TTC Super Ovulation part 2

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hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

i'm having spotting and feel emotional so i'll be lucky to get a 28 day cycle before AF shows up luckily I have a spare gonal f pen in the fridge

Oh bugger! Sorry to hear that.

Dammit! I've just started bleeding. Surely that and the hardcore cramps can't be a good sign, can they?

*kittens so sorry is it just spotting or bleeding

So far spotting. A bit watery like the start of AF.

Ah kittens that's not very encouraging but quite weird that you still have enough hcg for a bfp. Let's see.

And buzzy fc for you. Ah it's just awful, the last week of a cycle.

kittens I had spotting for the first few days of my second pregnancy and everything was fine

jiffy thanks I just feel so tearful, I expect a temp drop in the next 48 hours

It must be very hard for you not having your mum kittens and s**t re bleeding and cramping but lots of people have that and go on to have a healthy pregnancy. I know in out situation is hard not to assume the worst but hold in there we are all rooting for you. Big hugs.

Oh and sorry it looks like af buzzy, it's so gutting.

Updated on pred thread in more detail but happy to say the spotting was fairly fleeting and now just a hint of brown here and there. Line still quite feint, no darker than yesterday's but CB Digi says 1-2 weeks. I'm very thirsty, constantly weeing and not enjoying the smell of the general public so that all looks promising. Booked intralipids at home for tues. Will call in with a family emergency and go in to work late.

I had such a strong urge to call my mum this morning to tell her. My instincts haven't acknowledged the fact that she's not here yet.

So crossing all fingers and toes for you kittens! Good luck with the intralipids, hope it all goes according to plan.

buzzy commiserations at the arrival of the witch :(

Does anyone know what the dates of Mr S's hols in August are, by any chance? If I'm having an hysteroscopy this month (really don't want to delay it after already having had a month of non-TTC due to the anti-bs), I'm due AF around 11th/12th Aug and I'm betting that will fall into his holiday period, courtesy of the law of Sod ...

Hi all

Big hugs to all those "mentalling" about tests, symptoms or lack of them, and huge fingers crossed for you all. Also big hugs to those of you dealing with bad news yet again.

Not posted for a little while, but thought I would today to share my thoughts and see if any of you can help a little.

My story briefly is that I have two older children (15 and 13) from my first marriage. I have now remarried and that's when I realised I had problems with keeping a pregnancy. I have been pregnant seven times in the last two and a half years.

The first 1 happened, the next 4 were with the NHS, and the last 2 since I have been seeing Mr S. I have had 3 ERPCs, the last of which was two weeks ago.

I have v high NKC. And conceived the last time on the first month of SO.

We had decided as a couple that this was to be our last try. Both financially and emotionally it is draining. We also wanted to get to a point where we could have a "definite" to deal with, be able to know where we stood, count our blessings, grieve, but then move on with our lives.

I am seeing Mr S on Tues 14th next to get the results of the testing they did on the "products" from the ERPC. If there was something wrong with the "baby", we may be tempted to try one more time, but it would only be one more.

When you get to a certain age (I am just 41), and you have these problems, you can't help but wonder if all your eggs are not good enough - never mind the other problems you may have (NKCs), and that you are just getting your hopes up yet again for nothing.

I really don't want to be in a position where we keep trying, bankrupt ourselves, perhaps put a strain on our relationship, in some futile attempt to have a baby, as much as we long to have one of our own.

I know there are no certainties - I suspect many of us would keep going and finding the money if we knew we'd have success one day.

I just want Mr S to tell me to stop, that we have tried everything we could, but I asked him this on our first meeting and he said he'd never say that as there's always hope (unless there is some medical reason eg diabetes). I do worry that we keep putting ourselves through this needlessly. I also worry from reading this thread and the SO one that there is several more things to try (gonal f, IUI, IVF) - and that we could in theory still be going through mc after mc for years to come.

When to draw that line?

Arianrhod - not sure exactly, but we are seeing him on the 14th, and I think he goes the weekend following that.

Fantastic, thanks LJ. I've emailed Cheryl to ask exactly how 'short notice' these procedures can be scheduled in for, since Mr S said they like to do this while you're still on your AF but towards the end, and told me he would fit me in at short notice. If my AF is due 11th/12th perhaps (fingers crossed) it may be possible then to squeeze me in.

By the way, I hear you on the age and being concerned about keeping on going if it jeopardises the rest of your life. Everyone is different on where to draw their own personal line - this is something that I keep on thinking about, as we try one thing after another. Being 44 and heading inexorably towards 45 I keep wondering if I'm just wasting my time with all of these investigations, medications, injections, supplements, etc, all of which may be for nothing.

I would say Mr S hasn't told me to stop, but he has given me the "I think your best chance is IVF" speech which he hasn't given to anyone else I think, even though he was then ok for me to try SO and appears to be pleased - although surprised - that I responded ok. Since IVF isn't financially ever going to be an option for us, I keep on going with everything else - for now. I do have it in the back of my head though if we don't get any closer to a 'proper' pregnancy by the time I'm 45 in 5 months time I may well give up.

I think basically it comes down to whether you feel you can keep putting yourself through this month after month. If you're still ok to keep going - even if it's only 'for now' - then there's the answer. I'm ok to keep going - for now - but I honestly don't know for how much longer.

But I also realise I'm older than most people on here and certainly on the Pred Thread, so I'm going to be a whole lot closer to my "I'm really never going to get there" point, I suspect.

Just my tuppence worth :)

kittens I'm glad it's still a faint line. I just did intralipids for the first time and it took 1.5 hrs plus saline plus setting up = 2 hours if you start on time.

(just realised this hasn't posted. I did it at 12.30 today!)

Kittens am so glad to see you have stopped spotting and good news that is showing as 1-2 weeks on clearblue. Will keep everything crossed for you.

LJ I know where you ate coming from as I have been at this longer than most people on here and have never got pregnant naturally only through ivf. I am 38 soon to be 39 so feel I have a few years left to try before ready to give up. Having said that if the super ov treatment doesn't work we have used up all our ivf on the nhs so will have to pay.As you said though don't want to end up virtually bankrupt so think we could only afford to do it once and then I would think about stopping and moving on to adoption. I think as Ari said you keep going until you really feel you can't anymore and that's it.

LJ I have had similar questions of my own. I was really starting to give up hope for a BFP and thinking, at 42, how much longer do I give it. I feel the same about the limbo situation too. This was my 5th cycle of SO, so there is something in what they say about it generally working between 4th and 6th cycle. I have no idea which way this is going to go but it's my first pregnancy since being with Mr Shehata and I'm throwing everything at it. 40mg pred, hydroxychloroquinine and intralipids. If that doesn't work, I have no idea what I will do next! I can't help thinking, even if it is physically possible, do I want to be nursing a baby much past 45? We feel compelled to keep going though, don't we?

jaffa glad the intralipids went well. Healthcare at home said they will do their best to get to me for 8am but can't guarantee. I guess I will see what the situation is as I approach 11am, when I'm due to leave for work and take it from there as to whether I call in with an excuse to be late.

Hi lj great to hear you conceived on super ov. It's my second round doing it, and I think as others have said you just have to set boundaries according to what you're comfortable with. While on super ov first time (and after two mc) we said 6 months only and then no ivf; we were planning to adopt after that. I had horrible moods swings on super ov. It was awful and I've never felt so low, but I'd promised DH 6 so found strength to keep going. We got pg on the fifth cycle and then miscarried at 10wks. The results were a foetus with Turner Syndrome, so there wasn't a reason not to try super ov again. So we have now said another six months or one more mc and then we adopt. Those are the boundaries. It's helpful to make a decision and go with it until the next event crops up, and not to make decisions while on drugs. I think you're doing the right thing seeing how you feel when you get the results. As Turner syndrome is nothing to do with my age or health, it made me feel the mc wasn't a factor. I would have found it very hard to agree to super ov again if there hadn't been a chromosomal problem with the mc.

Good luck for your results. Thinking of you x

Good morning all, I am in exactly the same position 44.5 and questioning when to give up. As I have had so many mc's unfortunately I have got used to them now but the fact that I had 1 dc at 41 proves I can have them. I have never thrown all of the drugs together at a pg. If I get pg again I have added hydroxy, intralipids and fragmin. Plus I will have blood tests to see how thick my blood is. If I do have another mc and it is not a chromosone problem this will probably trigger me to give up i.e. another unexplained. I am waiting to see if AF turns up in the next few days and although my DH hasn't agreed I have the blood test form to kick start IVF. I would consider 2 IVF cycles but again if I have more mc's due to chromosomes then again I will probably give up. If my AF turns up then I will go and get blood test done and then convince my DH after to go along with it.

Hi all. Mentalling here. I've just done a CB digi and it's gone DOWN to 2-3 weeks having been 3+ on Thurs and Fri. It was silly of me as it wasn't FMU, but, still, there should be more than enough hcg by now, right? Argh I HATE this bit of a pregnancy.

jaffa those CB Digi predictions AF notoriously unreliable. I would say that not using FMU would make is less concentrated, and also ties in a bit more with your actual timing. I reckon maybe the 3+ one may have been up the spout. You're only a few days behind me aren't you? So 2-3 weeks is still good.

Hi kittens (aren't i ahead of you?)yes it was weird getting 3+ so soon but I had it thurs AND fri. There's just nothing I can do until tomorrow morning and fmu, but I'm sorry it's overwhelmed me a bit today. The ongoing, grinding uncertainty is killing me.

Sorry, I meant ahead. Very tired!

When have you booked your first scan for?

Honestly jaffa, I have lost count of the threads I've read where people have been sent into a head spin by CB Digi inconsistencies. They do have a reputation for being a bit variable so I would try to take it with a pinch of salt if you can. I know that's easier said than done. I am also mentalling and obsessing about silly stuff like not feeling as thirsty this morning as the last two mornings, only one wee in the night etc. No sore boobs. But I do know that symptoms come and go and also take a few weeks to kick in so keep trying to push these thoughts out of my mind.

P...U...P...O! xx

I know, kittens, I know. I've read them too. I'm feeling ok now. Just tired. PUPO it is! Deep breath.

Scan Aug 13th when I will be 6.3.... Have you booked one?