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IVF/ICSI/FET - any more for any more?

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jumpingjackhash · 05/01/2012 10:05

Hi all, we're about to start FET following an unsuccessful round of ICSI last year (well, we got the bfp, but then I miscarried shortly after Sad). But... time to get back on the bike and go again...

Anyone else going through this?

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Raspberryjam · 24/03/2012 14:46

Thanks duggs I really hope so. Just did Zita CD as per Carebear's advice - think I dozed off at end so a bit less frenzied feeling now. I don't know much about blasto transfer and CGH together as I guess is relatively new - think it just introduced yet another unknown into the equation and I freaked Blush.
Hope you are getting on ok with short protocol?

duggs1976 · 24/03/2012 16:48

Well seems ok so far raspberry. Trigger on wed hopefully egg collection Friday. My clinic aims for day 5 blasto transfer if y lucky enough to have enough embryos so that would be following Wednesday. If not enough then will have to take 3 day transfer. Think u should be pleased to have good enough quality for 5 day blasto transfer xGrin

jumpingjackhash · 24/03/2012 18:21

Just a quickie and sorry it's a 'me me me' one, anyone else feeling quite nauseous? Wondering if it's the drugs and my hormones? Nurse mentioned I might feel quite sick when I went for a scan last week as the hormones really kicked in. Anyone else feeling icky after transfer?

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Karbea · 24/03/2012 22:17

Hi jumping, haven't felt sick but have had upset belly, and of course this stupid cold. Do have twinge/cramps a bit too.

CareBear1 · 25/03/2012 08:20

No I didn't get any nausea. You feeling any better today?

I still feel very normal other than bigger boobs and no period. I haven't even had any spotting (since last week) which is very unusual for me. I so hope its still a positive tomorrow and my levels have risen.

Michael Connelly is keeping me great company and I would highly recommend (heard of The Lincoln Lawyer?) - I've read 6 of his books during this cycle!

How's everyone else? Any updates to distract me today most welcome! X

Raspberryjam · 25/03/2012 09:27

Hi Carebear - glad you are taking it easy with Michael Connelly - I haven't read that one so good tip. I'm not reading enough these days and doing far too much googling.

Really hoping for you tomorrow too ...................positive thoughts.

Lolled about most of yesterday and so today going to get up/housework and do something nice outdoors in afternoon - DH must be really fed up with me by now.
Thanks so much for your messages yesterday - a calm voice which stopped me going completely freaky and Zita helped.

Look after yourself todayxxx
Hello to the other ladies - hope you have a good sunny Sunday

jumpingjackhash · 25/03/2012 09:48

Thanks Karbea and Care, it's passed a little overnight but I had a sleepless night with some tummy twinges and feeling a bit crap. Hopefuy a walk in the sunshine and lunch with my brother today will pep me up!

Enjoy a lazy Sunday in the sunshine all!

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zeebee1 · 25/03/2012 10:17

Hi all!! so sorry for my radio silence - i've been away since Friday morning staying with my lovely aunt and uncle in Warwickshire where they have lovely countryside but THE.WORST.INTERNET.CONNEcTION! I could read the thread but my phone wouldn't let me send anything! anyway enough of my technical difficulties... i'm back - WOWWW such great news on here...
jumping FANTASTICO news re your frostie - Grin Very glad the FET was relatively painless too - your trip to B.Market after sounds great - here's to a really quick and restful 2WW!! so pleased for you!
care AMAzING on your TWP - I have everything crossed for you for tomorrow's appointment... YEy! Wink
Karebea - 2.on.board. YEY - BRILLIANT news! again, I hope the next 2 weeks fly by and you are able to take some time off and rest up while the little ones get comfy Smile
Rapsberry great re your 7 embryos - thinking of you and wishing you so much luck for normal choromosomes (sp?) and a healthy few to choose from!
Josie thinking of you too and hoping your appointment/scan went better yesterday and you have some answers
Duggs so, EC next Friday - how exciting - nearly there!
angel you must be getting excited about your baseline scan on tues...good luck

AFM: I have another scan on Tuesday to see hopefully that my lining has thickened up a further 2 mm - (i do feel it doing something down there from time to time - and i'm CERTAINLY bloated Blush + Hmm - so I actually think I look about 3 months PG even tho i CERTAIN aint!)
then after that I hope [prayer hands] that I will then start the cyclogest (yuck) and maybe the FET will be w/c 2nd april... that would co-inside so neatly with Easter and I would be off from work good friday and BH mon anyway - so as you can see I'm really not planning it all out or anything
really stressing about dates and possibilities constantly in my head!
Have been feeling a lot more positive over the last few days - think this amazing weather helps - plus went to a wedding yesterday and it was jsut so nice (FYI only one heaily PG person on our table) I sat next to a woman who was very nice and jsut said out of the blue "well, I don't want kids, so i'm planning on moving to france and having a small plot to grow vegetables" - I thought that was quite refreshing to hear - good on her!

Anyway happy Sundays to you all and WAVES to those I haven't name checked...
ZB

duggs1976 · 25/03/2012 14:14

zee love the vegetable plot in France comment ! More people like her please made me smileGrin a quick too much information question. I am having an abundance of clear cervical mucus" presumably from the drugs. I am
Sure is normal did u guys have this I am cd 10 now Smile

Raspberryjam · 25/03/2012 14:31

Hi Zeebee loved your post and thanks!! Know WYM about looking 3 months pregnant and bloated - feel so much like that. Glad you are feeling better and scan goes well on tuesday.

Hi duggs - definitely had tons of clear mucus so all normal during drugs .

KnackeredCow · 25/03/2012 15:51

It's busy, busy, busy here. Absolutely loads happening. Sorry not to go back and mention everyone, but on iPhone so can't scroll.

Duggs I got shed loads of CM throughout both my fresh cycles. 'Tis a good sign as production is triggered by oestrogen. Good oestrogen levels mean lots a follicles and a good chance of implantation.

JosieSmith1 · 25/03/2012 19:28

Massive congrats to CareBear!! Fingers crossed it al goes smoothly from here

And great news on the fertilisation Raspberry and I hope you have a good selection to have transferred

Well my scan went badly again. I've grown one follicle of less than 1 cm on each ovary. Their criteria for EC is three of at least 2 cms so I'm way behind the mark. They were going to cancel the cycle there and then yesterday but we persuaded them to wait until Monday, so I've got another scan in the morning but based on the fact that it's taken me almost 2 weeks to grow two very small follicles, I'm 99% sure I'm out of the running. I'm now trying to come to terms with the fact that I'm never going to be a biological mother. I'll be having a chat with the nurse tomorrow or later in the week to discuss other options, i.e. egg donation.

Karbea · 25/03/2012 20:04

Josie I don't know your background so sorry, but have you thought about talking to another clinic? It's so upsetting that some people produce loads of follies and lots of mature eggs and some don't, one of the consultants at the Argc just said it's in some people's DNA to not respond well. I really feel for you, I'm not a great responder either.

For those of you in the 2ww, are you going to test early?

JosieSmith1 · 25/03/2012 20:12

I'm a bit confused when it comes to clinics Karbea as I'm NHS, I was under the impression that I have to go the clinic I'm sent to, but is that not the case? I'm so confused!! I don't want to just take the first advice I'm given by my doctors, but I feel like it's a system I can't fight, which seems unfair because surely I must be given other options? Or does it just depend on what my clinic offers?

lumili · 25/03/2012 20:20

Josie I am so sorry to read your update, I was wondering how it had all gone yesterday and was worried that because you hadn't posted anything yesterday that it was bad news. Forgive me if you have already explained this in the thread at an earlier point, what number attempt at IVF are you on and what protocol are you on? With you being on the NHS, I am not really sure how it works, as we had to go private. However, surely if you are not happy with one person's opinon, you have a right to go elsewhere. This is a massive thing for you and your DH and you have to feel comfortable with what you are being told before you move onto another route.

xxx

Karbea · 25/03/2012 20:20

Josie we had to go privately as we were too old for the nhs.
How does the clinic rate versus other clinics? Look at the hfea website.
Ask you gp if you can talk to other clinics. I think sometimes clinics are quick to push people to donor eggs when sometimes they could still use there own.

lumili · 25/03/2012 20:25

Karbea We tested early in our last 2 week wait and I would never do it again. It is the worst thing that you can do, as if you get a positive you will be thinking until the proper test day... is it a true reading??.... and if is shows the other way you will be thinking ..... is it a true reading??.... I know how hard the 2 week wait is and it is so difficult to keep away from the pregnancy tests, but you must try :)

Care good luck for your blood test tomorrow, my fingers and toes are crossed for you :)

JosieSmith1 · 25/03/2012 20:26

Lumili we're on attempt number one. I've found that there's other clinics nearby that offer NHS funded treatment. I think I'll ring them and see if they offer other protocols/medications etc. Basically see if they would give us other options before going for donor eggs. It's worth a try right?

lumili · 25/03/2012 20:42

Josie How many IVF treatments do they let you have on the NHS? The only reason why I say that is because on our first IVF we has the long protocol and they didn't quite get the medication right at the start, however they were able to adjust this mid treatment and we got to the egg collection stage had 8 eggs collected, 5 fertilised and tranferred 2 embryos. The second IVF we had what they believed to be the correct dosage of medication from the start, however poor response and only retrieved 5 eggs, out of those 3 were immature, 1 egg they couldn't use and out of the 1 egg they could use it fertilised and we had 1 embryo transferred. The third IVF we changed the protocol and went for the short protocol, great response, 11 eggs collected, however unfortunately for us only 1 of those fertilised and we had it transfered on day 2. The reason why I have written all that down is because I just wanted to show you how different each cycle can be and if it doesn't go right first time, maybe it's because you weren't on the correct medication or correct protocol. It is definately worth a try hun. xxx

lumili · 25/03/2012 20:46

Raspberry Great news on your 7 fertilised eggs, I really hope that they make it to the blastocyst stage. Am I right in thinking that you get your chromosome test results back on Tuesday?, I am not really sure how that works... I am guessing that means that they can tell which embryos are abnormal and which are normal? It is very clever stuff.

Zeebee Good luck for your scan on Tuesday, I hope your lining is thickening well. Glad you are feeling more positive.

Karbea · 25/03/2012 20:47

Lumil I was thinking of doing one everyday I know initially I'll have hcg in my body from the drugs, so would get a positive.

lumili · 25/03/2012 20:54

karbea I have heard some people do that, it is very scary stuff!!! However, if it makes you feel that it will help you with the 2 week wait then who are we to stop you. However, I would recommend that you do try and wait, even though I know it is very very difficult :)

Karbea · 25/03/2012 21:01

I would just like to say I HATE Clexane!!!! It hurts so bloody much!!!

KnackeredCow · 25/03/2012 21:11

Josie I'm so sorry to read your news. However, two follicles at 10cm each could go on to produce two eggs. I know things are developing slowly for you, but it's not impossible with a bit of patience. They are still developing.

I'd back what the others have said on here, though. I don't know the ins and outs, but I do wonder if you'd do much better on the short protocol. Even if not, if you did turn out to be a suitable candidate, it's certainly worth a shot.

Do you mind me asking the reason for your infertility?

To explain NHS funding, your funder (currently the PCT) will have a service level agreement (SLA), which is a contract, with one or more ART provider. These could include an NHS managed centre (which also treats self-funded patients) or a private clinic that is contracted to provide the service to the NHS. You are normally automatically referred to the clinic with which your PCT contracts, although it shouldn't be impossible to switch. The best thing would be to discuss it with your new clinic. They may know how to go about claiming the funding and so it's worth asking the question if you begin contacting other clinics for a second opinion.

Be wary when considering the clinic success rates stated on the HFEA website (really sorry to disagree with you here Karbea, just playing Devil's advocate), BUT some clinics fiddle their results by turning down difficult patients, which other clinics will persevere with to the detriment of their position on the "league" tables. The HFEA data is useful in identifying the outliers, but any clinic performing close to the national average is probably absolutely fine. Clinics trying and pioneering new treatments probably won't have the best success rates as de facto, they'll attract patients with multiple IVF failures wishing to try something new.

Wishing you best of luck!

CareBear1 · 25/03/2012 21:13

Josie sorry for your news. Surely there should be some element of choice for you. You know some clinics exist in UK that do 'mild ivf' where they only aim to get one or two eggs so I don't,t understand why other clinics want high numbers. Also when ivf started they didn't aim to get loads of eggs out. Just a thought.