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TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

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lisacn · 09/05/2012 18:27

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

OP posts:
Purpledragon · 12/06/2012 11:29

X-posted with your very interesting and positive post princess and buzzybee glad to see we can keep up the bum chat in a more useful way than my nicked contribution.
Waves.

MuddyWellyNelly · 12/06/2012 12:57

Some very thought provoking and highbrow chat today!! except for the stuff about bumholes. Thanks so much purple for your response, I'll digest and respond more later on. I think you must be superwoman princess between the DIY and the philosophy reading - quite the range of interests! Welcome back buzzy. And hello joy and everyone else, will be back properly later. Oh yeah the spotting hasn't reappeared, it was one tiny drop, but feel periody today Hmm

ladygee · 12/06/2012 13:28

All this talk of holidays and returning from sunny places is making me look at holiday options instead of working! Makes a change from ttc googling I guess!

Artemis ? The funding is for IVF/ICSI, we had thought it would be the end of the year so it?s good news.

Lemons ? sorry about the crappy month ahead. I wrote quite a lot during my first IVF cycle, and dabbled in poetry ? mainly when I couldn?t sleep as I found it was a good way of expressing my feelings.

Joycep ? glad you had a lovely holiday, though sorry about AF arriving. I worked out that mine will be due on my hols in July, the day before my 30th. I?m really looking forward to that one?

Princess ? at your consultant talking over you, glad your DH was supportive.

Gin ? I think I?ll feel ready by August. I was so relieved when the nurse said that now the funding is available we can do it when we are ready, I thought they might have dictated the timescales. It took me nearly 3 months to feel even vaguely normal after the last cycle so I want to feel 100% ready before going down that road again. I can't remember, what are your next steps now?

Nelly ? I can?t imagine injecting myself for so long. The few weeks just about did me in. Like gin, I had pessaries for progesterone. I?ve read somewhere that some places use injections as the absorption rates of pessaries aren?t guaranteed. For my next round, I?ve got a prescription for a double dose to try and combat the spotting I had on my last cycle.

Buzzy ? Very jealous of your Italy trip, it?s fast becoming my favourite country, I'm trying to persuade DH to plan a trip for later this year. Glad you had a good time.

My only contribution to the bottom conversation is that mine is hurting from all the sitting on the fence I?m doing at the moment. The family drama continues!!

Waves to all you lovely ladies!

buzzybee123 · 12/06/2012 14:36

princess I think its totally ridiculous for anyone to NOT expect women to obsess about TTC especially in our situation, the consultant at St Helier couldn't understand why I was upset Hmm she also told me that she had no concerns about me having a baby, I'm seeing her on Monday so it will be interesting to see what she says as its been 7 months and nothing, its been 10 months since I last fell pregnant.

purple can I ask about adoption, how much imput does your DS's bio family have ???

lady sorry about the family dramas, i suppose one of the upsides to being disowned is that I have very little family drama in my life, Italy is lovely accept Naple which is a dump, but they have really cleaned up on the begging and pick pocketing.

nelly Hmm on the spotting, its frustrating

LittleMissHocusPocus · 12/06/2012 16:07

Hello lovely ladies,

Could I join your thread?

I?ve been lurking for a few months in denial not feeling quite brave enough to actually post before now. I have to tell you how much I have got out of simply reading your posts ? there have been times when I?ve thought I?ve been going a bit mental or just being silly and need to get a grip, but reading about you all going through similar things or having similar feelings has really helped me! I reckon it?s selfish of me to take take take and not give anything back, so I hope maybe I can :)

A little about me? I?ve just turned 32, Mr Hocus, 43, TTC our first for 15 months with no luck so far. First went to Doc's in Feb and had all the usual suspect tests, which have all come back fine. Referred to Fertility Clinic at the Hospital, saw Consultant and was booked in for ultrasound (fannycam.. glamorous!) which was normal/fine, and a Lap and Dye, which I have got on Friday..! Eeek!

Newbie waves to all! :)

buzzybee123 · 12/06/2012 17:31

hocus welcome and good luck with your lap and dye on Friday, there is a rough guide to us on the first page of this thread although it is a bit out of date

carrieonlaughing · 12/06/2012 17:45

Hello hocus and welcome.
All to all I am still around just lurking and thinking about next steps.
I have started 2nd cycle of clomid and feel worse than ever, I was worried about emotional side effects and I have none (other than usual ttc stress) but the night sweats, sickness and the pain I got ovulating last month is just too much for me. Tomorrow I will call the consultant and see if there's anything else.
I am still having awful AF's but they said if I sought gyne treatment then they would close me at the fertility clinic. I can't see why it can't be looked at by them as its endo that's the problem. Last consultant said this had no bearing on fertility even though I have been told since diagnosed as a teen it does!
Rant over and arghhhhh

buzzybee123 · 12/06/2012 18:05

carrie Its shit that the depts can't work together, its all due to the stupid way the funding works, everything has to be booked through my GP as she holds the purse strings. I would go and speak to your GP or see if you can call the gyne dept just to double check that is correct. Its totally frustrating when they give you info that condradicts what you have been told in the past. There are other tablets you could take, Letrozole and Tamoxifen. I'm going to try gonal f next week. I tried Tamoxifen and didn't find it too bad for side affects. I have to say is that I feel crap on the extra progesterone

MuddyWellyNelly · 12/06/2012 18:23

Hello hocus glad we have been of help so far, this thread is really amazing :)

carrie that sounds so frustrating, I agree with buzzy that the whole thing is just so inconsistent, disorganised and downright frustrating. I don't know much about Clomid etc but it doesn't sound right that you are in so much pain when ovulating, are you being monitored? (sorry if you've said)

Going back to the earlier post, purple thanks so much for posting that, I love how you said that it felt cool to have a child that wasn't biologically related to you. It's lots of food for thought for me at least, albeit I'm not actually sure that adoption would be realistically possible here. I've not looked into it, but suspect there is an age cut off, which I'm no doubt past.

I'm sorry your family squabbles are still kicking off lady - all you need, I'm sure.

So I managed to successfully depress myself by reading our 10+ers Grad thread. I don't know why it depressed me so much, as I was so happy for each and every one of them, but the Envy monster is clearly still there. It just felt so unreal and unattainable to read of their symptoms and scans and looking at baby stuff. I am clearly having one of those down days where it feels like nothing will ever work. To capitalise on feeling shit, I raided my cupboard and discovered that both my cheapy internet HPTs and the not so cheap clearblue OPK are now out of date. So I peed on the OPK and didn't get a smiley face, which led me to conclude that I'm never going to ovulate ever again Hmm. Obsessed and panicking? Oh no not me!

However I did do some proper research into IVF in Scotland. There are only 3 clinics in our area really. One is the NHS unit that also does private, but the doc there told me it's still a 6/7 month wait for private IVF. The other two are both private. I initially was drawn towards one (Glasgow, it was cheaper) but now think the other one might be better - Edinburgh. The docs are more biased towards IVF, whereas the first clinic had lots of docs specialising in endo or PCOS etc, I don't have any of those things, so just want lots of pure IVF specialists please! Edinburgh is more expensive but a much better location in terms of getting to appointments. And, sucker that I am for a good PR spiel, they are using a relatively new technique (I think) called Embryoglue which as it's name suggests seems to encourage implantation. It appears to increase success rates, which is always good. Anyway I have left a voicemail to go for a free tour and mini-consultation, so fingers crossed that is fairly soon. Hmm, I guess that's the first step then. :(

carrieonlaughing · 12/06/2012 18:39

Welly as far as I know they removed the age restrictions on adoption. The only problem with saying that is that you still have to get approval at adoption panel and it depends how lively and active you are lol and no I am not saying your sat in your arm chair knitting, its just they need to know you have the years left in you to bring up a child and you sound like you do. I think there is a lot of pre-conceptions about adoption and I kind of work in that arena so I would suggest anyone thinking to have a look and really see before writing yourslef off.
I am agree with you both in that its bllody stupid my orginal cons was good and really looked at my history but the last person was cover while he was away and hadn't a clue. I am not being monitored at all and have endo, a previous ectopic and had ovarian hyperstimulation years ago without treatment which shocked the hospital at the time. I'm still suprised they put me on it at all, I don't think my gyne would be happy.
I ovulate every month so don't see why treating me for the one thing that is working is the best option at all.

We all depress ourseleves and over think at times, this place is a sanity saver where we can freak out without getting sectioned lol.
I would opt for closeness for ease to get to appointments if it was me

buzzybee123 · 12/06/2012 18:47

nelly I haven't looked at the grad thread, not really sure where it is, but I think I would feel a bit Envy too

carrie are you on the clomid for super ovulation then???

MuddyWellyNelly · 12/06/2012 19:12

carriethat's good to know about the age limit - if you've worked out my secret hobbling I don't think anyone could accuse me of being a couch potato Wink. I might start giving it a bit more thought then.

I am shocked by the fact you have been given unmonitored clomid with your history. Time for some foot stamping I think. Or as buzzy says if it's Superovulation then you'd still think they would monitor you. The mind boggles.

Dear London people - can i please crash with one of you? It seems that if I wanted to do Mild or Natural IVF then Create is the only place in the UK that does it? OR IVM, though I have to say reading about that freaks me out a little bit for some unknown reason Confused.

Right off to secret hobble and then stuff my face. We picked up a tasty low fat recipe from BiL from holidays - shepherds pie but with Turkey mince instead of beef and sweet potato topping. It's very yum, but not sure where it fits in the Brown diet! Also I don't actually need to lose weight, it's Mr Nelly that does, so I will have to find some more unhealthy puddings to make up for it Grin.

Purpledragon · 12/06/2012 19:42

nelly thanks for your thoughtful reply about adoption. And buzzy to answer your question: we have no connections to our son's bio family. He was found at a roadside at one day old and lucky to have survived that. International adoption, not UK and not involving the UK at all. So, I'm a bit crap at advice re the UK system but in terms of motivation, feelings and possibilities to 'work' a system, if anyone has any interest (not to adopt but even to explore feelings about it) please PM me (I don't want to hijack the thread with adoption). Let's be clear, we all want a child here and working out how and why and where this could go is worth a shot, right? Age is an issue in adoption but it's not the same issue in TTC.

buzzybee123 · 12/06/2012 20:08

purple thanks I will pm you

sarlat · 12/06/2012 20:44

Gosh it's been busy and the knowledge on these boards is quite something!

Joy - glad you had good holiday but I agree it is so hard to truely escape the TTC thoughts and feelings. It is like a drug. Thank you for reminding me of the antibiotic info. I think the antibiotic which is occasionally used with IVF is doxcyline. There are some articles on this. Hopefully IVF is just around the corner for you assuming your messages get passed on. How are you feeling about it all?

Barry - grrrr at your rude Consultant - why oh why do they feel the need to be a bit smug or a bit scary or a bit arrogant. It can all be done without these little added extras - but I like your attitude towards all of this. And I really believe your brown diet efforts are going to be rewarded - I truely do. Your last post was amazing and well done you for taking this stance. I have tried (and failed) at various times to take control back and find other paths alongside TTC. The timing has to be right and I feel that your brown diet has paved the way for you to take control of your own wellbeing and life in a holisitic manor. Good luck.

Gin - glad you will be having another IVF cycle. What do the Dr's suggest may improve the odds for next time? Sorry about the crazy hormomes. What had caused this? Is it post IVF madness? Well done on sticking out the hen do with the boring baby talk. Baby talk is actually boring........in fact other people's baby's are often boring Blush But I want one of my own....waah.

Buzzy - welcome home and thank you for putting a coin in the trevi fountain for the 10 month + crew. Sorry about the sickyness and BFN. Hope Mr B's op goes ok.

Dave - sorry about your cold and full fat milk madness! It's funny how the urge to symptom spot never really dies - it must be inate. I symptom spotted one cycle where we didn't try - just to see what the differences were Confused

Euro - I took progesterone injections called gestone after my egg collection. I was told that they were superior to anything else including the pesseries. Apparantly the consultant says there is a higher pregnancy rate. However, my cycle failed so take what you will from that. I didn't mind the injections - they were a bit sore / stingy but there are tips and tricks which can be used which make it easier. When will you find out about your IVF protocol?

Keith - The massage and woo lady sound wonderful. I would definetly see her again. Such things can really restore confidence in our own abilities I find.
Since CD1 I have been very up and down. The period was heavy but not clotty and only crampy for one day so nowhere near as bad as I expected. Since then my body signals are not their usual but nothing too frightening. Emotionally, DH and I are all over the place. I haven't been dwelling too much that the cycle failed in itself (don't get me wrong I desperatly wanted that embryo to attatch and grow). But our main emotions are fear and anxity. Fear that it will never happen and anxiety about the extent of damage inside me and the operation that they are threatening me with. I also feel like a freak for having such a strange, symptomless condition. Even if I was a prostitute and had several bouts of STI's (of which I have had none) I would still only have 15% chance of having the internal damage that I have got. I'm not angry I'm just confused and stressed and can't seem to find a solution which will make me happy.

Hello Hocus - welcome and good luck with your lap. At least you are taking control back now and it is very likely that you will get a BFP in time. But in the mean time, hanging out here does make things a little easier.

Carrie - gosh what strange managament from your Dr's. Endo does affect fertility and it is likely that is what I have. Based on the fact you have had an eptopic - how are your tubes? Could these be the problem for you?

Nelly - embryoglue you say ????what is this, where is this, I need some!!! Shock Good luck with the clinc tour!

Purple - thank you for sharing about youy adoption experince. I'd say your little boy is very lucky to have a mum like you!

Well it is now CD10 for me. Body signals are a little off this month post IVF. Normally get ovulation pain and gurgly stomach cd 10 onwards but I have been having these symptoms since a few days ago minus the EWCM. Very odd. Also had a speck of blood which I guess is readjustment of hormones. Did the deed in the old fashioned way last night - what the hell!!

Emotions are crazy. Not been grieving badly for the lost cycle / embryo (although we were desperate for it to work). I think the fear of what medical thing will happen next is overiding everything and that is where my energy and anxiety is lying. My DH has been brill and insists that too much good stuff went well (ie multiple blastocysts) and it's just a matter of time. This really does help as it is so easy to lose hope. But then again, that is a protective mechanism. When you get knock after knock in such a short space of time its easier to feel it can't happen as all your past experinces points to negative outcomes. Ah well, onwards and upwards. We WILL keep going!!!!

carrieonlaughing · 12/06/2012 20:51

They have put me on clomid to just see! My OH has low mobility and I have one tube and endo so he said let's put more eggs in the mix and see what happens. I then got a letter saying our best option was IVF which made me very upset as that wasn't really said to us.
My OH is very much you don't question doctors so its difficult plus you get 5 mins and loads of things said so its hard to think about questions at the time. I am going to call and ask for an appointment with first cons.I really think that we need more investigating. I also have had a poorly tum since a week after starting them and beginning to think its linked. I'm surviving on immodium lol.
I must apologise for bad spelling and typing as on my phone.
Nelly what is the secret hobbling?
My one good thing is that this period is more normal than mine lol lighter and I have a feeling it will be 6 days instead of the usual 8+ whooop

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 13/06/2012 07:30

Morning lads!

I have been keeping up to date with reading, but you lot are so talkative and busy that I have not managed to respond...

Quickly a few bits I did remember:
Thanks for your thoughtful comments on the adoption of your DS, purple. It's on our radar as a "last-chance-saloon" and the way you describe things really appeals. But I thought they were keen on not having people still going through fertility stuff. So it is for later...
Welcome hocus and hurrah for the support we've unwittingly provided. Any more lurkers would be very welcome too!
The number of people gearing up for IVF is huge, and I am failing to keep track. Massive good luck to all of you and let's do a roll-call to help my addled brain?! I'll start one next post.
Sorry about all the emotions pooring out sarlat and about the difficult decisions. I am with your husband though, you did get plenty of blasts and they were not overly encouraging through the cycle either. So second opinion sounds like a good plan.
Sorry about family shit jim :(
A bit worried about you carrie, with your history unmonitored clomid is really shocking. So yes, get yourself an appointment and question this treatment.
Welcome back for all the holidayers. Great you've had a good time, sorry the TTC does come on all fun things with us nowadays joycep, buzzy and nelly. But great to be able to talk face to face to someone so close in RL that has gone through IVF, nelly. Sort of jealous of your IVF-sister (I only have the ridiculously fertile one)... Thanks for throwing the coin in, buzzy, do you take any responsibility for the Trevi fountain's crumbling!?
Dave I cannot believe That Man bought full fat milk messing with symptom spotting on a duff month. How in considered Wink
Here it is SWI time and DH is away. So it will be duff symptom spotting, but I can say with a reasonable level of confidence AF will be here in 13 days... Thinking about lap&dyeing next, rather than more iuis. Any thoughts on that? When half the thread had them, we were on holidays. I am curious but not keen on it...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 13/06/2012 07:31

Updated list of lads and 10+ ladies (June 2012)

lemon both 33; TTC 24 months, unexplained, 3 failed iuis, next up lap&dye, then more IUIs or IVF (help!?)

Purpledragon · 13/06/2012 07:36

Purple 39 and 47 TTC on and off for years. Unexplained. No medical assistance (yet?).

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 13/06/2012 07:40

lemon both 33; TTC 24 months, unexplained, 3 failed iuis, next up lap&dye, then more IUIs or IVF (help!?)

Purple 39 and 47 TTC on and off for years. Unexplained. No medical assistance (yet?).

sarlat · 13/06/2012 08:03

Sarlat 32, DH 47; ttc 25 months, diagnosis: damaged and fluid filled tubes, likely due to endo. Mild / bordeline male factor. Had hsg /ultrasounds / blood tests. 1 failed IVF cycle and 5 blatstos on ice.

Purpledragon · 13/06/2012 08:14

Wow yes you are right lemon tons of IVF going on. Makes me feel like a bit of a twat really. Ancient, wanted children for years, no medical assistance at all. Does it add up? Even I'm not sure about the choices I've made and the amount of time with my head in the sand

I have a terrible TTC confession. I have a hangover, in shag week no less. No alcohol during shag week is my personal rule based on a combo of not being capable of making that a rule for life without clear evidence that it's necessary and my fail safe baby making manual which indicates that pre-ov and ov is the most important part of the cycle to avoid alcohol without explaining why of course so anyway golden rule broken in style last night showing just how seriously I'm taking this cycle. Now have a 'post-ov temp' which I guess is actually a booze temp. Well that's exciting at least, I have not had one of those before. I will surely weave that into evidence that I'm pregnant in a few days.

Dave loved your symptom spotting full fat milk craziness. We were both sick during my last cycle and I managed to turn that into a fake pregnancy. The worst thing can happen and I will turn it around - ill in shag week - pregnant! - no sex in shag week - pregnant! It's odd isn't it? It's not about being positive just about being nuts. While part of me is busy being pregnant, another part of me knows it will never ever ever happen.

sar your husbands attitude towards your IVF situation is of great value I think. My own husband is completely convinced that we have a second child, he says he can't tell me how or when just that it will happen. This is not my style at all but I think it is good for me to hear even when it makes me crazy

Yes lemon there are some issues with adoption and resolution of TTC but these things are not as cut and dried as they appear sometimes (that was my experience at least).

Warm welcome hocus and waves to all.

buzzybee123 · 13/06/2012 10:30

new list for June

lemon both 33; TTC 24 months, unexplained, 3 failed iuis, next up lap&dye, then more IUIs or IVF (help!?)

Purple 39 and 47 TTC on and off for years. Unexplained. No medical assistance (yet?).

Sarlat 32, DH 47; ttc 25 months, diagnosis: damaged and fluid filled tubes, likely due to endo. Mild / bordeline male factor. Had hsg /ultrasounds / blood tests. 1 failed IVF cycle and 5 blatstos on ice.

buzzy 39 DH 38, TTC #1 for 14 cycles, miscarriages in June @ 6 weeks and October @ 10 weeks, 2 x ERPC's with a perforated uterus. Diagnosed with High NK cells, 2 cycles of Super Ovulation on Tamxifen, starting 3rd SO cycle on Gonal F. Possibly looking at IVF next year. Also having Acupuncture and taking a cocktail of drugs and supplements

buzzybee123 · 13/06/2012 10:37

carrie silly question but how do they know if the clomid is actually working if they are not monitoring you ???

purple thanks for the insight

lemon ha ha I take no responsibility at all Grin just hope it works for us

well i'm feeling a little better, really hoping I can hold back the ERTD a few more days but keep spotting which is a bit annoying as I'm not due till Thurs/Fri anyway and I keep spotting

eurochick · 13/06/2012 10:54

Morning ladies!

And welcome hocus.

sarlat I've known about my IVF protocol since March when I was supposed to start but chickened out! It's burserelin injections to downreg and the Gonal-F to stim. And ovitrille (which I have used before on the superovulation programme) to trigger. That's interesting about the injections. I haven't heard of anyone in the UK using them before.

carrie it sounds like your treatment is being managed very poorly. Why give unmonitored ov drugs to someone who is ovulating and has hyperstimulated naturally??? The mind boggles. And the consensus seems to be that endo does affect fertility. I read somewhere that it was discovered in around 80% of people who are unexplained.

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new list for June

lemon both 33; TTC 24 months, unexplained, 3 failed iuis, next up lap&dye, then more IUIs or IVF (help!?)

Purple 39 and 47 TTC on and off for years. Unexplained. No medical assistance (yet?).

Sarlat 32, DH 47; ttc 25 months, diagnosis: damaged and fluid filled tubes, likely due to endo. Mild / bordeline male factor. Had hsg /ultrasounds / blood tests. 1 failed IVF cycle and 5 blatstos on ice.

buzzy 39 DH 38, TTC #1 for 14 cycles, miscarriages in June @ 6 weeks and October @ 10 weeks, 2 x ERPC's with a perforated uterus. Diagnosed with High NK cells, 2 cycles of Super Ovulation on Tamxifen, starting 3rd SO cycle on Gonal F. Possibly looking at IVF next year. Also having Acupuncture and taking a cocktail of drugs and supplements

euro 36 and 37, TTC properly for 20 cycles. Unexplained save for high NK cells. Tried 3 cycles of superov and 2xIUI. Now about to go for IVF.

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