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[Northey]

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It isn't cheating. If you win an IVF baybee you have won it more than fair and square. You've had to go through much much more than people can possible understand to get a hard won IVF baby.
I understand what you are saying about the doctors and the labs and stuff but it doesn't mean that your children wouldn't be conceived out of love just because it takes place in a lab not your bedroom. If anything it is a testament to the strength and love in your relationship if you are able to go through the fertility treatment process together in order to have a baby because it must take a strong partnership to be able to do that.

I think counselling is a very good idea, and there's nothing wrong with a break from things for a while if you want one. But there is nothing to feel guilty about because you are going down the IVF route. Nothing at all.

Euro as others have said, I think your concerns/fears are completely justified. I've already said to HWHNN that I'm not sure I can put myself down the IVF route if the Clomid doesn't work (I've already been told that's the next step), so I get where you are coming from.

Definitely make an appointment for counselling, it may just be that you need to talk things through with someone.

[manly cowboy punch to shoulder]

Oh Euro it's so not cheating but I can understand why you might feel like that just a bit. My droid is due - it was my last chance of having a FUFC BFP. I just feeling reallly, really fucking sad.

To add to my woes I have to go to a Child Protection Conference for two utterly underserving scumbags who managed to get pregnant despite using rafts and rafts of drugs. That feels just a bit shitty and unfair this morning. :(

Euro more words of support here, for what they are worth. IVF is a big deal, both physically and mentally - I'm not surprised that it feels like a bit of a headfuck. Do you need to decide whether to take the drugs now/imminently, or can you have a break from it whilst on holiday and see how you feel when you're back/after counselling?

How are you feeling today fee? Stick with the water therapy - norf is right I reckon: consumption, proximity, frolicking - its all good for the soul (one of the reasons I love the boat although even I draw the line at frolicking in the regents canal ).

ex post Dot. Sorry, buddy.

Sorry to hear about your worries, cold feet and turmoil euro. All sensible things seem to have said, but I would like to stress two of them:

• IVF is the opposite of cheating and a win there is the the most deserved I can imagine. So there. (Add a punch or a fish slap in there as desired)
• Counseling sounds like a very good idea. And nothing wrong with postponing. I have been flapping about missing rounds of IUI (as SB and I are planning hols and it has just become a load more complicated) but really in for a penny in for a pound. A few months break/pause/delay won't make a real difference in the end.

That is just shit dot. Sorry!

In agreement about water therapy - how are you today fee? I really cannot wait to go swimming again, although I remember from previous bone breakages that it is actually quite stressful the first few times...

And on a lighter note, in favour of a pirate theme for the next fred - I'll get my cutlasses out of the chest and return Jolly to her rightful owner.

I agree it's not cheating. Before we ttc, I wasn't convinced about ivf, but since we've had such a hard journey and ivf joined MN I've totally changed. I think it's such an involved process, you need to feel 100% comfortable euro, so do what you need to to get to that point. It's your body, they can't dictate when you have treatment.
I'm feeling much better thanks peeps.

The drugs arrived before we could cancel the delivery. :( They are lurking in the fridge. I am sitting at my desk trying not to cry. And I don't do crying.

Oh Euro, have a very un-MN/BESH (((hug))).

Can you feign illness and go home for the day? Such a situation definitely warrants pulling a sickie.

Oh euro, don't cry, cowgirl. It will be ok.

What would happen if you sent them back? Would they refuse to give you any more for another go?

Oh euro that is awful, could you throw a sicky ? That sounds like a good plan! Or at least go for a long lunch with a good friend (any RL-ers that know and would understand, I really hope so!) And maybe phone the clinic to ask whether you can return the drugs and cancel this cycle. Because to me it sounds like you would be in a better position in a few months.

You can borrow my parrot to cheer you up (all he does is shout abuse at pg-ladies).

Address for M&Ms?

Also, how is everything going?

Thanks ladies. I really, really do appreciate the support.

I'm seeing my RL BESHie mate who now has 3 lovely children following IVF this evening, so maybe she will sort out my menkulling.

Afternoon cowgirls.

Euro I hope your friend is able to give you the reassurance/slap with a kipper (delete as appropriate) that you need.

I decided not to have my Day 21 blood test today, I shall go on Monday instead.

I do, however, have some excellent menkulling to report. Hiccups? Sign of diffedness, yay or nay? I'm not normally a hiccupy (great use of the English language there!) person, but I got the hiccups yesterday and so far have had 2 separate bouts today Thoughts? Opinions? Fish-based assaults?

Hiccups, you say? I've never heard of it before and yet it does actually sound weirdly worth a menkul. But have a spanking with a salmon anyway.

Hello lovelies. Thank you for checking on me Norfy. (How do I pm via iPhone? Anyone?)

Glad you're getting some RL BESH-love, Euro. I know it's a really scary time for you - I'm sending you good thoughts.

Things are rotten here. Well, actually things are good when I'm on my own but I feel miserable when TOM, TinyTOM and I are together. I don't know that we're going to survive this...I don't know that I want to keep trying to. I can't believe how sad I feel whenever I'm around them now. I'm doing much better on my own - I feel stronger on my own and I feel a sense of hope for a happier future. I don't think I want to continue being a stepmum.

Anyway, sorry all about me.

Tap on the little envelope thing at the top of the page and it takes you tO a message interface bit. Sorry to post and run!

My sister had really odd, pronounced bouts of hiccups during both of her pregnancies...

Gah. Why do I read the 'TTC Mont 1' threads because it always fucks me off when people are lucky and get a BFP first time.

Cavey I got hiccups repeatedly on one of my early cycles when I thought something might be happening. For me it came to nothing, but I am pretty sure that something was going on in those early cycles.

LP that sounds really sad. We shall have to meet up and have a mope together when we are both next in town.

Me too Dory...I've been lurking that fred and just knew the OP was gonna get a BFP - not sure why I'm torturing myself, as I'm not even in a position to ttc.

Me too, and I can't help but think that she is just going to be rally, really annoying about it!

My thoughts exactly!