TTC Super Ovulation part 2

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hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Just sticking in my head to say I might join you soon. I am currently miscarrying my first ever pg, after the first round of SO + IUI.

So glad all well at your scan Jaffa, you and Kittens are giving me some hope that this could actually work. Having said that unlike you ladies have only ever got pg with assistance so hoping super ov is enough assistance!

It is difficult to know what to do for the best Ari, drives me nuts sometimes. Have generally been ok on the pred but have been having a hectic time at work as I deputise in my managers abscence and somebody in my team not pulling thier weight. Fit really frustrated today and had to go in the toilets as was about to burst into tears after swearing, is very unlike me to cry at work apart from when going through miscarriages. Have started on the starflower oil so hope that helps! As soon as I stop the pred I am covered in spots in various places and my hair is crap!

Loveslemon I am so sorry to hear you are going through a miscarriage and find yourself on here. Please feel free to have a man if a rant, the ladies on here are very understanding.
Do you mind if I ask if you are also being treated for high killer cells like the majority of us? I have never been pregnant naturally only through ivf so understand how frustrating it is.

Hi ladies just want to add I popped back to London womens clinic to discuss frozen embryo transfer and dr there who has joined from ARGC to set up recurrent mc clinic told me dr taranissi prescribes 5 to 10mg pred upto bfp so think it is def researching. 25.mg pred each cycle attempt is pretty hardcore I believe. .

So sorry to hear this lemon drizzle :( xx

Also meant to say sorry you missed dtd Mel, hopefully we have already done enough this month. Must be tricky with your dh getting up so early.

Interesting re the pred Duggs, whats the plan for your frozen cycle re drugs etc?

Aw thanks the latest I've ovulated is 18 I think and we last dtd cd 20 so fingers crossed. I've not heard from him all day he's away tonight and won't see him til 9 tomorrow :( fingers crossed for us pebbles. Last day of steroid tomorrow so hoping she stays away!! X

Oh so you are due to test very soon then Mel if you ate taking the last if your steroids? Good luck!

Thanks Hun yes its tomorrow :/ eeeekkk thanks xxx i hate it when I get a blank strip and end up waving it at every window for a glimpse of pink!! Please stay away af. When are you testing hun? X

loveslemon sorry you are miscarrying.

mel good luck with the testing

I will just wave to everyone else

Ari I meant to say has Mr S not repeated your NK count. He did mine after the last miscarriage to find they had gone up further. So now I am meant to start on 40mg from BFP. Made me feel that it was routine to check it every once in a while

loveslemon Welcome to the thread, but sorry it's because you're miscarrying. You're among friends here, hope things get better for you soon.

pebbles I know exactly where you're coming from. It all gets a bit much every so often, and we're supposed to 'carry on as normal' in all other areas of our life. It's nuts, I do feel sometimes like there are about 3 or 4 of me each trying to fill a different role, each with its own stresses. You can almost start to understand why some women snatch babies - not that I'd ever, ever advocate that of course!!, but you can almost understand the desperation that leads them to do it.

duggs Now that's interesting info, thanks for sharing it. I did do a bit of research trying to see if anyone gives only 5 or 10mg from ovulation and if that worked for anyone, but I couldn't find anything useful. Or rather, I found occurrences of it, but it was for IVF patients who didn't have high NK cells, it was just as a part of the general IVF procedure. So I can't decide whether it's worth even trying, or whether it would just have a disruptive effect for no good reason. And yes, as pebbles asks, are you looking at doing a FET cycle then?

lemon Well he did, but after my 4th miscarriage in December, after I'd been on both 25mg (and then 40mg) pred for a few weeks, which was before I started on the hydroxy. My activation had come down, as you would expect since I was still on pred, but the total count had shot up through the roof. That was when Mr S put me on the hydroxy. But no, they haven't been checked since, and given the cost of the test I haven't asked for it to be repeated, much as I would love to know what they're doing now.

Guys, if anyone is buying Letrozole in the near future, Asda just charged me £2.50 for it. Which is even better than the £4-something they charged me last month! £31.38 for the Ovitrelle, which isn't so nice, but still.

Hi kittens it was measuring 9.5 on Monday, so I should be 10 weeks today! Stats say a HB at 10weeks gives you a 0.6% chance of mc, which is reassurring, though I really don't think I'll feel certain until (all being well) that little blighter is screaming in my arms! My next scan is also the scary nuchal on Sep 27 (day after yours) at FMC. I decided not to go on the Wednesday, mostly because DH is a journalist and his press day is Wed, and he can't spare half a day really, so we're doing it on the Thursday. I have the NHS one the next day. Interesting re. boys. We did a long runup when we conceived, so I'm sure we're still at a 50:50 chance. I don't mind a boy or girl - just a live one, preferably healthy! I don't know if I have moonface but I CERTAINLY have moontummy making me look like I'm 5 months at least, when I KNOW it's pred bloating.

Interesting update, duggs. On the pred/AF front, I'm on pred only from BFP as I'm borderline NKC and begged Mr S not to put me on it before BFP as my sleep is so bad (and boy is it worse since pred). So I think I'm relieved I wasn't on the pred during TTC! Also lemon on the NKC levels, mine were High around my last miscarriage, but Mr S restested them a month later, and they'd gone down to 'borderline', so I think it's worth letting pregnancies leave your system before testing. Expensive though! I know they give '10mg max' to hyperemesis sufferers, so I agree that 25mg is hardcore

ari that follicle scan doesn't sound bad at all. I had ONE measly follicle measuring 15mm, which wasn't very hopeful, and that follicle is now a massive ovarian cyst having cranked out an egg that has made my little embryo! So don't write them off! Fingers crossed!

loveslemon I'm so sorry you've been through SO and IUI only to now be miscarrying. Look after yourself. As others have said, you're amongst sympathy and understanding here. And without wanting to trivialise the huge disappointment of a miscarriage, it's very good to have conceived on your first SO cycle, which might give you a bit of hope for the future. But obviously right now it's just so sad. Thinking of you.

pebbles re. the stress mixed in with hormones. We're just raging hormone farms going through all this, and it's a bloody miracle we manage to hold down any semblance of normal life! I hope the evening primrose and starflower works its magic. You poor thing.

mel thinking of you as you pee on that stick tomorrow!

ari great tip on the letrozole, though I won't be needing it again (if this one mc, it's adoption for us!).

lemondrizzle, sorry to hear you're going through a miscarriage. I never know what to say because I know how empty all the platitudes can feel when you're going through that sheer feeling of despair. There have been a few people on the "pred thread" who miscarried the first time on the treatment but then went on to have healthy babies, and I know someone personally who has, despite miscarrying on the treatment, also had 3 (!) children on the treatment. So maybe that can give you some hope.

pebbles, I can totally relate to the shit hair & skin. That's pretty much been the case for me for the last 18 months. I just cut a load of my hair off as it was just so fuzzy and horrible. I was at my auntie's on Monday and one of her dogs is on prednisolone and his coat has gone all matte and fuzzy and I just looked at him and said "I know how you feel mate!" And the overwhelming frustration and rage which can creep up on you. It seems like a very unfortunate side effect of the treatment we have to endure considering we have so much frustration to deal with anyway, and then all the artificial hormones added to it. It's hardly any wonder you felt fit to burst into tears. It can all just get too much really. My OH often grumbles about me being grumpy and I have to remind him of all the factors that are really not helping at all. My fake hormones and frustration have now been replaced by raging pregnancy hormones and extreme anxiety instead, mixed with a higher dose of pred. So not much chance of a let up in grumpiness on my part!

jaffa, ah so you're 3 days ahead of me then. I have my next scan at NLC next Tues so I will be 10+3 then. I have my NHS Nuchal booked on 28th but having spoken to them yesterday, they said that if you have a private Nuchal you can't have an NHS one too. I could just not say anything. The only thing I'm concerned with is whether it would be a bad idea to have someone prodding about with my belly if I've just had a CVS. I wanted to try and move it by a couple of days so that I'd get a scan soon after the CVS to make sure it hadn't caused any problems but they couldn't get me in 'til much later and when I explained why I wanted to move it, that's when they said I couldn't have both. They did assure me that if I had it on the NHS it would be very thorough and that if there were any concerns they would refer me to the Fetal Medicine Unit for more detailed scanning but that would mean waiting and I don't think I can bear that. Not after the last two times. So I'll just have to fork out and see what the NHS midwife says at my booking in appt about having my 12 week scan there. How come you've decided to have yours privately too?

Good luck tomorrow Mel.

kittens have you booked a cvs? If there's v low risk will you still have one? I've not booked one and am assuming I can have one at short notice? Sorry I don't know already, but am I right in thinking give had two where the cvs showed problems? No wonder you're being cautious if so.

I haven't told the nhs re. private but I'm wondering whether to move the private one earlier in case of Cvs. Hmm. Ah it's just so fraught.

Aww thank you xx fingers crossed xx

I think they said there is the option to have one the same day if the odds come back high risk. I'm really not sure what to do at the moment. I have had terminations for two Down's Syndrome pregnancies (my 2nd and 3rd - this is my 7th so far). I had the Nuchal scans on the NHS and they immediately showed a thick nuchal fold so it was not looking good. They did a CVS for me the same day, although I couldn't always count on that being possible, and then had to wait 3 agonising days to get the results, which were obviously not good. The reason I'm going to the FMC is that the scanning is in so much more detail, I'm hoping they might give me a better idea of the risk so I can make an informed decision about the CVS. The thing is, the screening is still only a guide of the odds and won't give a definitive answer so the chances are I will end up having a CVS but having had 4 miscarriages now I have the added fear of CVS causing miscarriage - again, why I would prefer to have it done by the best in the country with the most advanced scanning equipment. And on top of that, get the results the same day. My risk is higher now because I am 3-4 years older and also because it's happened to me twice already that puts the risk up slightly too. So, pretty petrified all in all!

kittens what a journey you've been on, you poor thing. I agree re finding out immediately. My appt is at 4 so I'll ring and check the cvs is still an option at that time. I might also move it earlier in the week as I'll be ok on dates and then can use the nhs one to check re mc.

Not even a whiff of pink I hate testing early. Oh well af due tuesday. I guess at least it's not early this time :( :(

Sorry only brief post rushing around for work but just wanted to say sorry about the bfn Mel, is early days do you never know. I agree about having to test early, would much rather just wait for af!

Thanks for the words of support ladies, is good to know I am not alone.

Jaffa & Kittens am keeping everything crossed for you ladies and can only imagine how you must feel worrying about 12 wk scan. Lots of luck and sticky dust.

Thanks pebbles when are you testing?
Good luck for today ladies xx

BFN for me today.

ari last time he saw me my NK cell count and activation had gone up-(almost doubled) so he said to take 40mg from BFP. Would be OK assuming I could get a BFP. Then seemed not bothered about the lack of BFP from me. Was told it was up to me if I wanted SO or not but AMH was OK. Am trying to persuade DH to go and see Dr G for a second opinion.

any news from kittens

Hello everyone else

Some of us are talking about meeting up sat 27 oct in London probably if anyone fancies for lunch? Sometimes is nice to chat about our situations. A few of us did the same last year. ( note to self if doing the same next year get a dog).

I am not due to test until next Thursday Mel which will be the end of my two weeks on pred. Holding out no hope though as nothing happening at all so am nicely prepared for my bfn!

Sorry it was a bfn for you too lemon

Not feeling well at all today, there has been a cold going round at work and seemed to have picked it up which will be the first one in a while so I guess the pred is working!

I was thinking Duggs since our meet up poor Snoopy has had breast cancer, you have had a chemical pregananyc after ivf, I have a chemical after ivf and poor Sue is going through her horrendous situation. I am with you on the geting a dog!

Yes pebbles when u put it like that you and I look like the "lucky" ones