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TTC/Pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 6

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Arianrhod · 02/03/2012 10:30

A positive thread for all those diagnosed with High or Very High NK Cells and looking to start TTC or already pregnant on Prednisolone and/or Intralipid treatment.

Newcomers very much welcome!

Part 5 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1391787-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-5

Part 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1366323-TTC-Pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-4

Part 3 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1348773-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-3

Part 2 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1323594-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar-part-2

Part 1 here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1236324-TTC-pregnancy-on-Prednisolone-or-similar

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BellyD · 03/04/2012 18:02

What a good news day all round! Great news duggs let's hope it's a another happy news day on the 16th for you and digi.

Congrats on reaching 24 weeks free glad to hear you are celebrating with a beer albeit a non alcoholic one!

Still thinking of you and mini choccy choccy, hope your friends and family are looking after you.

I have had an LH, FSH and E2 test today after sitting out last month due to starting Hydroxy. Had a saline sonogram last week which showed less than 10% scarring from my ERPCs so Dr thinks it shouldn't impact ability to get pregnant too much. free did Dr S re test your NK cell levels after you had been on the Hydroxy for a bit? Anyway feeling positive about TTC this month.

Abney · 03/04/2012 18:30

Duggs well done today. What a relief. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you on the 16th. Do you just have to do the regular test or is it a different process? You will defo get there in the end hopefully 2 in 1 go!

Freelance

Re the Progesterone every little trickle makes me think blood! I decided the last time I would not check all of the time but of course through squinted eyes and a prayer I did look a couple of times. I once got out of the shower and I could see this waterery browny mark on the floor only to realise it was a teabag that had dripped. I had to study long and hard to reach this conclusion. After so many mc's my mind won't let me think anything positive always what's this what's that. The only thing I would like to ask is that sometimes putting it in the front end I can feel it all lumpy as I push it up. Not all of the time but some of the time and I hate the feel of it. I was just wondering it it is the norm.

Pebbles73 · 03/04/2012 18:42

Just popping on to say fab news Duggs am so relieved for you and had been lurking all afternoon for news! Just make sure you take it easy now and look after yourself, get your dh to do all the running around :)

Choccy was so sorry to read about your Dad, I can't imagine how you must be feeling. I will keep fc that your little bean is doing well.

Free already emailed you today but congrats on reaching viability. Relax now and enjoy your pregnancy. Grin

Waves to everybody else.

GreenOlives · 03/04/2012 18:46

Brilliant news Duggs! Grin

freelancegirl · 03/04/2012 19:58

yeah Abney I can relate to that feeling. Must have been awful with the tea bag!! I was even so worried a couple of times when walking down the road, if feeling a blob of something come out (TMI i realise) if it was quiet I would quickly pop a finger down there to check if it was white or red! Sometimes I could feel the pessary crumble when I put it up there, especially if it had been somewhere warm beforehand. Ugh, how I still hate that smell and the goo. I found using towels sometimes made the smell more intolerable to me (something about combining it with the smell of the papery material) so often just had to rely on lots of clean knickers.

Belly great news that the scarring is not too bad. No he didn't ever check my NK cells again actually, I think he generally just has confidence in the fact that the meds are doing the trick. I know a couple of people have had second tests but am not sure why. One of my (totally ungrounded, unresearched) theories was that maybe the actual number of cells doesn't go down anyway, but the level at which they are dangerous is lowered).

Thanks for all the nice words about reaching viability. Am pretty sure Charlie should be there tomorrow too. I might update the list to commemorate.

Go Digi with the pineapple and raspberry tea! What about sex and wine - aren't they supposed to help? Or a hot curry? Am sure it's all totally ungrounded and the baby will come when it is ready.

freelancegirl · 03/04/2012 20:09

Am hoping I have this right, all of you please feel free to add/edit.

Duggs I have taken the liberty of moving you to waiting to test, as technically you now are.

Everyone else, please feel free to add anything I am missing! Just under 3 weeks until Charlie and I hopefully join the third trimester gang, by which time Digi should definitely be in the Baby gang and also PQ will hopefully be gearing up to join the second trimester gang and also we will hopefully have more folk to add to the BFPs.

Tuesday 3rd April

The babies are arriving!
Stogan - V high NKC - cycle#2, DC#1, Baby girl born Sunday 11/03/12 7lb13.5. Our First Pred Thread Baby!

BFP
3rd Trimester
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 38+1 Due 16/04/12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks 35+1 Due date: 07/05/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 ? 34+3 C-section booked: 14/5/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- 32+0 c-section booked for 21/5/12
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1 31+4

2nd Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxychloroquine, Pred, Intralipids, 400 Cyclogest, Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st Pred cycle. DC#1 24+0 Next appt with Mr S, 19th May
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 23+6
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 20+4
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 20+2
FrozenNorthPole - RMC, NKC status unknown, Cyclogest, aspirin, 15+5
Mercator - V High NKC, TTC#2. 15+4
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. - 14+5
dunnit - V High NKC - , IVIG, Cyclogest and Clexane. 14+5

1st Trimester
PQ77 - V High NKC TTC #2 (BFP cycle one but mc) 10+1
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 from March (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine) 5+5
London - High NKC, add details!

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, pred cycle 5, Super Ov Cycle 2
Abney, V High NKC, TTC#2, super ov.
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - IVF cycle Testing 16th April

TTC
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 1st cycle Super Ov
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
BellyD - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, TTC#1 cycle 2, hydroxychloroquine
eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, pred cycle 4,
Willitbe - RMC, NKC not tested, TTC #4 cycle 2 (after m/c 12) Fertility consultant prescribed pred.
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc, combining IVF with Immunotherapy
GreenOlives - High NKC, TTC#2, Pred Cycle 2
Arianrhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1
AandRmum - High NKC
Cornflakes30 - V High NKC, underactive thyroid
picolina - V High NKC MC on treatment
Brownstag - V High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2
Zoeella V.high NKC, Factor V Leiden. abandoned IVF, pos PCOS
Suemays - V High NKC, TTC #2. Superov. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Holldoll - High NKC - Pred, Cyclogest & aspirin

duggs1976 · 03/04/2012 20:13

Great. Thanks free. Interested in a full report of non alcoholic wine when u return!

ChoccyPud · 03/04/2012 20:22

Hi all. What a lovely lot of good news today!

free that is fantastic to get to viability.

duggs fingers and toes crossed for you... Thought they only put one back in at yr age? But double the chance is great and I really hope this works for you.

digi sounds like you're doing everything to persuade mini digi to arrive!

I'm just taking one day at a time, and today I am 5 weeks 5 days, still with no sign that anything is amiss. Still getting the odd little twinge in my right hand side, boobs are still feeling bruised. And a big fat yes to the cyclogest fall out panics!! It's hateful. Last time I used the tradesman's which never seemed to create much mess the following day, but let's just say that I'm so bloated and, umm, windy, that that simply would not be practical at the moment. Sorry for TMI! Blush

I'm also completely exhausted (another good sign iykwim) but have managed morning and afternoon naps every day which has helped. I'm home again now too until Sunday I think, which is relaxing in itself. Not the same in another bed, even if it's one you've slept in for 20 years.

The funeral will be on Friday 13th, which my Dad would appreciate with a little wry smile. I'm writing a speech which dh will read for me, and ideas keep coming to me surprisingly easily. I thought I'd struggle to find the words, but I've already thought that I'll kind of mirror his speech from my wedding and pick up on a few things he said, eg gags he made based on Monty Python and turn them to memories of him... I'll sit down on Friday and do it. I'm going to try to concentrate on me the next couple of days, it's focus on bump time, so far as I can. Back to work tomorrow, acu at lunchtime, then home for my nap :) . I'm quite looking forward to a little bit of normality tbh.

I've moved my scan and possible intralipids to two weeks today. Need to get funeral out of the way before finding out what's going on in there. One thing at a time.

Coconutfeet · 03/04/2012 20:40

Wow Duggs, that is brilliant news!! You must have been on tenterhooks this morning. Now, fingers crossed for the 16th April.

Congrats to Free for the 24 week milestone. It feels good to reach those milestones, doesn?t it! Hope the aubergine parmesan hasn?t had any ill effects?

Choccy Glad you?re able to focus on yourself a little bit and get some rest. It sounds like your dad would love the speech you?re writing.

Frozen ? Sorry to hear you?re feeling down. I think a lot of us understand that feeling of not really being listened to by doctors. Very frustrating. I remember having my appointment with the recurrent miscarriage clinic at my local hospital and leaving feeling like the word ?care? just wasn?t really on their agenda. I felt very much like a number to be ticked off. (And as it turns out, they didn?t uncover any of the problems discovered by mr S?s tests. I knew they wouldn?t test for NKC but I thought they might have discovered my sticky blood or thyroid issues).

FrozenNorthPole · 03/04/2012 20:43

Choccy - more hugs coming your way. I had to smile at the Monty Python memories ... it's that kind of idiosyncracy that is going to strike a cord with all who knew him. Your dad sounds like an incredibly lovely man.
Duggs - that is FANTASTIC news. Sending sticky wishes in your direction now.
Free - yes, it's the lack of awareness of recent research that really gets to me. A locum ob/gyn consultant tried to tell me the other day that progesterone supplementation causes baby girls to masculinise. Thank goodness I've a) read the evidence and b) have two little girls, both of whom came from pred / aspirin / progesterone pregnancies, and thus know that he's talking crap. Imagine, though, if someone took him at his word and came off progesterone because of it Sad

Coconutfeet · 03/04/2012 20:44

Digi - This is for you. I'm highly sceptical but would love to know if it works. i sounds as though it might bring on the cheese sweats if nothing else:

Can something you eat actually cause labor to begin?
For more than twenty years, women have gone to Scalini's Italian restaurant in Cobb County, Georgia, with one thing on their minds: To go into labor. They always order the Eggplant Parmesan, which, so far, has helped encourage more than 300 babies to come into the world within 48 hours of their mom eating the meal.
The restaurant promises results within two days. If you haven't had your baby by then, expectant moms get a gift certificate for another try. The chefs at Scalini's shared their recipe with us. If it doesn't work, sorry, there's no gift certificate -- but you can use the recipe again, absolutely free of charge. (For best results, don't try it until your due date.)
Eggplant Parmesan alla Scalini's Ingredients:
3 medium size eggplants
1 cup of flour
6 eggs, beaten
4 cups fine Italian bread crumbs, seasoned
Olive oil for sautéing
8 cups of marinara sauce*
1/2 cup of grated Romano cheese
1/2 cup of grated Parmesan cheese
1/2 lbs of mozzarella cheese shredded
2 cups of ricotta cheese
Instructions:
After you wash the eggplant, slice them into 1/4 inch thick slices. You may choose to peel the eggplant before you slice it, however you may want to leave the skin on since the skin contains a lot of vitamins. Place the eggplant slices on a layer of paper towels and sprinkle with a little salt, then cover with another layer of paper towels and hold it down with something heavy. This will drain the excess moisture. Let them set for about an hour.
Working with one slice of eggplant at a time, dust with flour, then dip in beaten eggs, then coat well with bread crumbs. Saute' in preheated olive oil on both sides until golden brown.
In baking dish, alternate layers of marinara sauce, eggplant slices, ricotta, parmesan, and romano cheeses, until you fill the baking dish about an 1/8 inch from the top. Cover with shredded mozzarella cheese and bake for 25 minutes in 375 degree oven. Let set for 10 minutes before serving.
Scalini's Marinara Sauce
2 tablespoons of chopped garlic
3 tablespoons of olive oil
8 cups chopped tomatoes (fresh or canned)
1 cup onions chopped
1/2 cup of fresh chopped parsley
1 teaspoon of oregano
1 teaspoon of crushed red pepper
1/8 cup of fresh chopped sweet basil
Pinch of thyme
Pinch of rosemary
One teaspoon salt
One teaspoon black pepper
Lightly sauté the onions in olive oil in large pot for a few minutes. Add garlic and saute' another minute. Add tomatoes and bring sauce to boil, then turn heat to low. Add remaining ingredients, stir, cover and let simmer for one hour, stirring occasionally.

batteryhen · 03/04/2012 21:19

Just popping to say I am really pleased for duggs :) fingers crossed for the 16th xx

choccy glad to hear you are bearing up so to speak xx difficult,horrible times,but lots of hugs for you xx

Havingkittens · 03/04/2012 21:22

Wow, free, viability! Congratulations!

I've been using the tradesmen's for the cyclogest, which I'm using from OV - AF or continuing with BFP. I have worried about going to bed with it in there after a curry or bean based meal, thinking I might inadvertently shoot the cat at high velocity whilst he snoozes at the end of the bed but no problems so far. And from my past posts you'll all know I do like a good fart! Grin. I do find my morning, erm, evacuations are slightly more urgent after using it but apart from that nothing untoward.

choccy, one day at a time is the best you can do right now. You will feel different every day, or even every hour. Your dad sounded like a sweetheart and I know he will want you to focus on your little bean. Sending you lots of love and hugs.

duggs, I know you are a red wine girl. My auntie gave up drinking a few years ago and she drinks red wine from Ariel which she really rates. I think she orders it from here www.lono.co.uk/

Well, today I am 4-5dpo and I have cramps. This seems to happen to me every bloody month. Why? So annoying. It used to get my hopes up, thinking it was implantation, but after a year of it happening every cycle I'm not holding my breath.

Have moved myself to waiting to test and SO cycle 2.

Tuesday 3rd April

The babies are arriving!
Stogan - V high NKC - cycle#2, DC#1, Baby girl born Sunday 11/03/12 7lb13.5. Our First Pred Thread Baby!

BFP
3rd Trimester
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 38+1 Due 16/04/12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks 35+1 Due date: 07/05/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2, DC#2 ? 34+3 C-section booked: 14/5/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2, DC#2- 32+0 c-section booked for 21/5/12
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP Clomid cycle#3, DC#1 31+4

2nd Trimester
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxychloroquine, Pred, Intralipids, 400 Cyclogest, Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st Pred cycle. DC#1 24+0 Next appt with Mr S, 19th May
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR, DC#2/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). 23+6
batteryhen - High NKC, factor v leiden. DC#1 BFP cycle 3. 20+4
coleyoz - V High NKC. DC#2, BFP cycle2, 20+2
FrozenNorthPole - RMC, NKC status unknown, Cyclogest, aspirin, 15+5
Mercator - V High NKC, TTC#2. 15+4
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC - TTC#2. - 14+5
dunnit - V High NKC - , IVIG, Cyclogest and Clexane. 14+5

1st Trimester
PQ77 - V High NKC TTC #2 (BFP cycle one but mc) 10+1
ChoccyPud - V High NKC - TTC#1 from March (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine) 5+5
London - High NKC, add details!

TTC
Waiting to test
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 2nd cycle SO - testing 9th April
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, pred cycle 5, Super Ov Cycle 2
Abney, V High NKC, TTC#2, super ov.
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - IVF cycle Testing 16th April

TTC
buster76 -V High NKC, Factor V Leiden.
Lemonsherbet - TTC#1 v high/high NK, Mthfr, thyroid issues, pred 1st trim & Intralipids 2nd on bfp
BellyD - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, TTC#1 cycle 2, hydroxychloroquine
eurochick - TTC#1 High NKC, pred cycle 4,
Willitbe - RMC, NKC not tested, TTC #4 cycle 2 (after m/c 12) Fertility consultant prescribed pred.
Pebbles - TTC#1 High NKC, PCOS, super ov cycle 1 (post IVF - 1 chemical, 1 mc, combining IVF with Immunotherapy
GreenOlives - High NKC, TTC#2, Pred Cycle 2
Arianrhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2
ScooterChaser - V High NKC - TTC#2 (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Breezyweezy - V High NKC - TTC#1
AandRmum - High NKC
Cornflakes30 - V High NKC, underactive thyroid
picolina - V High NKC MC on treatment
Brownstag - V High NKC, 3 yo DS is a Pred Baby! TTC #2
Zoeella V.high NKC, Factor V Leiden. abandoned IVF, pos PCOS
Suemays - V High NKC, TTC #2. Superov. (Pred & Hydroxychloroquine)
Holldoll - High NKC - Pred, Cyclogest & aspirin

picolina123 · 04/04/2012 07:04

free congratulations , do you find yourself stressing less
got my nk tests yesterday and no change, it went from 1.98 to 1.99 , was hoping it went down so i could just take the 25mg for the first 3 mths and not go up to the 40 ONCE i fall preg again. i have to go back again next tue as mr s was not in and they need to check with hin as to the plan.

my clearble monitor also went to high yesterday and today, so maybe ive just ovulated very late or not, dont know if i should trust it , lets see if my temp goes up.
ive pretty much finished work ( still have to go , but just packing and stuff) and bored out of my brain!
i asked the lady in the clinic ( forgot her name) whats the plan if i dont ovulate in the next few mths or if my cycle is too short etc etc , she said by then (june) the pred would not be causing any problems and i would have to get my gp to refer me to the fertility clinic to have it checked out.

zoeella · 04/04/2012 07:47

Hi ladies,

Just wanted to pop in and let you know I had my second Nkc test results back yesterday after having monthly drips and steroids, my numbers have come down from very high to below normal range, so the treatment is working am sooo pleased just got to get preg now!!!! Also on the thrombophilia panel it came back + for Factor V Leiden which I knew already but it also says I have raised FactorViii which is a new one on me any one know what this means? Zoe x

duggs1976 · 04/04/2012 08:41

zoella that is very interesting. I do think there should be a natural follow up for all of us -ESP at 6 mths on the programme. You would think dr s would push for it as scientifically ( I'm no scientist) but surely any trial kind of treatment should have a monitoring period some way in. If this pg attempt works then off i go but if not I think I will get tested again. what did dr s say about it ? How long have you been on programme?

duggs1976 · 04/04/2012 08:42

Oh and kittens v interested and grateful for red wine tip off!!!

Havingkittens · 04/04/2012 09:08

Strangely, I was re-tested for my NK Cell levels after 6+ months on the programme on the NHS. My levels had gone up from high to v high. I have another NHS follow up appt next tuesday. I don't know if they will re-test me or not, but if so it will be interesting to see if they've changed. The first time I was re-tested I think it was after/during my 2 month break so I don't know if they shot up after coming off the pred? Anyway, I'm mostly just going to see if I can get some more NHS prescriptions for pred as my GP won't prescribe it for me anymore and I need to try and save a bit of money if possible.

Isn't it strange that the financially bereft NHS agreed to re-test me, where Mr S doesn't seem to recommend it as a matter of course for his private patients? Or perhaps that's because most of you have got pregnant reasonably quickly?

Arianrhod · 04/04/2012 10:13

Just jumping in to join in the NKC retesting debate. Mr S did retest me after my early miscarriage/chem. pg. in Dec, not sure why but if you recall he found that although my activation had come down from v high to high, my total count of NKCs had shot up, virtually doubled. The dropped activation levels he put down to the fact that I had been on 40mg pred for however many weeks it was, but didn't know why the actual count had gone up so drastically. I do think retesting is definitely a good idea, especially after being on the programme for say 6 months. Maybe he's trying to save people money? I don't know.

choccy Hang in there girl, huge hugs and good to hear your symptoms are still good and strong.

/waves to everyone

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mercator · 04/04/2012 10:52

Duggs brilliant news. Can't believe how quickly all this seems to have happened. Do so hope you have some lovely news on the 16th!

Choccy hope work isn't too stressful today and glad to hear everything is planned now. Thinking of you!

Free the non alco beer sounds fab, was just talking to my oh that the one thing I will miss will be a beer in the summer. Not sure if they do non-alcoholic beer in Greece. Enjoy Spain - very envious!

Kittens/Ari very interesting regarding the retesting and the changing results.

Talking of all this progesterone so pleased I only have two more nights to go! I think we all sympathise with the gross side effects :-(

Can I ask when everyone stopped their vits as I find I have got to a stage where I simply cannot stomach them anymore and it takes all my will power to pop the aspirin. I find this quite odd as have had no problem for the last 18 months on and off.

duggs1976 · 04/04/2012 10:56

I find the trying to save people money bit hard to believe. It is so odd how there isn't a protocol even if just so people know what their responses are to the treatment? I had my test last August about 2 weeks after my last d&c so I do think it makes a difference. Oh well there must be some methodology and I guess is up to the individual to keep an eye on levels if prolonged. Just so much £££. My folks are on a round the world trip and just face timed me from Sydney. DH and I have a trip to dahab in Egypt booked for 19 April and if I'm pregnant roll be just 5 weeks. I am a bit unsure how I feel about it really if I am pg. can some of you reassure me or be honest about it? My mum just started saying she doesn't think I should be going away blaa blaaa blaaa if I am pg. all hypothetical of course but it left me feeling a bit anxious. Mentalling before I've even kicked off.

Arianrhod · 04/04/2012 11:30

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with the trying to save people money, to be honest duggs :) Can't answer the travel at 5 weeks, I must say it did vaguely cross my mind IF I ever manage to get properly pregnant again, with the holiday season coming up, but decided in the end I'll worry about that if when I get to it. I know flying in the first trimester is supposed to be perfectly safe and indeed I flew (unbeknown to me, as I didn't know I was pg) long-haul when pg with DD, and had no issues.

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Havingkittens · 04/04/2012 12:16

On the basis of not eating brie, shellfish etc. under normal pregnancy situations in case of food poisoning causing m/c, I would be inclined to avoid anywhere where food poisoning could be a risk. Be careful about eating salads and stuff like that, that's been washed in tap water and be vigilant about the places you choose to eat. Also, in Egypt, take extra care to keep yourself hydrated. They advise, in their climate to take rehydration powders like Dioralyte.

As far as having access to to emergency medical care, I would imagine Egypt probably has fairly decent hospitals, especially as so many consultants that we see over here seem to be from North Africa or the Middle East. I've wanted to go somewhere like India, for example, for a while but decided it would be too risky if I were pregnant. I definitely wouldn't go to a third world country to avoid the food risks and the dodgy hospitals.

duggs1976 · 04/04/2012 12:24

ari oh doh of course you were dr s holiday fund! I'm sat here watching Bergerac now on 40mg pred woken up at 4am last few nights. I hope free is still up for that documentary after all this ?

PQ77 · 04/04/2012 13:51

congrats on your latest milestone free, that's wonderful! I would love to borrow a couple of dresses for my holiday too, many thanks. I had visions of me hot footing it to the nearest mall when we landed in Orlando and picking up a Homer Simpson style mu-mu (that still appeals actually...). My work clothes are getting more and more ridiculous but only two and a half more weeks in the office until we head away and I can kick back in the mu-mu.

speaking of holidays...duggs I was really thrilled to hear your news. DH was too as he's been following your progress avidly as he and I both think that IVF with screening is the way for us next if this current pregnancy has any trisomy issues. I think of my 6 mc 2 were chromosome issues and 4 were NK issues.

In terms of Egypt, just putting down my thoughts (sorry, am in analytical work mode):

  1. flying is fine
  2. airport x-rays are technically fine but I ask to have a manual search which has never been turned down
  3. you can stay hydrated and not roast yourself in the sun. Think of all the Vitamin D!
  4. sickness is a bit of an issue...but it would be dehydration that causes the problems so like kittens says taking your own diorylte (sp) would be one way to address that. And you can be completely paranoid and imagine you are on a street market in India and just drink coke and eat deep fried vegetables (how my mum survived a month in India with no sickness - she is a dietician so this unhealthy yet effective diet caused her major psychological traumas).
  5. hospitals will be fine
  6. at 5 weeks you would have had your 4 wk intralipid (if that's part of the plan)
  7. make sure you have good travel insurance that covers pregnancy

Only thing I can think against it would be if you had spotting or bleeding - Mr S grounded me at 6 weeks becuase of that - and not for any reason other than my peace of mind so that I could get it checked out if something happend, not that flying or being in another country would make the spotting worse or affect the ulitmate outcome.

I'm another one who had NK cells retested when I had the v early mc on the first round of the treatment last year. In all seriousness, I do think Mr S considers the cost carefully. Eg he really didn't want me to pay for the AMH test as he had seen so many women pay for it and then for their fertility outcomes not to be related to the result. He also said he would support me with IVF (with his treatment alongside) but really didn't want me to spend my money on it yet until I tried doing the programme for a few cycles first. But with all these things - and it echoes what duggs and frozen have said, we really need to be our own advocates, trust our instincts, and do our own research!

great to hear from you choccy. Hope you are managing to juggle everything.

Hi and a big wave to everyone else