Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake overindulgence

[WhyAlwaysBoris]

Continuation of the last thread.

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your metalling moments. All welcome so come on in and get settled into the plush sofas!

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So settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

Morning all

Thank u to all of u for the erpc and scan advise what im surmising then is it will prob be a No to a scan unless I start bleeding in which case I wouldn't then need one as I'd know it was all over > I think im finding it so hard to accept as everything was still intact no collapsing sac nothing add that I've had no pain or bleeding and I've got full symptoms again just seems impossible that I'm not. In fact if I'd had no scans I'd still firmly be believing I'm 9 weeks preg and my nt scan papers came through this morning 15 th June And I'd be getting all nervy about that.

Just so want to believe that by some miracle they may have got it wrong though I know they probably haven't ....Or they wouldn't have booked the erpc right?

Bluecrane I get what your saying about the ic cheapies and have just ordered some after my mc in dec it took 7 weeks for the Hcg to finally appear as negative I hope it's not the same this time

Marf I'm glad you are feeling more upbeat with the brown goo I'm sure it's just implantation

Midget hope u do stick around

Boris how's things with u ?

On phone again so trying to remember all as I can't scroll

mumtum i think you should just tell them all that you have told us about your existent symptoms. i just know i would feel exactly the same.

i have booked my MW referral appointment on Friday morning

it all just feels so real

Ugh. I'm having crazy pregnant lady metalling.

I changed hospitals a few weeks ago because I got pissed off at the uselessness of my original team, and was told that the existing bookings should be cancelled.

I got a call this morning from the original hospital's antenatal team asking me where I was as I had an appointment with them. I said I thought everything had been cancelled, and got an indrawn breath and an 'oh, I'm so sorry, don't worry, I'll take you off our list', . And now I'm panicking because she thought that I'd miscarried and what if it's fate?

Fuck, I'm actually like a crazy. Still, three days till I find out if it's still going ok. I wish I had a viewing panel in my pubic area. It'd make life MUCH easier.

marbles Just to be certain, did these come from your... kitchen?!

mumtum Holding you in my thoughts. In theory, I'm sure you can have another scan if that's what you really need - but it may well be a case of they'll cancel your current slot for the erpc, book you a scan and then rebook the erpc. It's worth asking what the protocol is, you never know they may just be able to slot you in for a two minute check before your scheduled surgery.

Hooray for brown gunk vanishing marff - certainly sounds like implantation... oh, and stop waking the blimming baby, jeeze!

martha - thanks for the invite to the VIP area!! Am glad your gunk is clearing too - so it mine

Sorry for briefest of posts - DS3 screaming blue murder and I have to get out go and do something to stop him!!!

GPB spat tea out over my computer laughing at 'pubic viewing area'.

Please don't worry, if hospitals being inefficient were prophetic in any way i'd be dead. It is amazing how rubbish they can be, and glad you cottoned on to it and went somewhere better. Well done. It doesn't mean anything bad for the baby.

My big mistake has been trying to stick with Croydon University Hosp when in reality they are just the shittiest hosptial in the world evidence here

Today i went to the epu there for blood tests, checked where to go on the big map at the main entrance but when i got there-no epu. Wandered around for ages. Someone sent me to maternity thinking it had moved there, wandered around there too, couldn't find it.

Then someone else sent me to antenatal which was hard as where i found out the baby had died. Still couldn't find it. Ended up in tears. A nice nurse pointed to the right building from the car park.

Got there over an hour after arriving at the hospital. Every single bloody sign in that place is wrong. Its not as if people go to EPU for a laugh, they goes because they are worried, and could do without wandering around for an hour first.

Apparently EPU moved to its current location two years ago but they haven't changed the signs yet.

Waiting for my hcg result- nurse didn't seem very confident- test still shows a very faint line- she said 'really we call this a shadow rather than a line'- will have another one in 48 hours. Will have to grit my teeth to go- I absolutely bloody hate that place now.

Wonderful news manda you have been such a source of support and information to all of us on here, I am so pleased you have got your happy ending!!

martha I had exactly the same at your stage, it lated for 5 days and got progressively worse, even one wipe of red and I was convinced it was all over again as that is how my chemicals started. However the difference was I had no cramps. Fingers crossed!

tiago could it have been discharge? I seem to be getting that lots and it has me rushing to the loo to check its not red!

Boris, that's really odd because I've just changed from PRUH to Croydon - I know it has a terrible reputation but honestly I've had much better care from there than I did from Princess Royal.

The EPU is in a bloody stupid place though, it's tucked away behind the service buildings. They get your HCG blood results back quickly, IIRC - I think I had it done first thing and then got a call from them that afternoon.

I decided to go to croydon as it was the nearest, & ignored their terrible reputation too. I now know it is richly deserved. Have you read my thread in aibu about it? Other posters say some interesting things about them too....

God, you were treated dreadfully, I'm not surprised that you're not happy with the idea of continuing treatment with them.

It's so difficult because I found that they were much better with everything for me than PRUH were, so I'm finding I'm getting better treatment there. The consultant I'm under (Mr Booker) for recurrent miscarriage has been great, although I did bypass the usual system and self refer to him as it was all taking too long and I'd already had a BFP so I wanted the testing done NOW.

Where do you think you'll end up? A friend of mine had her baby via ELCS at Lewisham and said they were very good (I think they had IVF there too) but I've heard bad things about there too. I didn't really rate Tommy's when I went to the EPU there, but the staff at Kings were lovely when we found out about the last MMC.

Just realised how many hospitals I've been to in this journey... That's not all of them

boris, good luck with the hcg results. I am sorry you had such a carry on to get them.

Thinking about you mumtum. Not long to go now. Big hugs.

I am in a bit of a state. No reason, other than pure and simple metalling. I cannot feel thd baby move, which I know is normal at 15 weeks. I know. But I am flapping anyway. I have a MW appointment on Thurs, where they will check for the heartbeat. This was the start if the signs that things were wrong with the 17 wk mc. I cannot tell you how scared I am of this appointment. I hate hate hate dopplers. And I do have to go to the scan on my own next week. It could only be arranged for 2 wks later, so a bit pointless really.

Also, my ever fertile friend has announced she is expecting her 4th child (her eldest is still 4), in November. I told her about my pregnancy too. But now I keep thinking if when things go wrong, I'll have to keep being happy for her when I am grieving. I know it would necessarily happen, but it might, and it is scary.

try not to panic jaffa. it's totally normal to not feel the baby at 15 weeks.

that appointment would scare me if it reminds you of the past experience. try to chill out if you can it's onyl a couple more days.

your hospitals sounds really bad grand and boris i am lucky mine seems pretty good so far.

Afternoon everyone,

I've just had a long think about my mmc for the first time in ages, because ed sheerans released this song little bump the last sentence really struck a chord, its beautiful, and obviously about pregnancy loss. I just wanted to share it with you all.

Xxx

Nurse just phoned.

HCG is only 32.

I'm supposed to be 4 + 3 today.

Google says normal range for 4 +3 is 400-1000, and average is 700.
Even if i ov'd late and was only 4 today seems it should be between 50 and 100. But if I was really late i couldn't have got the positive tests on thursday and friday last week and it still only be 32 today if it is doubling iyswim.

Does anyone have any experience please?

Nurse didn't say much, just asked if i'd had any bleeding or pain today and to wait till wednesday.

I don't want to tell my DH, he's been through so much already

Boris - I had this before, but I was a week further on. When I asked on MN one poster said that she only had a really low score when she was about 5 weeks - she called herself a 'slow burner'. From what she was saying the important bit is if the levels are doubling every 48-72 hours. I can't find the link but will continue to search and post it up here. She was ?20 weeks maybe when she posted.

Perhaps you implanted late and the hCG is only just getting going in your system?

You need to have another test on Wednesday. More waiting. Sorry. FX for you.

I do have the form already for a wed blood test, so should be less of an ordeal to get it, and they said i will have the result on thursday.

Gosh i really hope i am like that poster you mention icequeenkate but it seems to me it can't be anywhere doubling because i got positive tests last thursday, so in theory it should have doubled twice since then.

Even if the tests were very sensitive, to pick up something then must mean it should be more than 32 now after doubling twice??

She also said my progesterone was 41, don't know what this means. Anyone know?

sorry for the me, me posts

Boris - found it. This is what batteryhen said to me:

My Hch levels started off so low that when I went to the clinic - the dr told me I wasn't pregnant as my urine test didn't show up. My first HCG was 58, 2 days later it was 85 - 2 days later it was 154( all this around the 5 week mark). I was thinking this was another mc ( I have had 3 before) - but it turns out some babies are just 'slow burners'. I am now 20 weeks and all ok so far

There is a myth that HCG had to double every 48 hours. It doesen't. A raise of 66% is sufficient. I used the hcg calculator here

There is also a lady on my conception thread who had low hcg and she is now 13 weeks. - Please keep the faith until proven otherwise xx

thanks for finding it for me, icequeen. reasurring at 5 weeks she was only 58, but then she didn't get positive hpt and i did, so don't know if i can hope or not...

Just listened to that "Small Bump" song on the train home - brought a tear to my eye, think everyone around me wondered what was going on. Then watched the video on youtube when I got home. Seeing the a&e department in the video really brought it all back to me what a lonely, sad experience mc is. :(

Jaffa - I am 16 weeks tomorrow and I cannot feel the baby move at all. I do however know that there was a hearbeat on Friday afternoon - so lack of feeling at this stage really doesn't tell you anything. :) Try not to worry.

Hello all can I join please? I'm TTC number 2 after a very early pregnancy loss in Dec and then a blighted ovum diagnosed at 8 weeks in March. It took 9 weeks after the ERPC for my period to return so this is our first proper month of trying again - I think my poor partner is exhausted already. Looking forward to having some company over the next few months

Thank you for talking me down a bit pebs and tiago. This was always going to be my major metalling moment after what happened last summer. I just cannot relax coming up to such a big milestone for me. I just have to get past it. :) Being on holiday was a great distraction. Now I am back to normal, it is hard not to panic. Because last time was quite innocuous, I can't rely on thinking all seems well. But I just have to hold on for a bit longer...

boris, I am so sorry you have this anxiety. I hope you get good news on Thurs. I had a mc that was diagnosed with low hcg levels in January. I am happy to talk to you about it in detail if/when you like, if you need. But as icequeen says, it does not necessarily mean bad news, especially so early on when a few days makes a huge difference. The progesterone is an indicator of ongoing pregnancy, the higher the better. Mine was low. I think it was 17 when they did the bloods for me. My bloods were at about 6 or 7 weeks. You should ask the MW/ EPU team when you go back on Weds.

jollyb, welcome to the thread. I hope your first month of ttc goes well.

Welcome jollyb, sorry you have to be here but it's a brilliant thread - you'll find reassurance, comfort, stern talkings-to, and often cake.

boris, hope you get some clearer news on Thurs.

Meanwhile, my NT scan is tomorrow and I am so deep in the mosh pit I should be wearing giant studded leather wristbands and a vintage Monsters Of Rock t-shirt.

boris also wanted to point you to the hcg ranges for normal pregnancy as reported by the American Pregnancy Association.

4 wks from LMP 5 - 426
5 wks from LMP 18 - 7,340

You are at the low end of normal, which is still normal. When they diagnosed me, I was out of these ranges all together. Then they scanned to confirm. Try not to panic.