TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

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A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

Morning all!

Good luck today Sarlat! Hope everyone is feeling good today. The sun is shining here and for the first time in ages I feel positive.

Had a midnight chat with DH last night and he made me feel so much better. He reminded me that we are a team and that we are doing all the right things.

Wine hope you are feeling a bit better and resting up.

Love to everyone else and hope your days go well.

Morning all.

Sorry to hear about the trips to A&E, princess.

Frannie we bought a package of three iuis and are on our second go. We will probably have to have our NHS IVF round before the third one, simply because of a timing issue (I am working abroad over the summer so if we don't get it in now, it would have to be the autumn and some of the drugs in the fridge at home will have expired by then!), although I will do some calculations when AF arrives to confirm that.

Your clinic situation sounds very confusing. It's bad that you don't get to see the consultant. Although the only consultants I have seen so far have been private ones. I have seen a dr on the NHS but he was just one of the team.

Buzzy I hope all goes well with Shehata.

Just a quick good luck for sar today. Fingers crossed for transfers plus frosties!

What happens if you win before you've used all 3 euro? Can you get a rebate, or save it for No 2? (theoretically, as I don't suppose many of us are still thinking that far ahead).

Must work.

Hi all,

Frannie ooh, I like your veil of secrecy! Makes me very intrigued to know all about you in RL! Hope all the non TTC life stuff is going well. It's good to have another focus, I would have gone mad without the house renovation to concentrate on. I'm intrigued by your treatment - I have PCO and low prog. Why did they put you on IUI first and then look at the other factors? Hmmn, not great that you don't get to talk to the consultant for so long. This is a concern of mine too, I thought I was being referred to see the consultant but turns out I'll likely be seeing his minions . This does not make me feel important and I'm now super worried about cock ups or progress taking ages...how much longer do I have to wait? Sorry the system is getting you down. When is your next round of IUI?

Buzzy good luck with Shehata. I had a look at his website, which looks really good. How many times have you been to see him? Hope the appointment goes well and that you are able to get off on holiday without any problems. Hope you are feeling better today.

Artemis ooh bums to losing your post. Look forward to hearing from you later.

I've had my blood test and surprisingly get my results back on Thursday afternoon. Amazing that things can happen so quickly when I pose a threat to society with my non immunised disease riddled body. Yet anything to do with prolonging the survival of the human race is eyed with suspicion and takes forever and a day. The nurse made me this morning when she took my blood. I mentioned that Mum didn't really agree with vaccinations when I was growing up and she said, "I vaccinated a man in his 30s last week. His mum was a hippy too" Hahahahahahahahaha . My mum is soooo not a hippy, quite the opposite. I relayed this to her with much glee and she thought it was hilarious too. Although I was a bit when she went, "peace out man, pass me the bong" Hahahahahahahahaha . My nutritionist has my hair mineral analysis results back and is forwarding a copy later this week - I'm really intrigued to see what that brings up. I'll let you ladies know. My monies on low selenium, magnesium and iron. Just a hunch.

Also, did anyone see this on the news this morning?

About bloody time too

Right-ho, waves to you all. I'm motivated to get my work done so that I can sit in the park and enjoy the sun at lunch time

Oh bums, I managed to miss the whole new page of posts this morning.
Lemons good luck with getting your appointment. How many IUIs do you get on the NHS? I read that it was 6 in the NICE guidelines, however, I'm aware that trusts have their own interpretations.
Euro hope the 2ww is ok. Not long to go now. If you decide to do IVF before going away to work, would that be very soon? I'm sure that finger must be lingering in your direction.
Sarlat I'll join Nelly in sending the good luck vibes to you for today xxx
Nelly I hoped for 4 babies. I know think that I'll be lucky if I ever get one. I like the idea that Euro could keep the third round for baby number 2 tho.

Nelly I didn't sign any ts and cs but I think most places that do similar deals require you to use them within a year (so you can't go back and try to make a second child with any unused rounds if you are lucky early on). But if I get PG from this iui or the ivf, I will happily let the third one go. It was sort of free anyway - the price for the package of three was the same as two goes at full price.

Princess yes, it would be soon - it would mean starting the IVF drugs on day 21 of the next cycle, so in less than a month. I still don't like the idea but I feel more ready for it than I did when I was originally supposed to start in March (I think you might have joined us after that particular meltdown). I just want this misery to end and the way for that to happen is to get pregnant! I've seen this with my close friend who is pregnant after IVF at the moment. She is herself again after seeming like a hollow version of the person she once was for a couple of years while she went through the misery of ttc.

I like the idea of a giant finger pointing at me!

artemis MN keeps losing my posts too. I copy it these days just in case!

mrsTolis I'm sorry to hear that you were interrogated by your inlaws like that. It's funny I get the arse on because my MIL doesn't ever ask about it! I don't think there is a decent coping strategy. I usually plaster a big smile on my face while quietly dying inside!

euro God, your 2ww seems looonng. God knows how long you must be finding it! So hope it is your time.

joycep you have made me feel better about the AMH and it having little bearing on IVF success. I am so terrified that I have the egg quality of a 90 year old.
No the broid and me are not to be parted. I will just have to get used to my curious hitchhiker (despite the stupid lap surgeon telling me how the fibroid was "quite big and will probably need to be removed"????? DH is a bit mad that she told me that).
That text was crappy. I find it so weird that people do things like that. Do you think it was a round robin text? I can totally understand how it messed up your whole day, just what you don't need.

nelly I agree with buzzy about having a bit of paper beside the bed to write your temps down. I had a little notebook.

princess ohhhh lime sounds nasty especially in the eye - ouch.
Good news about your moving in date
Your dreams sound like you have a troubled mind I dream't last night that it was my baby's christening and I was stressing out on my (dead) step dad because my sister had ballsed up the christening cake by cutting it wrong
BTW I did laugh at your sex faces in a public place over icecream. You are really suffering on that diet aren't you
I haven't started Clomid yet. I think we will discuss it at my next appointment after the cycle monitoring which will be scans at various points in the cycle and OPK sticks. I've never done those and am looking forward to finally peeing some positives on a pee stick - it's the little things!

buzzy Oh you poor thing at your rubbish weekend. I so hope that you feel a little better today. I hope that your banana cake peace offering worked. I always pick a fight with my DH when I feel bad. I'm sure your DH understands.
As for the IUI thing I would ideally like a little go on that and am a bit reluctant to go straight for the big guns of IVF. I guess I am worried that after IVF there is nothing so I don't want to miss out any of the steps in between IYSWIM.
GL with your appointment. Let us know how you get on. Hopefully she will reassure you a bit and help make you feel better about things

frannie I am intrigued about your home life changes too! Sorry about your crap period this cycle.
It is rubbish that you have only seen the nurse. Mind you I have never seen the organ grinder either (probably too busy at their private practices [cynical smiley) but at least I have seen actual doctors. Do the nurses seem to know what they are talking about or will they not answer questions?

lemons Have you phoned yet?
I'm surprised you haven't had a lap and dye. I am always surprised at the regional variations to treatment. You would think that with the stringent guidelines for assisted fertility treatment that there would be rigid set steps and investigations that would have to be done before having assisted conception. So strange. Mind you this is the first time I have had something as basic as swabs taken. I'm quietly stressing about chlamidiya now or Pelvic Inflammatory disease!
Good luck on your 2ww, I hope it flies by and that it is going to be third time lucky for you lemons

Waves to everyone.

Pout diet's really not too bad who am I trying to kid I'm very well accustomed to it now, especially with the nutritionist checking in on me last night. Renewed vigour! Although I am craving a nice cold G&T in this sunshine... I'm going to try cucumber slices in fizzy water with ice as a tasty substitute this evening. Yum. OH and I have decided that as the diet is making my hormones less crazy, I should probably endevour with this until the menopause, when I will retire, move to France and eat cheese and drink wine or G&Ts and ice-cream - exclusively. It's something to look forward to. Right?

Euro I actually think that IVF is quite exciting and with your view that it's now or autumn at least you can make the decision and hopefully not freak out again? I can understand the fear but on the bright side, you've done plenty of waiting now, the finger is looming and you could get a BFP before I'm even allowed to start SWI again! Now that would be a result. I will be rooting for you on the sidelines. Fertility feathers, sparkly dildo and BFP pom-poms to hand. That's if this round of IUI hasn't worked, because you never know, the BFP could be sooner than you think....

Oh and just the clarify with everyone, before my nutritionist somehow manages to track me down on MN and confront me next week, i was doing sex face over coconut sorbet, I said SORBET, goodness knows what ice cream with real dairy would have done to me.... I just thought I should point that out

Well, I had a lovely time in the park, eating a tasty brown salad, drinking a yummy banana, hemp seed and almond milk shake, enjoying the sun (no sunglasses I've run out of contact lenses - bugger), squinting a bit through my cheapo specs, feet out of shoes and waggling in the fresh warm air, when a pigeon descended and shat on my foot. I'm glad I had a rogue antiseptic wipe floating around the bottom of my handbag. It was a sloppy one too Maybe some good luck for the Euromillions tonight? I'm hoping the other finger is looming over me today :)

Thank you mum=pout I did phone. And I did not cry. But the appointment is a full three weeks away, so the next cycle will be a treatment break if nothing else... Re: lap&dye, they seem to do either that or the HSG quite regularly. But I am not so sure...

I do remember being very paranoid about all the STIs they tested when we joined the crazy fertility train. Even though I made my DH do them all before we started trying. But really pout you will be okay. Pats pout's head. Unless of course you have a deep dark past as a drug-addicted sex worker. In which case maybe you do have some of them...

The finger is pointing... It is time for some positives on here again. And I have a wonderful image of euro in her high powered job jumping up and down so the finger knows where to find her...

Intrigued here too about frannie's home life. Care to give some more hints? If you spread them out, only people sad enough to follow the fred properly will get the full picture.

How is today for you mrsT? Hope you are having nice weather too and getting outside a bit.

A few pages ago, I think joycep asked about my career, because of the interview - it is not a change as such, but a temporary contract ending and a desperate search for something else to do with my time, against some financial compensation... But the good news is, tomorrow I have an assessment from the interview last wee.

Did work go well, nelly? And yours to artemis? I had the disappearing posts too, and have taken to a quick copy before sending. It was like this before. Hopefully they'll sort it soon!

X-post with princess, that sounded like a lovely break until the pigeon. I had lunch out too. It makes life sooo much better. But how I am going to exercise when it is toasty out, I do not know... We need a sweaty emoticon

Hi ladies, Wow reading all your posts makes me realise how different trusts manage treatment. I totally agree with you Pout it seems like a postcode lottery.

My service seems to be right on at the moment. As we have just been referred, HSG and blood tests for FSH, LH, prolactine and oestradiol seem pretty thorough. I saw a nurse but she was very knowledgable and took swabs there and then for all the nasty bugs.

Princess hope your burns are healing. Ouch! It sounds as though despite the DIY mishaps that things are going your way house wise.

Lemon Thanks for your post. I am having a very positive day and keep thinking to myself that it will happen to me this year it will! Then I thought God how would I let everyone on here know. I am so glad that you wrote that pg announcements on here are okay and I want everyone to know that if they get that elusive BFP I will be thrilled for them.

Mrs T My burns are healing v. nicely thank you. Not painful at all today, just look minging. A bit like a playground graze. We had a big chat on the last part of this forum about deserved and undeserved BFPs. There is a scale. Someone who is a big time drinker, unhealthy eater, smoker and gets upduffed after one shag is a 1 on the deserved scale. One of us on here is a 10. We will all be delighted if you get your BFP and then you get to graduate. Don't you worry, be shy or worse, disappear! There is a thread for the ladies who used to be on this one but have had now had their BFPs and have growing bumps. Sometimes they drop in to say hi on here and let us know how they are getting on. I'm glad you are having a positive day :) I think the sun always does wonders to lift the spirits. If you are still feeling crap and at a loose end off work, doing one little thing at a time can really help. Sometimes, just cleaning the windows so that you can sit down and go, "wow, my windows look really nice" or painting your nails or going for a walk and buying some nice flowers can give you a lift. Especially when things are getting on top of you. Glad that they are treating you well at hospital too. Have a nice rest of your day, don't forget to soak up some vitamin Ds and get an airing whilst it's nice xxxx

Ha ha about the pigeon princess! I really am impressed with your diet stay power.how's the pooing? Thats what got me last time but I'm all up for brown dieting again this summer as it made me feel so floaty light and health some. The ime burns sound ouchy but glad to hear about the successful offer.

buzzy not long til holidays now. And who can stay in a mood with a banana cake offering?

euro how's that temp chart looking? The finger has been lazy of late, we are due a visit! You are right about the clear blue from the other thread and echo what I feel. But I need a new plan to sustain me through 6 more natural goes! But I think I know when I ovulate pretty well, it's just that what if...after that I quit and it's time for intervention.

mrst glad you better today. Here bfps are always welcome!

joycep sorry about the text. It's so hard isn't it? I do full tear reservoir release usually!I have two more on my radar. When will they end!? The second babies are starting. Good grief.

lemon sending you all the IUI luck I can muster.

frannie can't believe you don't see anyone til that point. I only saw nurse the first time but since then it's always been Dr Big. And his dubious fibroid detecting skills! He saw me every day I was on hospital too, as did his registrar.

pout you wont have any diseases, promise! Have you just always checked ov by temping? Cos you never know...

Here in the weird womble house I'm slowly mending. The evil gas is gone and I can get up out of bed by myself. My mum came round today to help me shave my legs and painted me toes, mr wine is back at work. She's also done some housework. Mr w is amazing but has crumb blindness whilst I unfortunately can see a crumb a mile away and am anally tidy

I now understand why you get signed off for 8 weeks for abdominal surgery. It is not a walk in the park. In spite of it all, my mind is still ttc focused, I cant switch off. There is not a hope in hell I ovulated this month, temps rock bottom, so for the first time in a long time, I've no idea when af will surface and I'll be glad to see it. What happens to your period if you don't ovulate? Does progesterone fade away or something? I hope things aren't off track for too long. Not that I could actually shag!!!

Waves to Artemis nelly and mrsden and anyone else missed.

wine I'm glad you are on the mend. I'm sure you will be back to ttc and crumb-hunting normality in no time at all.

Aside from one wacky peak a couple of days ago (which briefly got my hopes up) my temps are doing pretty much what they always do. Here's the chart if you are curious:

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/343af6

At least I am consistent! But unfortunately, I think that means there is nothing to get excited about.

I agree with those who have said that BFPs are always welcome here - they give us hope that it can happen for long termers, with or without intervention.

pout I have a little broid too that they have said will not affect fertility. I think they are quite common. My mum had an op to remove a number in her 30s.

Yours are tidier graphs than mine euro I often go triphasic which is never helpful!

euro as long as your temp doesn't go down :) you need to jump up and down abit more so the finger knows where you are. Can I ask where you are going in the summer??

sarlat how did it go??

lemon thank you and good luck with your 2ww

frannie sorry your having a weird time, big hugs

princess at your mum and her hippy comments

well I've been super organised and cleaned my flat which is good, banana loaf did the trick, he is a wonderful man, I just hope that one day i'll get to make him a wonderful dad. Got my blood test results back so hopefully i'll get some answers tomorrow, I'm a bit nervous just in case there is no answer.

Well I'm colouring my hair trying to hide my greys

waves to everyone

I'm going to Belgium & The Netherlands, Buzzy. It's "only" for 3 weeks (long enough to be away, frankly), but I think because of where it falls it knocks out 2 cycles. Particuarly because I need to build in a bit of leeway as some people react more quickly or slowly to the drugs, etc.

I'm glad the banana loaf did the trick.

sarlat I hope it all went ok today.

Hello all, is there space for another,
I am on another thread but its been very quiet the last two weeks.
Me 31 TTC for over 18 months. Have 1 DD 6. Previous history of MC with previous partner. Ectopic before DD lost right tube. Enometriosis, pelvic congestion and have had cysts previously when ovaries went into hyperstimulation (without any drugs). Had HSG reamining tube clear. BMI could be better and ovulating regular. OH 35 no children, sperm test revealed low mobility but not really bad. We have been told together that IVF would be best choice but they won't fund and we can't so have been given 5 months of 50mg clomid

Banana loaf! Buzzy I will remember that one next time I drive my DH insane!

Princess and everyone else thank you for all your advice and support.

DH took me for lunch in the castle gardens today. I should mention that I live next to a castle. My little flat backs on to it which is lovely especially when the weather is nice. So I got my vitamin D and feel good for it.

Wine I am so glad to here that you are on the mend and a bit more comfortable now. What a super mum!

Hi ladies! I'm back from the abroad wedding and enjoying the almost like it's being abroad weather today, although not the being back at work. Lots to catch up on, apogies to those I miss!

buzzy I was so sorry to read your posts about it being your due date. I cannot imagine how it must feel. Big hugs and pleased to hear you are feeling a little better. Urgh re grey hair - I've noticed a totally white streak in mine. I'm gonna end up like graham norton!

wine I was so shocked to read that the evasive broid had gone! I guess at least you know everything is now in working order. You've been v brave - I'm such a wuss with pain. Sound like your mum is looking after you nicely.

pout hope you are now fully recovered from your op. I too have 2 small fibroids, which they say aren't a problem. That's great that ivf is so near - how are you feeling about it? I'm a little as I think I live fairly near to you but there's no bloody free ivf here!

euro am keeping my fingers crossed that your temps start to rise again... Would the NHS swap the drugs for you if you decided you wanted to delay the ivf?

lemons hope the 2ww is going ok.

princess at the pidgeon poo - that's good luck innit?

Hello mrstollis

sar fab news re the embies! Shame on that doctor who scared you so much. Hope ET goes/went ok.

frannie have you seen a proper gynae? [now I have images of dougie houser doctors] Seems odd for them to throw money at iui without properly looking into your case.

Hi to artemis mrsd ladyg nelly joy and everyone else I've missed ie on the other page...

Well the wedding was good - no 'when are you having kids' questions (suspect t that's reserved for this weekend's wedding), but one friend is obvs preggers, as she was avoiding soft cheeses and wine. Wish I could be happy for them, but just felt very depressed by it. We're going to have to watch all our friends get pregnant and we can't, it's soooo unfaaaair (whiny child voice). Anyway, I had a glass of wine and some cake and felt a bit better!

Our ivf follow up was pretty unevenful. She said that low fertilisation rate/high no of arrested embryos was most probably to do with the sperm. She doesn't know why our 2 good ones didn't stick, although said the cystitis wasn't a good thing due to the inflammation caused. Her eyes lit up when I mentioned egg sharing as a way of funding the next go. I would need higher stims though, to give us a chance of any embies and I'm not sure how I feel about this. She said I may end up with ohss, but they could freeze our embryos.. We also talked about iui with donor sperm. I really don't know what to do. We're hoping that mrgin's parents will fund another go, but even then the chances seem slim with crap sperm. Maybe we should give up and go for iui? I'm tempted to ask if I could do the icsi with half mrgin's sperm and half donor, meaning that we might have something left to freeze. But I do like the idea of helping another lady by egg sharing. Mrgin just says he'll do whatever I decide. Arghhh! We have another appt booked for August, as whatever we do will be in oct/nov.

Hope you are all enjoying the weather. I'm a proper sweaty pig dog on the nasty commuter trains. Being on the pimms!

mrst i think its safe to say most men think with their stomach when not thinking with their you know what.

carrie welcome :) sorry you've had such a rough ride

euro I wish my job would sent me overseas, might suggest that to my boss, although if there was a position I'm sure he'd jump at it first. I told him I was cutting down on my responsibilities at work don't actually think he had any idea but he is very understanding for a man, could do with a box of tissues in his office

well it finally feels like summer, I've been sitting on my balcony with the squatters watching people

Right. Trying again... this time I will take Pout's advice and make a copy before I press 'post'!

Sorry to hear people are having a tough time at the moment. Buzzy the anniversaries are so hard, I am not surprised you had a tough weekend. sometimes you just have to give in to how you feel, it's impossible to keep a brave face on all the time. I hope you are starting to feel better especially now you've made things up with DH. I have picked almighty fights with MrA as well, we always take things out on the people closest to us but I don't think it's always a bad thing for them to see how we really feel. This process is exhausting.

Nelly I'm glad the HSG went well and didn't find any problems, though I guess that still leaves you in the limbo land of 'unexplained'. Bugger about having to wait so long between appointments. I have been really shocked since joining here on the level of geographical variation in access to and waiting times for treatment. On which subject: Princess thanks for the link on the news story. I heard it on the radio this morning. It's great that the NICE guidance on age limits is being changed but what are the chances that PCTs will comply? I also watched this film about the postcode lottery which was linked from the original story - they interview a lady who's spent over £30k on fertility treatment with no success yet and I could really identify with her description of how hard it is to feel normal even though our journey hasn't been as traumatic as hers. I also didn't know about the Infertility Network. There are some useful factsheets and I will be combing those links about access to funding.

Pout glad you don't have surgery, interesting about trying clomid while you are waiting for IVF, that sounds sensible. Are you with the NHS? I wasn't allowed to go on the waiting list while having clomid because of the immortal line "we don't plan for treatment failure" which I still think is one of the stupidest things I've heard from a medical practitioner. I'm glad I am being treated for infertility and not, say, cancer for example. Frannie I've never seen the consultant either, just nurses and the registrar. I daresay the consultant is too busy with private patients [cynical emoticon]. I can't believe you have to go through 6 rounds of IUI before you get properly assessed particularly if you have been identified to have low progesterone. Are they treating that as part of the IUI?

Sorry to hear about the pregnancy announcements Joycep and crap questions MrsT. It never gets easier does it? My patented strategy is also of the 'run away and cry' variety though it tends to depend on where I am in my cycle and where I am on the scale of good to crap on any given day. Found out at the weekend that my gym instructor is pg. She was sooooo excited and i was soooo jealous, I smiled through gritted teeth and left early. She's lovely so it would be hard to feel resentful of her though I still managed it. And my mum informed me that my arch nemesis from school is now expecting her third spawn child. Grrr.

Sarlat how did you get on with the ET? Great news on the 9 fertilised eggs, hope it's all gone well today.

Euro hope that finger is hovering... perhaps we need to renew the fertility dance. In view of the Kiwis among us, perhaps we should convert it into a haka? I bet it will be the first haka ever witnessed to incorporate tail feathers and sparkly knobs - who knows, if the All Blacks spot us it may catch on

Wine glad you're starting to feel a bit better. You have really been through the mill. I did at your crumb comment, I am also a bit anal about cleaning but MrA is literally unable to see crumbs or the rest of the trail of destruction that follows him through the house. I have been on a campaign lately to educate him about the difference between his pants being IN the laundry basket and simply NEAR it (ie on the floor) but I fear it's a losing battle. Bloody good job he can cook

Well I have an appointment tomorrow with... well, I am hoping it will be the consultant but in reality it will be whoever they can turn up. I find it frustrating that they will never say who the appointment is with when you book. My plan of action is as follows: 1) ask what further investigation will be done to find a cause and in particular request HSG; 2) If none allowed, request further clomid while on wait list for IVF; 3) If that is not allowed either, go on IVF wait list and go private for further investigation and beat consultant round head with NICE guidelines and Infertility Network recommendations then write stroppy letters to all and sundry including Lansley and my MP. Not much of a plan but it's all I've got. I am CD26 today and I am mentalling like crazy which isn't like me. There is no real reason for this except spotting hasn't arrived yet and my boobs are a bit sore so maybe I should stop prodding them. Someone please administer a fish slap, I need it.

Big waves to everyone I haven't mentioned - right better remember to save this before I press post

artemis I didn't realise you were a kiwi, I'm all for the flashy haka it helps to have a plan although you might not need it more finger hovering.

well just watched the Channel 7 news and saw the bit on IVF on the NHS, Mr B seems to change his opinion on IVF, we both agree we won't rule it out but has just said maybe we should stop trying at the end of the year thats not that far away,

Buzzy I'm not a Kiwi, though NZ is on my bucket list of places I've always wanted to go. I was just thinking about rugby players for no obvious reason

How do you feel about stopping at the end of the year? It's not far away at all. We have talked about when i get to 40 but that means the time ahead of us is less than we've already been trying, iyswim. In reality I think I'll know when I've had enough. MrA generally wants to leave the decisionmaking to me and says he will go with what I decide, which is fine in theory but I sometimes end up trying to second guess and it does make me feel under pressure sometimes to make decisions that affect both of us.

Evening

ET went well. We have 6 good blastocysts and there is one more which may become blast tomorrow.

So they transfered one today inside me and 5 more have go in to the freezer with possibly a sixth to follow tomorrow.

Feeling tired, relieved and a little numb but very grateful.

Seeing the blasto on the screen before it was placed in the catheter was amazing.

We are very lucky. But I also feel we have worked hard as there have been many appoitments and medication and are now we are ready for a mental break from it for a couple of weeks until the pregnancy test at hospital.

Sorry, not going to be able to read through everyones updates tonight as shattered. But will say one thing......anyone thinking of going for IVF/ICSI, regardless of the medical reason, try acu for both man and woman along with specialist diet. Although I am not pregnant (yet) and I'm not cocky enough to believe it will definatly happen, we seem to have had really good embryos with this cycle. The Embryologists have been all excited and the acu lady was really shocked by 10 eggs turning in to 7 blasts.

I don't think we have super cells or anything but we have both done loads of alternative medicine and special foods leading up to IVF. Also, one year ago my DH was told his SA was poor. My acu lady says its not possible to change the actual genetic content of eggs, but it is possibe to influence the fluid in which they bathe and grow in the ovaries. This then leads to stronger eggs. So nutrition / wellbeing etc according to her play a part.

We are no where near 'out of hot water'. My fallopian tubes could still cause toxic leakage and cause the embryo not to take, but I feel we have given it a 'good bit of welly'. I know the above information is not everyones' cup of tea but what I like about this board is the way we can share a bit of personal experience in the hope it may help someone else.

Enjoy the sunshine Ladies, xx