The Rat Smacketeers will all get BFP's this month and we are Brooking No Argument!

[TheLittleFriend]

See a Rat. Smack it.

I agree - buy a late gift. I am still that MIL didn't buy us a gift and we got married 4 years ago!

Imps I would get them something. At our wedding quite a few people didn't get us anything. I also put thanks for coming to our wedding on the cards I then had one huffy friend ask why we didn't thank her for the present. She found said present in her spare room

I've just had an awful appointment at the GPs. In January he said he was referring us to a fertility specialist, I went today as I still haven't heard anything. Anyway he hasn't referred us. Basically he has just referred us to the ivf board. If they accept us we will have further investigations and maybe ivf. If they don't accept us this is the end of the road for us as far as fertility treatment on the NHS. I asked for a HSG, He said he didn't see the point and it's not necessary. I'm so angry, I've come home and started pouring over NICE guidelines. According to that he's right, he doesn't have to do that as all my tests so far are normal.

He suggested I go private, I said I'm not made of money pathetic attempt at humour to which he looked at me like I was a right scally. I really don't know where we go from here.

Cupcakes you have to go and see another GP. Why not refer you for an HSG?? Surely that's the only way to check if your tubes are okay - that's not going to show up in any other tests, is it??

God, no wonder you're angry.

That's silly cupcakes it's way cheaper for the NHS to perform an HSG than IVF? Can you see a different GP?

I'll have to speak to DH when he gets home. There is no way my GP will do anything else for us, I'll have to get a second opinion. I've got a friend whose husband is a GP so I may ask him for advice.

I can't stop crying, I feel like this is it for us. I don't know how we will afford IVF if we have to pay for it ourselves. My GP said he thinks it's unlikely they will offer it to us.

Oh cup :( this is a dark place, but it's most definitely not the end of the line

Why does the GP think you'll be ineligible for IVF? Do you know when you'll find out?

I don't think GPs have the experience or authority to know what's going to work and what's not. Do you reckon at the very least you can get referred to a specialist for a second opinion?

Oh Cupcakes my love, I could shake your GP by the shoulders. Please take what he says with a massive shovel-full of salt - he is not a fertility expert by any stretch and by the sounds of it he is being a cold-hearted defeatist. They're not all like that - you will find a GP who is more willing to help.

Plus, focus on the fact that you had a chemical pregnancy last cycle. While it is sad that you did, it does means that sperm is meeting egg which is most of the battle. The fact that the last little bean didn't stick does not mean that no little bean will ever stick, it really doesn't. And although you've been trying for a long time, this does not mean that a natural conception is ruled out - sometimes it just takes longer - your mum is (well you are, I guess) living proof of that.

Have a nice if you want one, or a if not.

Thanks Imps you talk a lot of sense, as always.

Pop he doesn't think we will be accepted for NHS funded treatment as the pct have a strict age criteria which we don't fall into. So I'm completely as to why he is even referring us.

I've just spoken to DH now, he is so mad. He is going to make an appointment with a different GP tomorrow and demand a second opinion and a referral to a specialist. I can't go as I'm at work but I don't know if I'm helping matters. I'm really struggling to assert myself as I have to deal with most of the GPs at my practice professionally as well.

Cupcakes that GP sounds like a total arse! Please try not to be upset, it sounds like DH has a good plan, the very least you should expect is a referral to a gynae at your local hospital and I'm certain they would carry out HSG.

You're most welcome my lovely

Cupcakes my GP told me a similar story so I rang the PCT helpline and the nearest clinic to get the truth. Then I went back to a different GP at the practice to ask for the referral. I would get all the facts you can, there is loads on the NICE guidelines about treatment provided up to 40th birthday. Of course all PCTs set their own guidelines, you need to find out if the age things is really a factor. I do hope you can get it sorted out, but as Imps says it is a sticky bean that is needed. Big hugs my dear.

Imps we had quite a few guests at our wedding who didn't give gifts, although we didn't have a list or request anything, but also a few who didn't even give cards mostly DH friends We did get a really nice gift sometime after the wedding of a framed single record of our first dance, with a little plaque of the date etc. I thought that was really sweet and thoughtful gift. But I would get something and take it round and explain the situation, if they are good friends you can have a laugh about it.

Ladies who chart using fertility friend is it worth paying for the VIP membership?

They offering me 90 days for $16.95, am tempted as I have got quite into temping now but does it offer anything different other than the obvious ironic BFP

Morning all.

CD1 here, AF at least had the decency to turn up first thing which meant I avoided wasting an expensive First Response test! So 10 days of pumping myself with drugs and being awake half the night for nothing - gah! Onwards to cycle 34 of TTC#2 and last chance for a 2012 baybee!

Oh Olives so sorry about AF. You will get a Christmas baby though, which is the best

Sparks I love a statistic too

I Can't believe your GP Cups. Good on your DH for trying to sort it out. Are you going to go back today?

And on the wedding gift front, one of my best friends, who was also my bridesmaid, turned up with no card, no gift, and no money for the bar at the reception. Needless to say I was very with her. I didn't expect a present, just a card would have done!

Grrrrr Olives, AF is a big stinky bumhead. You are waaaaaay better than her. That Christmas baby will be yours! What a wonderful way to spend the festive season!

Cake sale today has been disasterous - hardly anyone has bought anything in this year. I really do work with the biggest bunch of miserable turds. Management should (but won't) take note - the way they run this place has made people so grumpy that they can't even be bothered to bake a cake anymore. 10 days to go! Yeh!

My stupid AF only lasted 2 days after all that, hardly worth it AF shall henceforth be known as big stinky stupid bumhead imps BSSB.

maybe any news yet?

cupcakes your GP is a twonk, fact.

sparks I am not tracking anything this month.

please all slap me if I mention a single related acronym [CD, OPK, DPO, POAS etc etc]

I don't want a Christmas baby. I am Christmas baby and it sucks not getting 2 opportunities across the year for presents & parties. Most of my family are December, January & February so it's a bloody expensive time of year as it is. Yep, think I just nailed it for this month then!

TFFIF folks

AND If I get BFP this month, my due date calculates to be 25th of Fucking December! No! Needs

Scarlett Most of my families birthdays are November-February too! So I think that makes us prime candidates for Christmas babies

No AF. CD40 and counting.

Imps your colleagues sound about as much fun as mine. I have decided I am going to try baking some macaroons this weekend. For all those who love to bake, I have discovered a new magazine 'Baking Heaven' It's amazing, 101 recipes in each issue