TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

[lisacn]

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

I realise this is a bit out of date but thought it helps to have it at the beginning.

joycep - me, 32, DH 30. ttc 23 months (27/28 cycles). M/c @ 7 wks July 2010. Nothing since. Short LP of 10/11days (relevant? Who knows). Progesterone levels low [30]. Estrogen dominant, hypoglycaemia, Left ovary lazy but ovulate every month. HSG all clear. Low AMH for my age. Potassium levels low. Healthy BMI. 9 months of treatment including Clomid (messed me up), 2 x IUI, ovitrelle and gonal f injections. SA good (7%morph). Next step: Chicago tests, Lapascopy (if poss) , sperm fragmentation test and then ivf i guess.

minipie - me 31, DH 32, ttc 11 months but only on 10th cycle due to longish cycles. PCOS diagnosed by scan. Blood tests normal except slight underactive thyroid (now corrected with thyroxine). BMI normal. DH's SA had low morphology (3%) but otherwise good. No other tests or treatments yet (except acu). First appointment with gynae on 21 March... BFP?

Mrsden - me 30, soon to be 31, DH 31. TTC for 21 months. PCOS but ovulating ok most months. DH very low count, poor morphology. Will start ICSI in summer.

ladygee ttc 15 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed blockage at the opening of my right tube. Self-funded cycle of IVF ICSI in Feb, ended with BFN. Awaiting follow-up appointment to talk through next steps. We are also on NHS waiting list for ICSI, probably at the end of 2012.



lemon - both 33, TTC 22 months, unexplained (after bloods, too much dildo camming, HSG and plenty of SAs - although those varied quite a bit), now onto second IUI

princess - me 30, OH 34. Accidentally updiffed in May 2009, MC at 6wks in June 2009. Decided that we wanted a baby, so continued trying until Oct 2009 when we got engaged and decided to give baby-making a break as I was finding it too draining and needed to take time out to deal with MC (and plan wedding). Started trying again in September 2010. Pg in April 2011 and MC in May 2011 at 7wks. Have been SWI like rabbits since then. Started blood tests in March 2012 following irregular mid-cycle bleeds, which have shown weird hormone levels - too much LH and not enough Prog. Scan yesterday to show lots of cysts on right ovary and a few on left. Follow up with GP next week to discuss scan, blood test results from earlier this week and next steps. Will be off to see a nutritional therapist next week to see if I can combat with diet and supplements. That makes TTC on and off for 25 months.

Critter 32, Mr Critter 33. TTC a year ? came off Yasmin in April 2011, periods never came back. Scan in November 2011 showed cysts on ovaries, blood tests all normal. Took progesterone to induce a period, followed by first round of 50mg Clomid in December 2011 ? no ovulation. Repeated progesterone followed by 100 mg Clomid in February 2012 ? no ovulation. Repeated progesterone followed by 150mg Clomid in April 2012 ? seems to be no ovulation, just waiting to make sure before going back to the doctor for a referral to a specialist.

euro - me 36, hubby 37, ttc 18 cycles with a couple of years of being casual before that, never seen a BFP but might have had a chem preg back in the casual period. My standard tests all fine. Some indication of PCOS but I'm ovulating regularly so it shouldn't be the problem. Hubby's tests also fine but on the low side of normal. Diagnosed as "unexplained". private immunology tests show high NK cells, but I have been on treatment for those for the past 5 cycles. Tried three cycles of superovulation (Letrozole). Currently on first attempt at IUI.

wine 35 (33 when started ttc) I am ovulating day 21prog 47 and regular 29 day cycles, DH latest SA 7% morphology with excellent count and motility. Previous SA 3% but count, motility were fine. Vits thought to have helped, consultant says no probs there. Failed HSG due to cervical blockage, lap and dye dec 2011 revealed large plum sized fibroid partially blocking cervix. Consequent u/s and MRI have revealed that the 'broid is an elusive bugger and mapping it out has been highly problematic. Consultant can't do myomectomy (fibroid removal) til he's confident of location so awaiting next lap and internal exam in two weeks. He doesn't think it renders me infertile as I'm still having periods and thus on paper we are unexplained . There are not a lot of cases like mine, assisted conception not possible yet due to blockage. In spite of all this I have not yet gone insane.

lisa me 39 DH 38, TTC #1 for 12 cycles, miscarriages in June @ 6 weeks and October @ 10 weeks, 2 x ERPC's with a perforated uterus. Diagnosed with High NK cells, Starting cycle 2 of Super Ovulation on 80mgs of Tamxifen, suspected thin lining due to scars, possibly requiring a Hysteroscopy. Possibly looking at IVF. Also having Acupuncture and taking a cocktail of drugs and supplements

ginsoaked ttc #1 21 months. Me 33, DH 33. DH has severe sperm issues - count of 3 million, poor motility and morphology. My tests all ok. No IVF funding in our area, so currently undergoing parent privately funded round of ICSI with Create in Wimbledon. Am stimming and about to start the antagonist. Eeek

Pout TTC #1 28 cycles-ish. Me 36, DH 41. Diagnosed with unexplained fertility following normal bloods, HSG, ultrasound and SA and discharged from clinic last year. Subsequently moved house to a new PCT and had new referral. Am waiting for a lap, another HSG and hysterogram (sp?) booked for beginning of May.

Artemis TTC #1 24 months. Me 38, DP 40. Early MC a year ago, referred for tests beginning of this year. Day 3 bloods normal, 7dpo bloods inconclusive, SA normal, no other investigations & no diagnosis yet. Prescribed 3 cycles of Clomid (currently at beginning of cycle 2), next option IVF.

beryl TTC #1 12 months. Me 34, Mr Beryl 39. Early mc after 5 months of trying, nothing since. Short lp of 9/10 days. Waiting for results of blood tests and SA.

frannie TTC # 1 24 months. Me 35, DH 36. His SA normal. My hsg/ bloods all normal- prog slightly low. 35 day cycles and late ovulation. Starting unmedicated iui this cycle.

Hey Lisa, nice to see you in the newly decorated thread Let's hope thread number 7 is lucky for all of us lovely ladies. Lucky number 7, has a nice ring dontcha think? It would super cool if this one is the BFP full house. I want my extra stretchy pregnancy mortar board! Anyway, how's ya keepin at the mo? Xxxx

princess I've had a horrendous migraine since Monday night but starting to feel better now, think its the drug overdose yes hoping 7 is all our lucky number :)

Evening

Hope this new thread brings lots of BFP's and general happy times!

Joycep - Those are interesting comments from your accupuncturist. Helps put it in perspective. I also know what you mean about other people saying they know loads of people who have gone throug IVF - I don't see that myself. I'm managing my injections ok - in fact I actually do enjoy it. I like mixing it and injecting. I feel like I've got a new skill. But I do like gross things - I do lots of gross things at work.

The other way to look at IVF which helps me a little is to imagine that the words "IVF" don't exist and that it hasn't been invented. But then what would I say if I was told by a Dr that there was a new (and so far nameless) treatment which enabled eggs to be fertalised outside of the womb and then put back which has reasonably good success rates. I would say let me av some! I think I had previously built up a barrier to IVF based on social pressures - bit weird but hope that makes sense. I also think my husband's age (47) rightly or wrongly has forced the issue for me. I don't imagine we will want to be on this merry go round when he is in his 50's - although there is nothing wrong with that of course!

Eurochick - I love the South of France too. Totally relaxing and wonderful! Glad you had a well deserved break. And glad you managed to restrain yourself at the dentist. Good luck with the upcoming IUI cycle - I have fingers and toes crossed for you.

Lisacn - sorry about the rubbish headache. Glad it's easing.

I had a good meeting with my manager. She thinks I should ask GP for 3 weeks of sick leave to cover egg collection onwards. I was really impressed and grateful. Not sure if the GP will agree yet though.

Hello to everyone else

Sarlat x

Hi guys, just thought i'd say hello on the new thread. Here's to a BFP for everybody xxx

sarlat what do you do for work then, I like gross things too, there is no reason why your GP shouldn't give you the time off, do you have an occupational health dept, they can sign you off too

lisa sorry to hear about your migraine. Glad it's starting to lift. How are your treatments going? Has the full arsenal been brought out yet?

sarlat great news on your meeting today. I'm sure your GP will be understanding.

Well I'm getting ready for my days away. Starting with a much needed trip to the hairdressers tomorrow morning and then off to the countryside have a nice few days everyone :)

Hi everyone

I'm still lurking away, hope you don't mind. I'm really looking forward to reading about all the new BFP's on this thread, it has definitely got a lucky feeling and I reckon the finger is hovering

I've just passed the 8 week mark and had a scan privately last week. I was so worried beforehand but all was well and the dates matched up with what I'd calculated. It was a huge relief, however I think that pregnancy in general brings a lot of worry and long term ttc prior to that doesn't help. I am immensely grateful to have got this far though, it's still sinking in.

GOOD LUCK to everyone here and I will be thinking of you all x

Marking my place on the all new lucky number 7 thread. RIDICULOUSLY busy trying to cram 12 weeks work into 5 days but did enjoy a bday dinner and drinks with friends for mr wine last night yum yum. Lots to say to everyone later on

Hello lovely ladies!

Hope everyone is well? Can't believe there's a new thread, I must have missed a lot whilst I've been away?

Scotland was fabulous - I love it up there. We had glorious weather, which meant bbqs and chilled white wine for much of the week as well as the slight hint of a tan. Who'd have thought it? I always forget how nice it is just to be outdoors for the majority of the day, it makes such a difference.

We didn't talk about ttc once, probably because we kept busy and had other people to entertain us! Anyway, it did us the world of good and when we went back to the hospital yesterday we had a much more productive conversation about next steps. The doctor we saw - not our usual consultant - reassured us about the tests I'd had done, talked us through everything step by step and said that because of the sperm situation there wasn't any point doing anything more invasive right now and that ICSI is still our best, possibly only, chance at conceiving. Our consultant also came over to say hello and asked us if we were being treated ok he was obviously having an off day last time and we both came away feeling confident in the service again.

To cut a long story short, a combination of hearing the situation told to us by another doctor and feeling refreshed from the holiday means we've decided just to wait for our NHS IVF/ICSI, which will hopefully be in October. Doing more tests or moving clinics feels like another step towards 'last chance saloon' and we're not quite ready to go there yet! In the meantime, we're going to get back on the healthy living and get fit for our holiday in July.

Sorry this is a selfish post - I'll try to read everything I've missed but I wanted to mark my place on part 7 before I missed too much more.

Thanks Lisa for setting up the new thread, fingers crossed it is lucky 7 for all of us.

Good to hear from Kitty and Izzy lately, really glad to hear all is progressing well with you guys and hope you can start to relax now.

Good to hear you've enjoyed your respective breaks Euro and Lady and really glad you've had a positive meeting with the doctor Lady and have a way forward you're comfortable with. I wonder if the docs know how much difference the bedside manner makes even if the information being given is the same. at the dentist experience Euro and Joycep! After my last trip to the dentist I would be hard pressed to say which out of the the dental or gynae experience is actually worse.

Sarlat your manager sounds brilliant, definitely sounds like a good idea to get the 3 weeks off if you can get your doc to agree.

My post-holiday feelings are wearing off and I'm back in the doldrums again today. Had acupuncture last night, first time for a couple of weeks and she seemed really disappointed and baffled about why I'm not getting pregnant. It's been over two years now, I'm ovulating, MrA is fine, we are getting the timing spot on, surely there must be something else causing the problem yet all the consultant has offered is a long wait for one round of IVF. It baffles me that they will proceed to invasive, expensive treatment with only an 18% chance of success without actually knowing what is wrong. This 'unexplained' scenario based on the outcome of two blood tests seems like a copout.

sorry for the rant... it just seems massively frustrating and unfair. My acu said that from her observations women who are pushy and/or who pay to go private get much better care so I am girding myself for my next appointment in a couple of weeks and depending on the outcome of that will look into private clinics. Those of you who have had investigations, what (other than the bloods) were you offered by the NHS? I have been told that hsg was not an option because they only do that if you have had either abdominal surgery or a pelvic infection at some point in the past, yet I'm sure there are other health authorities that do it more as a matter of course. If I knew what was wrong I'm sure i would be able to get my head around it better and feel more positive... though it really helps to be able to talk to you ladies and know that I am not the only one in this particular boat. I was shocked by joycep's stats. I wish it was easier to be open about this stuff. I am sure some of my friends have had fertility problems or treatment but if they have they are not letting on.

Pah and meh. Best get back to some work. Waves to everyone, sorry for being a bit ranty, I do feel a bit better now I've got that off my chest.

Probably going to struggle to do full justice to catching up but will give it a try.

lovely to see you on here kitty to remind us to keep our eye on the prize it is so good to hear that you have got to 8 weeks and all is well. I think it must be super scary having taken a long time to get pregnant and I am anticipating being a total nightmare when I eventually get there. (trying not to say if)

nelly sorry you have been did af get you in the end? It would be good magic finger pointing timing for you I think.

euro glad you enjoyed France. Jealous!

ladygee I'm glad you had a nice holiday and that faith is restored in your clinic. Lots of time to get all ready now. And stranger things have happened than natural bfps when everyone said unlikely.

artemis sorry you have been feeling low. Unexplained is a bummer. Technically I am unexplained although I think the explaination is minor malfunctioning on a number of levels in the Wine department. The fact that I am about to have womb surgery doesn't make me feel unexplained but nor does it make me feel as if I'm about to be fixed for baby making. I thin kyou should push for a hsg or have you thought about having one privately? A good tube flush is helpful for so many people. I'm sorry that your acu is making you feel as if you aren't getting anywhere - do you like them? I've had two and whilst there was nothing especially wrong with the first, she always made me feel like I wasn't making the progress she'd like and was obsessed with my spotting and kept asking me if I had night sweats!! I left feeling more worried than when I arrived. I changed and the whole experience has been so much better.

lisa hope the migraine has gone

pout how you feeling fibroid sister?

princess I like your posts they are funny. I am soo impressed that you took your own food to a wedding! I am also liking your mood barometer. Mine is currently

I realised yesterday that as I lie on my arse waiting to heal this summer, a lot of you are going to be going through ivf, I can't believe it has come round as we have been talking about summer 2012 for so long on here. I will wave as spectator and cheer you all on in my cashmere socks with a feather tucked in each. My plan is as such.

1. Operation Fugitive Eviction
2. Heal (3 months please not 6) and get better.
3. Resume trying Aug (can't imagine shagging that soon after op but needs must!)while getting on the IVF waiting list. I want 6-8 more natural cycles to take me to the 24 cycle mark.
4. March 2013 3x private rounds IUI
5. Early summer 2013 IVF.

I don't want to take clomid.

I'm also hoping to start yoga teacher training next year if no baby seems imminent. Thought a back up plan might be advisable. I have no idea how long i'd pursue IVF. I reckon I could stump up enough debt to do a few rounds but I don't know where the cut off lies. I guess it's all about how you feel. Today, I can't imagine life without babies, especially after being a hands on Auntie these past few weeks and loving it so much. But I can imagine the other life too, it would just need filling with a lot of things. I think by the end of 2013 I might be ready to think about starting adoption. Or maybe not. I feel very scared about Tuesday and what it means so I've been trying to gear up for all eventualities. It feels horrific to think I could wake up and be told that my chances of having my own baby have gone. (inner sob)

Hi ladies

Thanks for doing the new thread lisa. I'll use this as my excuse not to properly catch up on all the posts I've missed, but glad that some of you have had lovely breaks and starting to get some good perspective on this whole flipping TTC lark. Great to hear from you kitty and izzy and that things are going well so far. And I'm so pleased you had lovely weather lisa, we were up north/west and it was gorgeous! Today it's torrential rain and freezing but hey that's why we don't run out of water up here. :)

euro you asked whether I was stressed when I had my blood tests - the answer is probably yes as I had some non-TTC stuff going on that was probably the most draining thing I've had to deal with in my life - worse than this crap even! So I'll just pin my hopes on it being that

I don't think I've said hello yet sarlat - you sound like you have this thing well under control, emotionally at least! Your boss sounds ace, I wonder what mine would/will say, I only recently started thinking about time off and realised I have things planned for most of my Annual Leave this year .

Eek wine is all this work to do with getting time off for your op?? Don't overdo it, it's only work!

So in Nelly news, AF still hasn't shown up. I'm 15DPO and absolutely no spotting, not even the tiniest bit which I normally get anything from 1 to 4 days before it's due. I have a bit of period like pain but nothing else. Yes, of course, I have POAS (I never ever ever am late so it's a bit of a novelty for me) and it was a BFN. So the question is, do I assume the test was duff/it was too early, and press "order" on the Amazon page I have open that has a double pack of First Response in there, knowing full well that AF will arrive the second I do. Or do I just ignore it until AF inevitably arrives, as if I am pregnant, not knowing about it might make it less stressful anyway . In any case, usually just typing something on MN that says "no spotting yet" is enough to bring it on, so I'm sure I'll be back in a couple of hours suitably pissed crushed.

I meant glad you had a nice time in Scotland ladygee. Not Lisa. Doh.

Oh I had this page open for ages before I started typing. Artemis get pushy! I am being given an HSG on the NHS despite there being no apparent need for one, as when I had dildo-cam, the consultant said you don't normally see the tubes on a scan, unless they are inflamed. So because he couldn't see them there was no cause to worry, but we'd do the test anyway because it often has a pro-fertility effect. I've had neither abdominal surgery or a pelvic infection. It's so frustrating when we are told different things like that. As soon as I've had the HSG I will go private, we can't really afford it but I'm not sure I can afford not to.

Wine your plan sounds very well thought out and achievable. Hopefully though, none of it will be necessary as the baby blocker will be removed. I just can't believe that isn't causing some (if not all) of the issues. It might just be enough to tip the scales or it might mean that your odd-shaped uterus is too confusing for the sperm to find there way about! Once it's removed, hopefully the uterus goes back to normal position, the sperm don't need sat-nav, and hey presto .

I know what you mean about where to stop re IVF etc. My friend that I spoke to yesterday said her boss had to have IVF both times (just had her second) but that the second one took 4 goes, although luckily they were all frosties. I think if I was made of money, I'd keep going for a fair bit, but it's hard to say without knowing how it would effect you. And sadly I suspect none of us are made of money. The NHS doc told me I could have 2 paid goes, but only if I'm under 40 and have been trying for 3 years, with an 18th month wait list. So that's another 2 and half years from now which would take me to 40 anyway! Plus, he said if you go private once you then only get one go on NHS and if you go private twice you don't get any free shots . What a rip off!! I'm so glad I pay my 40% taxes that I get such great value out of .

Anyway, off to examine my gusset in intimate detail some more.

Interesting, Nelly....

Wine, you will be fine. In less than a week you will be on the road to recovery, having evicted the Broid and all will be well.

Artemis I completely understand your frustration. I think we are being rushed towards IVF because of our ages. But I have a need to know why there is a problem. I really struggle with the "you are unexplained but we'll give IVF a go because it might work but we can't tell you why it might work".

Thanks Euro I think you're right, we are being rushed because of age. That's the excuse reason I was given for them doing no further investigation after the basic day 3 and 21 bloods. I'm like you, I want to know what the problem is. I thoroughly depressed myself this afternoon looking at stats on how rapidly fertility declines after 35

Ooh Nelly no spotting yet, that's encouraging enough to be worth pressing 'order' on that page I think... Thanks for sharing your HSG experience. I will get stroppy and push for one. I've heard lots of anecdotes about people getting pg quite quickly afterwards even though they found nothing wrong. If the NHS won't budge I could get it done privately but if I'm going to end up going private I might as well just pay for IVF. MrA is horrified at the potential cost but I know what you mean about not being able to afford not to. That is shite about the wait list - ours is a year, I thought that was bad - and going private bumping you off the NHS list! i haven't even asked if that would be the case here.

Wine my acu lady is lovely, she is very calming and knowledgeable and so far has been really upbeat. I think she picked up on me feeling like it was a lost cause yesterday and was suggesting I need to find a way towards a positive mindset or at least acceptance of what's going on and keep my spirits up... I haven't a bloody clue how I'm going to do that so was left feeling a bit at sea. I like your thinking about the 'other' life, I've being trying to imagine that too, the holiday gave me hope that there is an alternative way of living but it would require big changes. MrA isn't at that point yet though, he still sticks to the 'it will work' mantra, so I am spending too much time with this stuff just in my own head. I am sure your op will be fine, for the surgeon it will be completely routine and you'll have one big obstacle out of the way. You sound like you've got a sensible way forward mapped out which I think is half the battle. I don't blame you wanting to avoid clomid, it's not nice and if you are ov anyway there's no real reason to take it.

Well I pressed "order". Shall I set my timer to seconds or minutes for the time it takes for AF to arrive . I thought we had Amazon prime but it must have run out, so it's not going to arrive till next week anyway. Oh well, hopefully it has a really long shelf life. I've also ordered baby aspirin; and TCOYF. What the hell, there might be something in it I've missed.

Artemis I really really don't like it when I find those stats. They make me feel a bit sick. But lots and lots of people get pregnant over 35. I was googling wheatgerm earlier (don't ask, really, but I think I read it's good for egg quality) and I found a blog called the fertility diet or something. Anyway it was a 40yo woman who had been TTC for a year. Her doc then told her she had a less than 2% chance of conceiving. She was shocked, but at the same time said as she sat there she was thinking "who makes up these stats, and I refuse to be a statistic". She made radical diet changes and was pregnant naturally within 4 further months. Whilst I'm not sure yet how I feel about the diet part, I liked her attitude to shirk off the stats and take pro-active steps towards pregnancy anyway.

We'll get there :)

Oh also - you know how there was uproar about the facebook share/like button at the top of the conception threads? Well once I'd completed my purchase on Amazon, there was a massive button allowing me to post to facebook that i'd just bought 2 first response pregnancy tests. Just what I want all my friends to know....

Alright ladies, I was given a lecture about using my real name online and all the problems it can cause blah blah so this is now my new name, its lisa by the way.

nelly Glad yo have ordered the tests :) hopefully AF won't show and you'll have to rush to the store to buy a test, at the gusset watching

princess the head monster has gone thanks, I can't believe how good I felt this morning, well until I went to work

artemis BIG HUGS this is such a frustrating process but definitely get pushy!!!

ladyg very jealous of your hols, we planned to travel around Scotland when we had junior :(

wine yay for broid eviction very impressed with your plan too

kitty I was wondering if you had had your scan yet :)

well I've just had acupuncture, came home to find Mr Buzzy trying evict our squatters from the balcony, sadly Pete and Pam Pigeon are very determind

Evening

Lady - hi, glad you had a lively trip away. Your plan sounds like a good 'un!

Aretemis - sorry about the rubbish testing and diagnosing. That is strange that they won't do a HSG. I have no history of abdominal surgery or pelvic infection but my tubes were found to be swollen and in poor shape at the HSG. I'm not wishing to frighten you - I'm sure this won't be the case for you but it shows that the tubes could be a problem for some people. I have absolutley no symptoms. You should push for the test. And there are therapeutic benefits too.

Good luck for next week Wine - your plan is very well thought out. It is understandable to fear the worse. Will be thinking of you. Hope you are getting lots of time off work.

Nelly - Not sure I have everything under control totally - I think writing on here helps me to afirm what I am doing and why and offlad. I am trying my best and just hope the next stage works out ok. But your lack of AF sounds interesting. I really really hope this is the start of number 7 thread of good luck.

Lisa - will pm you re: job. x

Stimming scan is early tomorrow morning. This will determine if egg collection is next week. Eeek.

sarlat fingers crossed for tomorrow :)

Morning everybody. Good luck with the scan today sarlat.

6days left of my 2WW. I have an appointment wed to pick up oestrogen and clomid to start next cycle. DH is meant to be doing his SA today. I am working all day, and I have a feeling that without supervision he will not do it. I'll be waiting for the excuses when I get home!

Have a lovely day everyone.... Its nearly the weekend!!!!

Wohoo, new shiny lucky no 7 thread!

This is gonna be a crap catchup, as I'm on my phone, so apologies in advance!

star hope your scan goes ok today. I quite liked being able to see my follies on screen and found it reassuring that something was shown to be happening I didn't get lumps from the stims but did have bruises and puncture marks. The antagonist gave me a red itchy lump immediately afterwards, but I found applying an ice pack immediately prevented this.

buzzy (feels odd to be calling you that!) pleased to hear that the monster headache has gone. You poor thing. Hope you have a nice weekend planned to make up for it.

nelly I would sooooo have gone and purchased a 1st response by now. Hope the red bitch has stayed away.

wine not long until your shiny new womble. I think having back up plans is very sensible but am positive you won't need one! And can you teach me some yoga please??

princess have a great few days away. You have a will of iron with your brown diet. I'm sooooo impressed!

artemis I don't understand why they won't offer a hsg. How can they say you are unexplained when they haven't done all the tests? The disparity in fertility offerings from the NHS makes me very

mrsd pleased to hear your consultation went well. Hope you are still feeling ok about it. Interesting that the dr said that it could happen naturally tho take years. I always assume that there is no chance for us...

ladyg your holiday sounds fab! I'm v envious. And it sounds like just what you needed. We have our follow up consultation next week. Not expecting to hear anything particularly useful.

euro I'm envious of your break too! My mum is down in the Languedoc at the mo. So if you ovulate at the weekend and are doing iui with kings, what do they do? Cancel that cycle?! If we do go for iui & donor sperm I quite like the sound of kings apart from being shut at the weekend!

joyce I personally wouldn't worry too much about sore pre ov boobs. Mine tend to get sore too around then and were super sore when stimming during ivf and I know for sure that everything was ok then! Although I know not worrying is easier said than done. Mr Gin would be happy to use donor sperm if needs be. Luckily he's quite laid back about it all. I have idly looked at some of the sperm bank offerings. None sound as good as Mr Gin!

pout hope you are still making a good recovery. Do you know when your next op might be?

becks hope your DH gets down to it with the pot today!

Hi to everyone I've missed.

So not long until the meet up now. Did we sort out a venue? Am looking forward to it, although still not sure how to tell mr gin!

I'm in shag week and appear to be ovulating as normal, despite last month's interventions. Does anyone else find they have the desperate need to shag in shag week, even though they know there's no real point? I wish I could just forget it all, but can't when I'm so obviously ovulating...

Morning everyone,

Thanks for setting up the new thread buzzy, I reckon this one will be a lucky one. I like the number 7.

Good luck for the scan today sarlat.

Ohhh, nelly I am keeping everything crossed for you that AF stays away.

The holiday sounds great gin, there are such lovely places in the UK. I appreciate it so much more now I live away.

artemis I haven't had a hsg but that's because we found the cause with DH. I thought they always gave one for unexplained. Are you under a fertility specialist? Maybe you need to get pushy. My gynae did tell me that you can nearly always tell from someone's history if there will be a problem with the tubes, but clearly that's not true.

AF turned up yesterday. It's heavy but not painful. It's funny because for the last 6 months or so I've had no pain with my AF. This coincides with me taking a different type of multi vitamin because my others ran out. So, I just bought one I could get here. It might be a total coincidence but it's so nice not to have any pain with AF so I'm going to keep taking this brand.

I'm going to go this afternoon to the clinic to get my bloods done. Day 2 is ok to go isn't it? That's better than waiting until Monday I think. I think the Dr said any day between 1-5. I hate having blood taken, I hope the nurses here are good at finding my crappy veins.

It doesn't look like we can get an appointment with the genetics counsellor until the middle of June and then it will take at least 4 weeks from then for the results. We'd wanted to go away in August so I think we might book it and not start IVF until September. I hate how much waiting around there is.