asap; but like critter's sister it's no use if you aren't in a place to start your family, and only serves to worry. She said the clinic I am now using have a good reputation.

Then the NHS appt on Thursday afternoon. This was actually quite enlightening. We saw the same consultant as I'd seen at the very end of my first appointment 4 months ago. He was actually very nice. We had 3 female docs in the room with us who were going to be GP's, and they wanted to learn a bit more about fertility medicine. I found that very heartening actually. So firstly he asked if any change. I told him about the AMH which he said was maybe slightly worse than anticipated, but we'd had a hint with the high FSH. But he didn't send me away to adopt Wink. So the main thing is, we have good sperm and there are still eggs, my tubes are clear, so he was at pains to point out that there is a chance every month. Nice to have the reminder. I asked the obvious question about why it hadn't happened yet. Previously they would have done a whole barrage of tests to investigate, including things like PCTs but the end result was usually the same - IVF. Then we talked about that being quite a big jump. He said the 6 scottish clinics all got together about 4 years ago and statistically analysed a huge bunch of couples who were seeking treatment. They had about 200 in each tranche, doing either nothing, Super Ov, or IUI. There were no differences in the pregnancy rates of all 3 groups - the only measurable difference was in their satisfaction. ie the more that was being done (IUI) the happier they felt. He also said that the no 1 reason for not getting pregnant was sperm issues. 2nd was unexplained. And for those people, they "get pregnant" (direct quote) with IVF. Not a promise of course, but again nice to hear confidence rather than doom. We talked a bit about protocols and he surmised that mostly, you'll get the result you are going to get, and that the protocol won't be the biggest factor. But this makes me happier to be going for the less invasive version. This was in the context of the clinic we are using, in that they try to tailor the drugs based on the AMH level, but he didn't think the science was actually that far advanced yet. what else? Oh yes the rest was about NHS treatment. So good news is that the wait list in our area has come down to 12-18 months. Bad news, you can't go on until you have been trying for 3 years, you are entitled to 2 cycles but any you have paid for privately come off that Shock. However there is a possibility that firstly the Join The Queue time will come down to 2 years, and secondly that they'll remove the restriction on paid cycles counting against your NHS goes (it's pretty bloody unfair really). So we'll keep an eye on this as it might mean in a year or so if paid rounds haven't worked we are able to have a couple of NHS goes.

Towards the end we were generally chatting about the fact that women who come in know so much, and that is why the other docs were there, but he said they'd all looked alarmed when I started talking about Flare protocol Grin.

Sorry that was very long! Really just wanted to note it all down to remind myself of it. I do feel more positive, albeit when this spotting turns to CD1 I'm sure I'll be in the pit of doom again.

TeuchterWahine · 09/09/2012 03:54

buzzy I feel for MrB's job situation. It's so tough, and whatever they say I think men really feel it. MrTeu certainly did. Sad at putting away the baby box. I really hope it won't be for long.
I play the harp goes with the halo Wink
nelly After the chats she and I had when she mc, I thought she'd let me know direct than letting me find out second hand. I expect too much from people sometimes, makes for big disappointment when they don't measure up. MrTeu said perhaps she didn't know how to tell me Hmm
I'm supposed to be borrowing a steam mop, might give it a go on the cat stains (courtesy of the neighbours feline).
frannie That's good news for your nephew.

Sun is shining here. MrTeu is taming the hayfield/garden. Waves to you all.

Cosmos1 · 09/09/2012 07:50

Teu I would find that hurtful too.

Nelly thats really interesting and helpful to read all that. Can I ask about how you work out how many good years of ovulation left based on mothers' menopause?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 09/09/2012 08:49

Sorry teu stuff has been rubbish and I'd find that disappointing too! Love the image of mrT taming the hay, though...

Nelly lots of interesting info from the consultant. In an odd way I am looking forward to our appointment next week, I really hope they'll guarantee me a baby now I've shown I can get diffed. And like cosmos I am intrigued by the calculation of time left from mother's menopause. Mine had a perfect baby (now strapping young man) when she was 39.

Thanks for all your thoughts and support. Of course in a mind-fuckery way of TTC the bleeding stopped again yesterday. And now it is sort of starting again... And I am going through periodic bursts of wailing, which will be interesting when I am at work tomorrow. I have not taken time off yet, as I find being busy is good, but if and when it does start properly I'll run home. Sort of thinking about telling my line manager, as she's bound to find out later down the line, because there will be time off for sure in the next week or so...

mrsmellow · 09/09/2012 09:23

Hi all
lemon I am so very very sorry. It is utterly shit. And I agree with others that you really need to grieve this baby that you have lost and whatever happens in the future, this baby will always have been part of you and MrLemons family. And it is positive that you've been pregnant. And we all hope that when you're ready you'll be pregnant again with the perfect lemonetta baby. And I think telling your line manager is a good idea, then if it becomes too much, you don't have to tell her then, but can just say you need to leave - is she sympathetic?

MissM congratulations. I think that having pain around this time is more common than we realise. Fingers crossed for the next few weeks. obs/gynae consultants would recommend that we don't test until 7-8 weeks (i.e. 3-4 weeks late) because tests aren't always positive and I guess because of testing at 4 weeks picking up relatively common chemical pregnancies.

nelly NHS appointment sounds really useful and positive. Thanks for telling us what they said. I could look back to see how old you are, but I heard you have to be under 35 (I'm creeping closer like an SAS soldier approaching a dangerous target Hmm ). And didn't realise your wedding was so soon -lots going on in the next few months!

teu I agree perhaps she doesn't know how to tell you. This time last year when I was still an optimist and in the early months of trying, I was already trying to work out how to tell a good friend about my hypothetical pregnancy - she's had multiple miscarriages and failed 2 rounds of PGD IVF....now I'm thinking of calling her to ask advice about IVF as I feel like we'll soon be in the same boat...

buzzy so tough having all of these stresses re jobs etc as well as everything else. What field is MrB in? Could he do some training to maximise his chances for interview etc? MrM will be looking for work when we return to the UK next year and I'm really dreading the whole process. It is very demoralising. Not to mention the tedium of application filling in...

frannie great news about your nephew, paediatric oncology outcomes are much better than adult outcomes. Where is he having his care?

I'm sure I'm missing others, sorry.

I had a bit of a shit week - the tiredness of the op/anaesthetic and the sorrow of the blocked tube caught up with me mid-week and DH was away and I had a couple of nights of sobbing myself to sleep and generally feeling very tearful and shit all day - along with a really tragic funeral on Friday of a 55 yrold husband of a colleague who dropped dead last weekend. She has 2 kids, 21 and 25 and everyone kept saying how good it was she had the kids and I selfishly kept thinking, shit, shit, what if we don't have any and DH or I am left alone Sad
Then yesterday I had a baby shower Hmm with 9 other lovely pregnant or 'with small babies' ladies. All second pregnancies incidentally.....Going on about when they found out and who they told etc. All very lovely but they don't know my story and how I didn't sob all over the lot of them is a testament to some inner strength I did not know I had! Just need to find it more often. Smile

Anyway, had a big chat with DH about plans and I think we're going to have a couple of months 'off' rather than diving into IUI or IVF just to see if I ovulate - because in theory, if I do on my own, then having one blocked tube isn't the end of the world and I should be able to get pregnant on my own. I just wonder if despite not ovulating spontaneously prior to the stimulation, I might just have kickstarted it now. Damn this optimism.... I just wonder if my ovaries didn't know what to do after decades a few years on the pill - anyone know anything about this? Smile
Also we are going on holiday to a malarial zone in October so might just enjoy that rather than be mid-something! I might not check in to MN too much in an effort to just live life for a bit (but doubt I'll be going cold-turkey so am sure I'll keep reading and say hi intermittently!) Grin

MuddyWellyNelly · 09/09/2012 09:49

I don't think the menopause bit was an exact science. He just said its the best indicator. I'm 38. (sob). My Mum didn't go into menopause till her 50s as far as I can recall, which doc said was quite late. So really it was just a reassurance that low AMH doesn't mean you are at the bottom of the well quite yet, which was backed up by mum's history. I don't think there is remotely enough research done yet for this to be a calculation as such.

Sorry for headfuckery lemon. This is going to be yet another test of strength for you, by the sounds of it. Sad. We're all here for you.

mrsmellow bedtime sobbing is no fun, especially when alone. But a holiday sounds great, and I always feel better when I've made any kind of plan.

Another POAS this morning, another cruel whiteness. They were out of date though (oh the torment of seeing that) so were probably wrongWink. Still very light spotting so maybe Woo has helped a bit? Due tomorrow. Always fun for a Monday. Sigh.

Poutintrout · 09/09/2012 17:35

lemons So sorry for the headfuckery, like this isn't hard enough. Something that keeps going round my head when I think of you is "this too will pass". Not sure that is will help but I find it comforting.

nelly sorry about spotting. As I have said before I fecking hate spotting, 'tis neither one thing nor the other and so not conclusive of anything.
Your NHS appointment sounded interesting. I was particularly interested in the stuff about the studies with SO, IUI and nothing.

Also the fact that your consultant said that with unexplained IVF will work. That is basically exactly what my consultant said when I was there last asking her to tell it to me straight about the bleakness of my situation and crying like a loon Maybe we have to just believe that IVF is the magic bullet afterall Wink
Ooooooh about the steam cleaner. Does it do carpets and couches? I want a zoomba so I can set it to hoover while I'm out walking the hounds and hence avoid the usual hoovering debacle that involves Big Dog launching himself at the hoover while I try to pump squeezy cheese into his mouth to divert his attention. Utter bloody chaos!

teu sorry about the insensitivity of others. I can relate (the recent 6 month family announcement, not even from the parents, still hurts like hell and makes me feel like a knob) and sometimes I can't believe the thought process behinbd such decisions. On what planet is that better? Sometimes I think 99% of the population is incapable of walking a mile in a barrens shoes!

mellow hugs at feeling so down. If your ovulation is kickstarted then you know there is every chance that the finger of luck will hover over you. I genuinely believe that.
I totally get the fear of being childless and husbandless.

Poutintrout · 09/09/2012 17:37

oops roomba....zoomba would sooooo not be my thing Grin

rabbitonthemoon · 09/09/2012 20:00

Ha ha pout the thought of you chasing your dog with squeezy cheese has made me laugh. My rabbit also follows the Hoover which is surely not a good prey animal instinct.

I have lost track and fallen behind. Apologies for not name checking everyone in advance.

lemon lovely, words on the net really don't seem adequate. Im so sad that this is happening for you, what a total mess with your brain affair. It must be horrendous not knowing what is happening. It sounds as if you have been very kind to yourself this weekend and you need loads more of that. I hope you feel able to talk to your boss. However this plays out, you have the ability to conceive and I hope that is of comfort. You have been in my thoughts a lot this weekend.

nelly I like the sound of that doctor and will replace all other information in my head with that. It was interesting to read, thank you. It is good you still have hope. You read far far stranger stories of conception. Why wouldn't it happen to any of us on here?

teu that sucks about the announcement, I'd be fed up about that, hope the sting eases quickly. I'm staring down the barrel of a gun of one. Pah.

missm congrats on conception Smile any updates?

mrsm sorry for the crying. I do think GA is very lowering to the mood for a while after. Hope you're ok.

joyce I too am in an almost total state of acceptance that I'm unlikely to conceive without some help. I almost feel like that was something I tried at a while ago and failed at, like a driving test! These days when I see baby stuff in the shops, it doesn't occur to think I might ever need any of it. I can talk to pregnants with no feeling that it might be me one day. This is objectively a little sad but actually it feels quite a lot better.

princess hello ritzy! Your lamb stir fry got me all ginger stir fry inspired in the week. Tonight it was pulled pork which was in the oven for 6 hours and very tasty. Hope you're ok and friends with your chimp!

Wave to the rest of the festival goers buzzy artemis sarlat et al.

Nothing of note to report here. I have no idea what dpo I am as I don't know when I ovulated, other than it was late based on ewcm. Temps put me at 12dpo according to futility not my friend. So fully expecting spotting to greet me on a Monday morning. I've had no pmt but I didn't last month either. Shouldn't grumble I guess! I feel breezy about the whole shebang. Subject to changing my mind about that in the next 48hours. I had a very lovely day with mr moon yesterday all sunny in the city.

MuddyWellyNelly · 10/09/2012 07:54

Yes pout, carpets too. I did chuckle at both the squeezy cheese image, and also at a bunch of crazy exercise ladies doing your hoovering. Would it be like a shake n vac ad ??? Grin. Know what you mean about the magic bullet. It's hard to see why it would work but I know it does. FACT. I will def be doing both acu and hypno with mine though. Most of the anecdotal success stories I know (personally - sister, friend at work etc) all did the acu with their successful cycles.

Spotting was still mega light when I got up so did an expensive FRER test. One line. Meh. I have Internet cheapies on order, plus cheapy OPKs and preseed. Still not officially CD1 here but can't be far away now.

Anyway seeing hypno lady tonight so fx she cheers me up.

rabbit I've seen much better docs this last week which is always nice Smile.

How are things today missm??