Those rats are jolly well going to be smacked this cycle and AF shall have arrows, hatred and misery cast upon her! No argument shall be brooked on both points.

[SantaAndHisChristmasImps]

Rubbish thread title, apologies.

Well, woke up to another temp drop and AF. I'm not too upset, I was expecting it. Can now take painkillers for the backache and cramping I've had for the last few days. Will see my consultant later and show him all the charts etc, and see what he says. Cd1 is a good day to see him I think, unless he wants to dildo cam me..

I'll watch OBEM on catch up tonight. Can never, ever manage to be in front of the tv when something is on, I always forget. However on 4od there's no adverts for new stuff, so it's better watching it on there.

Time to get ready for work, will post again later.

I loved OBEM last night - that water birth was amazing. I love the fact she said "But it didn't even hurt!" as she was given her baby. And then she cracked on with straightening her hair! They struck me as the sort of people who will just get on with things without making all sorts of fuss about every little thing like a few of my friends who I could mention.

Stasi, I'm sorry that AF showed up - but you're right, CD1 is a good day to speak to your consultant and - as I try to remind myself every month - it's so positive that you have a regular and predictable cycle.

Hmmm Maybe I am deffo not convinced that AF is putting her ugly mug in. What's the spotting like? Pink, brown or fresh blood??

Looks like that egg is gearing up Olives - good luck for the shag later!

Sorry about AF Stast I hope everything goes well with your appointment today. As Imps says, at least you are having nice regular cycles

Imps I think it is AF. Spotting is pink and brown, but I have cramps now (though only on my right side). Building myself up for a trip back to docs as I have convinced myself my body is broken [over the top drama queen emoticon]

Oh Stasi so sorry about AF - I thought you had cracked it this month. I'm glad you're seeing your consultant today and I very much hope s/he can help you.

Maybe I am still brooking for you anyway - it aint over until evil auntie arrives properly. Cramps and spotting are signs of early pregnancy in my book.

Smegs and Green we will have nice, calm water births next time! In fact I had a water labour with DD - stayed in the pool right up until and for 2 hours of pushing and it was bliss - really helped with the pain but then my little angel was the wrong way round and refused to come out so I had to have a ventouse after all

I recorded OBEM so will be watching that later.

Bean - sounds like ovulation to me too - I get sharp ov pains as well, which take my breath away. I remember Biscuits saying she noticed her ov pains more and more the older she got/longer she had been trying - it's like our bodies are dropping massive hints that it's time to shag make a baby!

Still in a fair bit of pain here today and wondering whether I will be back at the doctor's on Monday. It feels like there is a hard stone in my abdomen, like my uterus is contracting really hard. Maybe it's just returning to its normal size.

Mooooorning! Migraines still here but on it's last legs - I should be fine by tomorrow. Temp's back down, owing largely to all that cocodamol I should think :o

I have been reading your messages through the day but felt too blah to reply! Good luck today stasi - sorry that AF turned up.

Are you sure maybe? That's very early. Could it be implantation? It'd be timed right?

Get well soon Pop - take it easy today my dear.

Oh Generic maybe give the surgery a call and tell them you are still in pain. Don''t suffer all over the weekend.

Pop glad the migraine is finally on its way out. Hopefully you will be right as rain in no time.

It is very early for it to be AF. I don't have any flow to speak of, it's ony when I 'go looking for it' if you catch my drift

I have resigned myself to the fact that that's what it is, so I won't be disapointed when it does start properly. I have been so so hot these last few days. I can't stop sweating. DH actually can't be near me at night as I am making him too hot

Hmmm, another invitation from Amazon to tell all my Facebook friends that:

I just bought: 'Pre-Seed Fertility-Friendly Vaginal Lubricant Multi-Use Tube - 40 g with 9 Applicators' by PRE~SEED®

Errr, no.

Sorry you're still in pain Generic, this just won't do at all. Don't wait until after the weekend - call the surgery today. Did you suffer like this after your previous ERPCs?

Random question but what do you guys think the best mindset is,,, 'I'm never going to get pregnant without some form of medical assistance so if i focus on that I might trick my body into doing it on its own because the focus is away from the getting pg bit' or should mindset be 'try to focus on something else totally different and see what happens' ???

Bean, Generic is right - I never felt ov pains until we'd been ttc no 2 for about a year. I never knew what they were either - I actually went to the doctors (although had I found MN by then it would have been resolved easily!). And TWO doctors never suggested that pains near my ovary in the middle of my cycle might be ov pains . I agree - its like your body is saying 'come on, how obvious do I have to make it - now please ignore this very painful pain I've given you and SHAG!'

Hello to everyone else.Maybe I do hope this isn't AF for you .

Imps at Amazon's fb suggestion for you. Go on, I dare you......

And Cakes I don't know re the mindset. I was very reconciled to needing treatment I think the cycle we got pg (19 mths in). I was supposed to be starting Clomid the next cycle (even though I ovulated like clockwork) so I figured I'd try that and then we'd give IVF a go. So I was pretty resigned to treatment. I had also done a lot of thinking about 'what if we don't have another'. I know this is perhaps 'easier' if you already have a DC. But I felt a lot happier about that option too.

But I don't think it was a case of having 'relaxed and it just happened' - that advice used to drive me nuts. I'd had my HSG the cycle before and dh's second SA showed an improvement from the first and I think those things probably had more impact iyswim?

Oh and I'd joined the brooking thread too - so that obviously tipped the balance

imps you have just made me laugh a lot at my desk, I can't use preseed though, tried it last month and I produce enough, ahem, lubrication of my own and it just got a bit too slippery

Off to catch up with everyone elses news now.

Hello all

I think you're right - and thanks for the reassurance. - it was Ov pains and dammit-janet the last SWI effort was night of cd15 and ov pains were night of cd18. I don't think my old duffers spermies will have survived the rat run for a full 3 days given the way my fertile CM is (ie isn't). But at least I've finally clicked that I need to ignore the opk stix and keep an eye on temps (tho' this has been so tricky as DS is up and down like a yoyo at night right now and I can't imagine how I'm going to get consistent readings). Any old how. Next month I will endeavour to dtd every other day cd10 - cd20.

I hope I don't sound like a smug-let's-kick-her-MNer but I had a waterbirth at home and it was amazing. Very quiet and I would say that I didn't experience pain either (as such), though I did get to the crowning stage and think, this has to be utterly impossible unless I remove my pelvis first. I then decided that I didn't have much choice and pushed like billio - 20 mins later there he was. Sometimes I think I'm making it all up... Was he an immaculate conception? - another of my more recent 'questions to self'.

Stasi - boo, x10, for AF and well done for taking her in your stride and I hope you peed on her head while striding over her. Maybe - same sentiment. But of course this is the last time either of you'll see her for very many months.

Today I took a leap. I rang for advice re' fostering. I would like to look after very young children (ie, under 2s) and feel that this might be the way to overcome my TTC emotions/sadness that seem to be galloping at the mo'. I'm not sure how DP will feel about this but I'm informing myself first - ie, is it actually possible to specify age - and making this a potential road to go down in the next 12 months if a pg is out of the question.

Biscuits - if anyone else tells me, Relax, you're thinking about TTC too much! I will most likely nut them. WTF else am I meant to do given that I'm not getting pg and would dearly love to more than anything else in the feckin world, nay the universe and beyond? I wasn't very relaxed or confident with the first pg - ie, I thought I was old and past it at 37 - and we still had no problem conceiving. I was VERY relaxed when we started again this time last year since I had every reason to believe that everything was in good working order. So there.

Looks like I'm back writing long posts. Sigh. But I do love you lot so it's fine, innit. xxxx

Maybe totally understand the 'getting mentally prepared for AF' thing, but I still think you're preggo!

Imps I dare you to put that on facebook!

Cakes no idea really, but I prefer to think I will get pregnant without medical assistance, although I am aware that we may need help.

Biscuits it's nice to see you!

Bean fostering sounds like a lovely idea although I'm sure you'll get your beanlet soon anyway. And your birth sounds wonderful. That's what I want next time, but not at home (can't be doing with all those people in my house and the mess afterwards!)

Not had this type of pain with ERPC before so I am a bit worried. I think I'll go back to dr tomorrow if it's still the same. I do hope they haven't broken me as I may need these parts to grow a baby in soon!

I just watched OBEM which had a water birth and a lady with PCOS. I want a birth like both of them had very calm and simple. It also shows with PCOS lady it is possible to get pg.

I'm with you Bean if someone else tells me relax I might have to hit them. I know I'm only 29 and ttc#1 but like you its what I would dearly love.
Biscuit Just had HSG so who knows,,,

Generic get thee to the GP! These things are not to be messed about with - you don't want an infection or something to have to get over, too.

Hi cakes! How long have you been ttc? I'm 27 (almost 28 ) and ttc#1 also, been about a year now. And loads of women fall pg just after a HSG, apparently it cleans out the tubes or something? :o

Ideally, I'd like to be able to just not think about it at all. But I can't. It's been too long, now. So I'm going with, "it will happen in it's own good time" and just trying not to stress. I'm not thinking about medical intervention, because it'll be another 6-12 months til they'll give me any :o

But today, I am fed up of all those people who are eye-wateringly smug about their pfb. It makes me want to scream. And leave fb. And boycott Tesco, whose aisles are full of the sods along with knocked up teenagers buying preggo tests with their pocket money but mostly I just want to be able to be eye-wateringly smug about my pfb

Pop I feel your pain. Just to taunt me on my walk to the station this morning, there was a broken HPT on the floor. I was so tempted to pick it up and see what it said, but no. I walked on

We are all going to get upduffed, whether it by with medical help or without. Because we are rat smakers, and that's what we do

Oh Generic you poor thing. I really hope you are feeling better soon. You are wise to get it checked. It needs to be nice and comfy for next month

I fear AF is well and truly here people. Some of the red stuff now. Ah well. October is one of my fave months after all

I am having a bitch of a day. I haven't stopped! I want my sofa, a cup of tea and a big piece of carrot cake.

Bean you aren't smug at all, it sounds lovely. I want a water birth too (getting ahead of myself) it just looks nice. And I love being in the water.

Imps I dare you to to it as well!!

Biscuits how are you lovely? How is treat-size?

Afternoon. Sorry about AF, Stasi, although at least you were prepared. Definitely a good day to talk about it with your consultant.

Maybe - so you're spotting 5 days early, and it's pink/brown? And you're super-hot? What else, hmm?

Generic can you get a GP appointment now? Or head up to the hospital? I know it takes quite a while to get back to 'normal', but I don't really think you should be feeling like this. Are you on antibiotics already?

Popcorn I hope your migraine is gone now. Have you ever tried triptans? My GP prescribed Sumatriptan ages ago and it's brilliant. I don't end up losing 3 days of my life!

bean, my DH has recently taken to saying 'relax' to me He must realise it's completely counter-intuitive. The twit. Your water-birth sounds like it was amazing, I'm well-jel!

at far. How are you? Hi cakes, I don't think we've been introduced! Nice to meet you.

Got an appointment with Dr W, but it's for the end of the month and we're flying out of the country the very next day. No pressure! Ooh, weird-and-poss-TMI - CM has gone back to watery, after a brief flirtation with EW around CD8. I'm on CD12 now. I think the increased B6 dose is delaying ovulation. If it lengthens the LP too it's going to be one very long cycle this month.

Bother, Maybe Would you like chocolate or ?

Could I have both please Smegs

It is very strange though. I am never early. Maybe a near miss? Maybe not. I have just never had sore boobs like this. They get worse as the day goes on, and bu the evening they are boulders. DH has promised we will be at it like rabbits for the next few months then back to the GP

WHat's you CM all about 8Smegs*? when do you normally ov?

smegs can you take those while upduffed/ttc? My migraines go away when I'm on contraceptives, so it's definitely related to my cycles, so I'd sort of thought there was nothing I could do about them

Ha maybe not sure I'd have been able to resist even if it is a bit gross
I'm sorry, but it is soooooo obviously implantation spotting

I should add, I'm never ever going on contraceptives ever again in the world ever because DH would never forgive me for medicating away my sex drive again so I suppose I should be thinking about an alternative :o

Could well be a near miss. I had boobs like that in early pregnancy, and they just keep growing.

I normally ovulate around CD14, so I'm a little confused too. I'll just keep doing my temps and hope I gear up again. Temps were up a bit this morning, but probably because I kept being woken up by DH's alarm - he hit 'snooze every 10 minutes between 6:30am and 7:10

Popcorn You can't take them while upduffed, but ttc is fine. Although... I did take them once in pregnancy (baby brain) and then had a massive panic, hauled myself up to A&E where they laughed themselves silly at me, patted me on the head and sent me home. DD was and is absolutely fine.

Are you taking B6, by the way? My migraines are also linked to my cycles, and the B6 has not only sent them packing, but I'm also not a grumpy psycho before AF either. Bonus for DH!

Ha! I have never been to a&e but I think I'd have done the same thing!

No, I'm just taking pregnacare. What dose of B6? I might order some and give it a go - this isn't pleasant but I had sort of resigned myself to it and I'd rather take B6 than meds, if it works.

Bought some Tesco own-brand Wellman vits today, can't wait to see the look on DH's face... :o