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IVF/ICSI/FET - any more for any more?

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jumpingjackhash · 05/01/2012 10:05

Hi all, we're about to start FET following an unsuccessful round of ICSI last year (well, we got the bfp, but then I miscarried shortly after Sad). But... time to get back on the bike and go again...

Anyone else going through this?

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bugsylugs · 06/04/2012 13:03

millymoo so glad that you are still here. Hoping for a speedy recovery. Lots of Easter eggs needed to aid healing. Thinking of you yes concentrate on getting your body and mind sorted

AngelFairy · 06/04/2012 23:23

Oh my goodness.... Millymoo you poor thing! I'm amazed you're even thinking about this thread from the degree of the injuries you describe.
Look after yourself and take it easy x Thinking of you x

Glad you're feeling much better Knackered Smile

Afm, I had my only stimming scan today... They found approx. 9-10 follicles on my left and 6-7 on my left, all measuring "decent" sizes Grin
They have told me to continue my drugs until Sunday and then trigger at midnight the same night, so EC is on Tuesday Shock Hmm Grin

Hs anyone ever had EC without using the sedatives they prescribed? Not really feeling the need to get nauseous whilst having my whistle violated...

How is everyone else?

Isismyturnyet · 07/04/2012 04:52

Hello all, I must admit I've been stalking this thread for a while reading all the advice, hope you don't mind me joining? I got here by googling FET after failed IVF which is my current situation in life. This will be my first FET and am very nervous/anxious/excited/scared...etc...
I have 7 frozen babies so plenty of chances, however, the hubs wants to call it quits after 2 more tries. We have been TTC since 2007 and have never even seen a hint of a pregnancy. After the IVF we were so sure it worked due to all my symptoms, little did I know it was due to the progesterone. Silly me for getting my hopes up...btw all the stickies developed excellently
I guess my concern is that this is all my fault and maybe we should call it quits? My best friend is going to be my surrogate should we chose that route. Has anyone else been through this - and what was the problem? No one, not even a reproductive endo can pinpoint the problem....
Maybe venting is all I need....thanks for listening ladies [bugrin]

duggs1976 · 07/04/2012 06:55

Hi isit. Well 7 frozen potential babies is a lot. A couple of suggestions.. What work up tests have you had done? For example the standard recurrent miscarriage tests - lupus, immunology, etc. they are pretty standard at most fertility clinics to rule out anything obvious that could be stopping implantation. The more controversial test is the nk cells test. I recommend the book "is your body baby friendly" by dr beer. An American author but makes interesting reading. Once those areas are covered u may have a treatable answer before u take any more chances with your 7. Failing that you then have uterine issues ? How is your cervix looking ? Again a fertility specialist can advise but it less common as anatomical problems are usually more obvious to spot. Lastly chromosonal issues. The most natural (selection) and most common and one we can do least about but hopefully out of 7 embryos there are at least 1 Or 2 good ones. I hope this helps. I speak from a history of ttc almost 3 yrs, 3 miscarriages and all of the above being checked - 8 doctors and a lot of strength to move forward as unfortunately this area seems quite fragmented and not as united as you might expect. The immunologists look at their area, embrpyologists theirs etc not really anyone as a whole. You will have to pay privately unless u tell your gp and they r very sympathetic (unusual). I am seeing dr Shehata at the miscarriage clinic do google it for more info if I like. Best of luck and stick around!

CareBear1 · 07/04/2012 09:49

Millymoo you poor thing, hope tmi get better soon, that crash sounds awful.

Angel great news thats loads

Isit that is spooky you could be my ttc twin. We are also ttc since 2007, 0 bfps, got 6 good quality blasts from IVF, have just done an FET round which was much easier I thought. Got 3 blasts left in freezer and getting the immune tests done Duggs said above. We are also no known cause so far. Wow that is some best friend has she already had her kids?

AngelFairy · 07/04/2012 12:45

Welcome Isit, this is a very friendly thread, as I'm sure you've seen, so stick around and share the upcoming round of BFPs [busmile]

I am loving these cute little bunny smileys [buhmm]

[busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] Happy Easter Everyone! [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile] [busmile]

duggs1976 · 08/04/2012 11:10

Crikey milly I haven't spoken to you before but that sounds awful. Do get better. Hello to everyone else on the thread. Is a bit quiet. Am looking forward to having raspberry back today I think. She must be due to test I am sure it is tomorrow? So nervous for her and do hopeful. Any news from anyone else? Happy Easter all I've eaten 3 Lindt bunny eggs Blush oops over past 3 days. My boobs are sore but I guess that is the progesterone supposetries I am sticking up me twice a day? I get the occasional cramp. Just entering the 2nd week and think that is the tougher one as finish line looms do close. Sad DH took me to see titanic at the 3d IMAX. Wow can't believe it was 20yrs ago it first came out. Any news from anyone?

CareBear1 · 08/04/2012 14:07

Hi Duggs, it is quiet on here. Good luck for week 2, its all sounding good so far. Have eaten loads of chocolate too.

I am having a weekend of DIY interspersed with time on Dr Google looking for information / inspiration! Feeling a bit crap to be honest but am sure that is very normal.

Found a couple of threads of people having success with immune treatment after lots of previous failures:

www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=273697.140

www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=271159.0

AngelFairy · 08/04/2012 22:18

Hey Duggs, Care,
I'm also on the chocolate binge... just working my way through the 2nd half of a thornton's egg, which, in all honesty, isn't all that nice.
It's obviously only because I've just done my last stimulation injection and now have to wait up until midnight to do my trigger shot - Excited? Yes. Nervous? A Little. Anxious? Lots. Confused

Gotta ask:
Does EC hurt? I am working myself up at the thought... Although I keep telling myself that I'll be fine, I can't help but think of a huge needle poking through my delicate parts, twice Shock and that makes my tummy flip.
Must think of something else...

When is your appointment with Dr S, Care?

Your 2ww is going very quickly Duggs, well for me anyway. Are you remaining to stay calm and sane?

CareBear1 · 08/04/2012 22:27

EC didn't hurt for me Angel, was under GA and didn't hurt after either, bit woozy from the drugs

zeebee1 · 08/04/2012 22:50

Angel - good luck with EC tomorrow... I didn't find it painful either- you have a little scratch on your hand count to 10 and that's it - waking up is lovely as you are on something that makes everything feel alllllriiiighhhht WinkWink then the doctor will come over and tell you how many eggs they have (of the NON Thorntons typeGrin)
AFM having weekend with in laws - pessaries making me v tired but enjoyed coming up to bed for a kip in the afternoons... FET on Tuesday.. (gulp)
Waves to everyone out there especially to care
X

Raspberryjam · 09/04/2012 07:58

Hi Ladies,
Back late last night - Such a lot to catch up on here.
Millymoo - that is really dreadful news about the car crash - I hope you aren't feeling too miserable and sore - hope you get better soon and thinking of you xxx

so sorry Jumping and Care that it didn't work this time Sad.

AFM was hoping to bring some happy news on here today - but unfortunately AF made an appearance on Friday - bang on cue exactly 14 days after EC - and I had imagined almost every symptom of being pregnant. Had a bit of a cry later on Friday in a quiet moment and then told myself - hand on you are blood lucky to have DD and DHSmile - get a grip...................!
Have got to go for a blood test this morning anyway and need to leave ASAP - so will post later on today.

Duggs - please don't be downhearted that mine didn't work - I think from the sounds of things you have really a fighting chance now so look after yourself. The TWW is hard!!!!!! xxx

Good luck today angel

By chance had an interesting chat with someone on holiday who has three DC and just adopted his BILs child - faster procedure as his wife a relation - baby was taken into foster care aged 8 months and now is 14 months and living with them - he told me there are about 5000 kids for adoption in London alone! -

I am really thinking about this option for us now - I think the inspection process can be quite intrusive and can take a long time sometimes - don't really know enough about it - but looking into it can't do any harm - and if it is a long process better to start if sooner than later . Not sure if ultimately will be right for us - but it does make my heart bleed to hear about all those kids longing for somone.............just as we are.............

Love the team rosettes - LOL when I read that - might have to wait a few days before I can apply for one though - having that horrible self pity/flat/empty/where to now? feeling today.

We need some good news on here SOON.........................................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raspberryjam · 09/04/2012 08:03

Meant to say sorry to Karbea for your news - there is just so little any of us can do or say to make you feel better - except big hugs xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

hopefully can talk later - going to have to rush to clinic now............

duggs1976 · 09/04/2012 13:30

OH raspberry I really had high hopes for you. Sad BUT I must say I am impressed with your attitude and response to this situation.

The adoption route is something that has been floating about in my mind of course and I am really very interested in finding out more. I am quite daunted about it and what steps to take etc. and I know it isn't easy. Im also aware of the people who are warned about the people who fly straight from assisted fertiltiy to adoption withouth thinking it thought but I would like to investigage further. I hope you feel you can start to mourn/grive and then move onto a more positive place.. and know this part of the journey is behind you. You have your right to mourn/grive so let your self do it. I know adoption to isn't to be seen a second prize etc.but I don't know enough to know what to see it as really.

I still have officially a week to go until I test, but I will be testing on Friday as that is 14 days since egg collection so AF may well be here by then. I don't know what to think and have spoken to DH this morning. I can't do this again after what we've been through these past 2 and a half years so this will be my only IVF cycle we think. I do have another in the freezer but was 6 cell so won't hold out much hope for that one.

There hasn't been much positive news on this threas, bless us, and we do deserve some inspiration. Anyway, what will be will be either way, we will all still be here regardless. Big hugs to you. Have a large Wine and some Easter chocolate and cuddle up with DH and DD and think of the possibilities ahead.x

KnackeredCow · 09/04/2012 14:14

So sorry it didn't work for you Raspberry. We don't seem to be having much luck on this thread Sad Really hoping that's about to change and we get some BFPs soon!

Angel Good luck for your egg collection! Is mine the only clinic in the world that keeps sedation to the minimum? I remember both my ECs clearly. It's quite fascinating seeing it all on ultrasound. I'll be quite honest I've found EC very uncomfortable on both occasions, but not bothered about going through it. Clinic I'm with uses fentanyl and gas and air for pain relief.

CareBear1 · 09/04/2012 14:52

Raspberry so sorry honey that is so crap. Hope you're ok.

We really are a sorry bunch so far on here aren't we.

I did once read summer IVFs are more successful than winter ones, hope the next 6 months brings us all some more success

Isismyturnyet · 09/04/2012 17:34

Morning all!
duggs - I have had every test imaginable, everything is perfect except for my tubes, they are damaged from endo in my early 20's. I have read that damaged tubes can prevent implantation but its a long shot. Uterus - good, AMH - perfect, ovaries - like a teenagers....I just dont get it. I will look into that book, at this point I will try anything Grin

care - spooky!! Im glad to meet you though, I feel so alone sometimes as DH (like any other male I suppose) doesnt want to beat the dead horse and talk about it all the time. My friend has had 3 children naturally, with ovary no less - talk about making me feel like a failure!!! However, knowing that she is fertile mertile makes me want to jump right to that and not even waste time on my uterus anymore!!!!

And I have my fingers crossed for the higher success in summer months! Its been a beast of a winter here in Alaska!!!

Rasberry - Im sorry it did not work for you Thanks

Youd think we were all experts at what to say to one another by now

Isismyturnyet · 09/04/2012 17:35

That should be "with 1 ovary no less"

KnackeredCow · 09/04/2012 18:18

isit How many fresh IVF cycles have you had? You mention you're in Alaska so presuming you're not from the UK? Over here it's seen as completely normal to take up to three fresh cycles or even more to be successful. Don't give up hope just yet!

duggs1976 · 09/04/2012 19:12

isit the immunology tests aren't standard yet so you have to go to specific specialists unfortunately.

In the UK - Dr Shehata, Dr Gorgy, Dr Teranassi (?), Dr Queenby are the main ones I think.

I have a quick Q for you guys.
I presume you have all been on progesterone supplements ? Can I ask how much and what side effects did you ladies have in the 2 ww?

I have been taking 200mg twice a day since egg collection and now on dpo10 (egg collection time) and I have the following symptoms:

Swollen boobs
Lower back ache
Bloated firmish uterus area
Tiredness

I know all are progesterone side effects and all are possible early pg symptoms but is it totally impossible to get some indication? 400mg is a lot a day so I could just be going through those but I have tried to search and it seems we will never be any wiser with this one as they could be either. Ahh going mad and actually glad to be back at work tomorrow to pass the slowly moving time.

CareBear1 · 09/04/2012 19:18

Duggs I had all those symptoms much more so this time round with partial implantation than the previous time with no implantation on same amount of cyclogest if that's any help.

Not long till friday. x

Raspberryjam · 10/04/2012 08:37

Hi Ladies - it's going to be a busy day on here today. Lots and lots of luck to Zeebee for her FET today and hoping for good news from Angel with her EC - we are all willing you on here!!!!!!Go team!

Big welcome to you Isit and thank you for your message xxx - how amazing to have posts all the way from Alaska. Sorry you have had such a difficult time. Don't ever think this situation is your fault - it is nothing you have or haven't done - just one of those things unfortunately and a struggle which some lucky ones like your friend don't have.........great you have some snow embies there so here's hoping ..........maybe a lucky break is around the corner..........stay positive and vent here any time.........i think I will be later on in this post!!!!

Millymoo hope you are managing ok - 3 weeks in hospital - shit. Sending you healing thoughts xxxx

Thanks so much for all your messages - I had a good cry last night - triggered by finishing "The Help" -such a good read, couldn't put it down and would really recommend it - keep a box of hankies nearby though.Then had two large glasses of red and crisps with Inspector Montalbano on iplayer.
thank God I was off work yesterday and today. Feeling knackered and also so guilty last night as needed some space and DD must have thought i didn't want her to be with me - that made me cry even more. Had a chat with DH last night ( who is away next couple of days ) - I think her would like us to try again - but I am definitely not ready for that yet and feel so guilty that I am not giving my best to DD. We talked about donor eggs and adoption - neither of which are easy decisions although we have friends who have done both for both couples has worked out well. Too early yet and adoption does sound very daunting particularly with DD although I read posts on here where it has worked out - I know a lot sometimes don't though.

Thanks for being so positive jumping - we need that here and I am really glad knackered you are feeling better about everything and thinking about the next steps. something you posted about 3 fresh cycles perked me up - We have had 1 fresh cycle (resulting in DD) then a failed FET then two further failed fresh - so maybe I should be counting this as fresh cycle two IYKWIM?
Carbear thanks for you message and hope the DIY went well - my house is like a tip at the moment with unopened mail etcetc, but just don't have the motivation right now......

Duggs - the TWW is so hard as you know - i think it is impossible to tell much as can be progesterone symptoms - the only thing that happened to me when I was pregnant with DD was nausea on the day I was testing and I knew it was something different - but then not everyone gets that so unfortunately still a waiting game - I am really, really, really hoping for you on Friday xxx BTW can't believe 20 years since Titanic - wow.

Hope you are doing ok Karbea? It's tough.
Hello to everyone esle on here xxx

JosieSmith1 · 10/04/2012 10:27

Oh Milly! I really hope you?re doing ok? I?m assuming you?re out of hospital now? Gosh what a shock! Look after yourself and get well soon.

Knackered I?m glad you?re feeling better. Sometimes work isn?t the right place to be, but sometimes it can provide a welcome distraction, hope you?re getting on ok.

Welcome to Isit, fingers crossed for your first FET Smile

So sorry to hear that Raspberry, but it?s good that you can consider other options. I think adoption in the UK can take about 8 months to get through the approval process (can?t think of a better word Grin) but they seemed pretty optimistic that about 99% of couples get approved. The area I?m in says they won?t consider your application until about 6 months after you find out you?re infertile/failed IVF or similar, so that you can grieve for your lost biological child. I very much believe you have to grieve, after all, the biological children you assume you?ll have gets snatched away from you, your future as you imagine it changes in an instant and is lost. When I thought the IVF was going to be cancelled, and it would have been the end of my chances for a biological child, I made a small memorial in my garden. We have a beautiful azalea tree which is the only thing we kept when we made-over the garden as it is so pretty, and I?ve just put some little ornaments around it, and resting on the bottom of the tree stem is a little pebble with ?Hope? etched into it. It made me cry when DH put it there. I?ve put a sculpture next to it of a man and a woman holding each other with their foreheads touching, as a monument to what DH and I have stuck together through. (sorry that was a bit long-winded!)

Duggs I am a similar position ? I don?t think I can go through it all again. I?m on progesterone pessaries and have got no symptoms whatsoever

As for me, well I?m not holding my breath for testing on Friday. I?ve become an expert in how I feel when I?m not pg, and that?s exactly how I feel now. So I?ve had a bit of a shitty easter weekend in some respects. I?ve done loads of baking, but DH and I have also done loads of pretty aggressive arguing, mainly because I?ve been feeling so low. I?ve tried to tell DH but he won?t listen, he still wants to be optimistic. So I?ve been considering my other options, i.e. using an egg donor. I?ve only had one IVF cycle but it didn?t work very well and I just don?t think I can put myself through it again, I know that might make me sound weak but it?s just the way it is. I think donor eggs will ultimately be an easier option for me. Although I have to admit I still have to get my head around it. There?s just a few things that are still quite upsetting for me, but if I want to have a child, I?ll have to deal with them. It just makes more sense. They say you have a 50% chance with donor eggs, but with IVF I have 10-15% so odds are, donor egg will be more successful for us, especially when you consider how my last IVF went, and how I didn?t respond and ended up changing to IUI, with which we have an even smaller chance than with IVF. Ah, I?m all over the place emotionally at the moment. I?m ok, just sad.

Anyway, sorry for a huge post! Blush

zeebee1 · 10/04/2012 10:39

Made a picnic for the car and we are off to do the FET any minute! Feeling like I'm going for an exam or something! In fact I started my day at the dentist as noticed a wisdom tooth starting to poke thru... Great. Anyway not thinking about that right now.
Thank u rasperberry for your kind thoughts.
Waves to everyone [as I step into car nervously] Wink

JosieSmith1 · 10/04/2012 11:02

Best of luck Zee!! SmileSmile