TTC Super Ovulation part 2

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hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Thanks ladies but many more pre-AF cramps unfortunately, and I know these of old :(. Will find out for definite tomorrow but pretty certain I know.

Oh ari I do hope not but I'm with u on the intuition side. I'm 8 days post 3 day transfer not a hint of a second fekkin pink line I even did 2. is early b4 my official test date but last IVF I got a v faint line at this stage. ( fat lot of good it turned out as both failed soon after!) ohh to get off the starting blocks.
Good to hear from u " breezy"!

Aw ladies I'm still hoping for you!
Thanks for explaining ARGC don't think

I could have ivf so far away? Why isn't mr shehata doing it if you don't mind me asking? I had awful day yesterday I found the rabbit dead no idea how :( good luck all I'm hoping af stays away for you! Did anyone else get bumpy itchy sk

Argh phone!!!!
Skin whilst on progynova?? X

De lurking, congrats kittens it must be a huge weight off your mind. Good luck for Friday.
Jaffa - congratulations also

Well I have just had a chemical following stimulated IUI, totally gutted. Now have to wait as partner is away till end of October. My ovaries are a mess following the stimulation - they scanned me at my local yesterday and did bhcg. Not sure I want to continue with supernov.
I never. Thought I would get so desperate for another child.

Anyway good luck duggs, keeping fingers crossed for you

oh sorry to hear about the chemical..did you get a BFP then a negative ?
And the rabbit?

Was thinking about the central London meet up we are planning for Sat 27 October? Perhaps Southbank as pretty central for everyone who can/wants to attend.

Crikey it was almost a year ago I joined here and we had few meet up's last Autumn/Winter..

So sorry holl to hear of the chemical, it's absolutely cr@p when that happens :(

duggs I have to believe the old maxim that 'every pregnancy is different', although I do exactly what you're saying and compare "well at this stage in my other pregnancies I got a much stronger line" etc etc. I have been told so many times that just because you got a strong line at 12dpo on pregnancy number x, doesn't mean you will always get a strong line at 12dpo in future pregnancies. I've never believed it though, and that's a problem for me!

And on that note ladies ... help me out with a dilemma please. I tested this morning as I was due to, 14 days past trigger shot (I'm not going to say 12 dpo because I'm not convinced I didn't ovulate before the 36 hours after the trigger shot, so god knows when I did actually ovulate at this stage) and ... got a BFP. But don't jump up and down with excitement for me, because the line - although not faint by any means - isn't as strong as the control line and ... yes, you guessed it, on previous "real" pregnancies I've always had a very strong line at 12 dpo.

So .. I have a clear line, but it's not as strong as I want it to be. Do I then jump into action and ask for intralipids tomorrow on the premise that a line is a line ... OR ... wait and see if it turns out to be yet another chemical pregnancy? I've had three of them already and they've always had a fainter line than this one, but as I say, the two what I consider to be "real" pregnancies I had, I had a very strong line at 12 dpo. £300+ is a hell of a lot of money for me to throw away on intralipids if a week down the line it all ends, being a CP - but at the same time, being VHNK perhaps my body would kill the fledgling embryo off within a week if I wait? I just don't know.

I have upped my pred to 40mg, but I'm really in a dilemma, I just don't know. I've never had a 'real' pregnancy that had anything other than a very strong line at 12 dpo, whereas I've never had a strong line with a CP. And I was getting major cramps last night that I always get prior to AF - they cannot be implantation cramps, since implantation would have been a few days ago for me to get a clear line this morning.

Why is nothing ever straighforward for us???

mel I should say, Mr Shehata - or rather, one of his colleagues at the clinic he's at, anyway - does do IVF, I believe.

Ari, my lines were really feint until about 14 or 15 dpo. And although I had very definite implantation/drilling feelings this time (but haven't had them with all of my pregnancies), I also had very strong AF feeling cramps as well when I thought AF was due. Why don't you go and get a digital test and do the trying to hold your wee for 3 hours for a second test. Or use it in the morning. They always seem to manage to get people in for intralipids at very short notice because of this exact dilemma.

Duggs, don't forget that last time when you got a line at this stage you'd had more than one embryo transferred. Maybe the fact that it was only one this time means that it will take a little longer for HCG to show up. I don't think I've ever had a line at 8dpo.

Holldoll sorry to hear about your chemical. Especially after IUI, what a let down. I don't blame you for wanting to take a month off. It can be quite refreshing to have a month where all of this doesn't consume your mind and body. It's so hard on us ladies!

Mel about your bunny. I'd be in pieces if that happened to my cat.

Yes, it's true that they do IVF at New Life. I think they also to the Array CGH too which is, I believe what Duggs had. That's where they test the embryos for any chromosome problems before they implant them.

Thanks for all your cheer about my results. I know how hard it is to be enthusiastic about others' pregnancies whilst struggling to conceive. It wasn't long ago that I was a fellow "long termer". Just holding out for Friday now. Still having some twinges from where they put that bloody huge needle in me. Even though the odds of miscarriage are only 1:500 I'm still wary about relaxing just yet. I had a bit of a scary moment when he was doing the test. It was really painful and I jumped and my right leg kicked up. NOT a good thing to do when there's a giant needle so close to a tiny foetus. He said that the baby was OK but that moment has been haunting me ever since!

Thanks kittens .. I actually called Louise this morning to talk it over with her and she said we should take it that it's a 'real' pregnancy. Hmm. Love her positivity, and very glad for it, but I just wish I could feel some of that positivity myself! I'm so painfully aware that at my age CPs are more commonplace than 'proper' pregnancies. Louise's comment to that was along the lines of, I've had 3 CPs now, hopefully the odds are in my favour this time. Hmmm again.

To be honest, I rather want to steer clear of any more pregnancy tests. The last 5 pregnancies I've done test after test and it just stresses the hell out of me trying to analyse is the line lighter or darker than the last test. Louise did say do another test the morning of whenever intralipids are booked for, but I'm even in two minds about that - if it's fainter than this morning's, I will just tear my hair out. The way I figure it, if it's a CP I'm going to know about it in the next week anyway, I'll get the usual brown spotting.

One thing that I am a bit relieved about, I asked Louise about Clexane and she's agreed to give me a prescription for it. I've asked Mr S before about this, and he has always said it's not necessary - I am homozygous for the MTHFR mutation and pretty much every other consultant here and in the US prescribes Clexane if you're homozygous (and quite a few for heteros too), but Mr S doesn't. Now while I do have complete faith in Mr S - I wouldn't still be with him otherwise - I just really want to dot all my is and cross all my ts, if you know what I mean. Louise's take on it was, well it can't hurt, and she's sure Mr S will be happy to prescribe it if I want to take it, even if he feels it won't make any difference. He's actually out of the country until Monday, so she's sending me a prescription for now and once she's spoken to him, if he's really against it she'll call me. I can't say I want to inject Clexane every day, far from it!!, but I just don't like taking the risk. I know I had my DD with absolutely no medication whatsoever and she was fine .. but there's always the 'what if' angle.

Did you all get in for intralipids the day following your BFP, or did any of you have a few days inbetween? I don't know whether to ask for ILs tomorrow, or wait for Monday.

duggs I'd definitely second what kittens said - do remember last time you had two implanted embryos, and hence double the hCG in your system - so no wonder you got a line earlier.

I was 4 +3/4 I seem to remember when I had my first intralipids. If you have them on Monday we might run into each other. I'm having mine at 1.30. If you can get in before then it might make you feel more at ease though. One one hand I can see what you mean about spending the £350 and then having a chemical but then if you do it the other way round and have a chemical you might wonder "what if I'd had the intralipids earlier?" The clinic will tell you if it's crucial to have them asap or whether a few days will make any difference.

Oooh Ari, I've got all my fingers crossed for you. I so hope this is "the one" for you.

Thanks kittens, crossing my own fingers here too! I'm not sure I can go through yet another CP :(

Well I called the NLC about an intralipid appt, intending to ask whether it's ok to wait till Monday (I will be est. 16 dpo then) because I am in the 'very high' NK cell range, and as luck would have it, all options are on answerphone! So I've emailed them, and will leave it all in the lap of the gods .. or the internet, anyway! :)

Give Cheryl a call too. I called and left a message for an appointment at NLC on Monday lunchtime and still hadn't heard back from them by Wednesday morning. When I finally caught up with them yesterday they said "The reason we hadn't called you back is that you need to call Cheryl first to get a prescription sent through to us". Why they hadn't called me to tell me that rather than expect me to bloody read their minds is beyond me! So, I'd say call Cheryl and then hassle NLC as they seem to be a bit rubbish at calling back. I think one of the girls who deals with appointments may be on sick leave too so there's a bit of a breakdown in communication.

Ah, thanks kittens. Louise actually said she'd send the prescription through for me this morning, but I think I will call them again this afternoon if I haven't heard back. Their voicemail announment does advise to email them, which I have, but again no response yet.

sigh .. I got hold of NLC finally (they didn't answer my emails!) and they said they would not make an appt without the prescription, which they said they don't have. Contacted Louise again, she faxed it to them this morning! Communication breakdown indeed ....

Oh wow Ari, fingers crossed for you now and hope you get that darker line. Maybe there is something in what Mr S says about it bring more likely to work cycle 4-6....

Have my follie scan Monday at Harley St for round number 5

Duggs as Kittens said last time you had two embryos and both implanted so your hcg levels would have bend higher. It is still early days yet so don't give up!

Ooh ari these are good first steps! I say go for intralipids! But I know it's hard to believe it at this stage. An we well know the pain of CP. thinking of you xx

Ari really hoping this is it for you. I agree with you taking the clexane. I am homozygous for mthfr too and recently saw Dr G for some additional tests whilst we were on our erpc enforced break and he said I should def take clexane for mthfr if there is a next time. In fact the only pregnancy that we saw a proper heartbeat for a couple of weeks was my 4th when I was taking clexane.

Duggs hang in there, 8 dpo is still v early.

Is this another eve primrose and starflower bfp???!!

Aw my word I go to work and congratulations are in order!!
Fingers crossed.
I have my month 5 scan on Monday too!! X

Not quite jaffa, I've been taking 1000mg starflower oil for many many years, didn't feel the need to add more GLA than that :)

So 2 lots of month 5 follie scans and 2 lots of intralipids for Monday are in order then. My we are a busy lot! I decided I will do what Louise suggested, I'll test again Monday morning and heaven help me if that line hasn't got stronger by then, my head will explode.

belly Oh now that's interesting abou the clexane, thanks for sharing it. Is there any knack to using it or is it the same as the Ovitrelle injections? And is it expensive, do I have to shop around or can I just nip to Boots?

Thanks for the cautious congrats all .. I confess, I'm trying to find a way to go to this intralipids appt (assuming the line gets darker, I'm trying not to contemplate that possibility right now) without telling anyone at all, not OH or my boss (which itself is actually impossible since I have to ask for the time off work) since I don't want anyone to know in case it does turn out to be a CP. Well, anyone apart from you guys of course, but you all understand!

Just thought, duggs when is your OTD? Somewhere around Monday??

Ok. . Feels like some momentum on this thread! Like kittens said, I'm really grateful for the enthusiasm. I do know what it's like to be on cycle 5 of super ov (and cycle X??! of trying) with the grind of hormones, scans, and testing. I have everything crossed for those of you scanning on Monday.