The BESHes are now getting cross. Because it's taking ages. Now look, Universe, cut us some feckin slack.

[Ariesgirl]

Now also, in honour of the Rugby World Cup, we can also take our pick of the strapping, fine-thighed walking sperm banks who will be on display in New Zealand soon. I vote myself to be the tournament's physio and also we can judiciously place a few eager volunteers into the Pit for Gloom purposes. They are so incredibly tough that they are not likely to go the way of Daniel, Cap'n Jack and Mitchell.

Roll up, roll up....baggsy the first go on Jonny Wilkinson.

Ah Faith I am good at that - ask my RL friends.

I saw enough of that thread
I know what you mean about leaving. Sometimes it makes you dwell more than it helps

That's the thing Bugger - the one thing that you can never ever get away from is the fact that I have always got one child already. A close friend of mine is 43 (she has a son a month younger than mine) and has had two terminations for severe abnormalities in the last year. My ttc #2 journey has been painful at times but it is nothing compared to what she is going thorough. Yes, if I make the decision to stop trying it won't be easy, but I will always have my boy to comfort me.

On this ESH fred there have always been others trying for number 2. But now we're in the minority. And I think I've been supportive and kind, but maybe you do need space to rail against those who already have kids. Maybe Dor was right. I'm not afraid of your honesty by the way. So, here it is. What do you think?

Boo, this thread is for women in their thirties trying to conceive. Last time I looked that was you. Now ages ago, a forty something sneaked in, but she was let off. There have been several beloved ESHes including Polly, Cass, and Gin who were having just as much difficulty conceiving number 2 as most of us were with number one, particularly (and I hope she doesn't mind me saying) Gin. She has got her lovely second son now. Now I admit I and a couple of others threw a bit of a hissy fit this time last year when someone blithely waltzed announcing she was trying for number three and she seemed to be welcome with open arms (though she didn't stick around, I hope she doesn't see this, and I wish her all the best etc). When back at the dawn of time, I asked to join the BESH, I did so because I had followed about one thread and I thought they were FUNNY, in a black and sick way. I'd only been TTC a month at that point - they could have said "No fuck off. This is for women who have had dildocam and drucks". But they didn't.

If you want to stay around here, then you bloody well stay. And I am saying this as the oldest BESH - if not in years, then you know what I mean. If anyone would like to take issue with this, then I am prepared to discuss it

I know I have been absent for a large amount of this thread, even though I started it, and I didn't really want to be drawn back in, but I couldn't not. I'm not going to apologise for being absent - everyone's head gets fucked up every now and then, and at the moment mine is. If you want to leave, that's fine and I wish you all the love and luck in the world - but don't do so because you think that people are thinking you shouldn't be here because you have a child already. If there is one thing I have learned from all this business it's that infertility is SHIT, whether it's your first or your second.

I agree. If you want to leave for your own sake, then ok. Don't feel you have to leave on any of our accounts. I too took umbridge on the brooking thread to Mrs 'I'm ttc #5' doubt she needed to brook anyway! but infertility sucks. End of. You, my good woman, are a BESH.

I so regret starting that thread if people leave because of me.

Please don't leave - any of you - this Fred is keeping me going. I've got it rough right now. I can barely lift my fingers to type - I'm that depressed these days - BUT this is the only part of MN that I feel 100% welcome...because of the black humour, because of understanding exactly what I'm going through. I may not always chime in but I'm always here, reading - and yes, I even read 'that fred'

TBH, I didn't think MN was for me until I found BESHland.

And, yes, PLEASE...let's have a meet up. I'm in. I'll go wherever. And bring lots of gin. Whether you're on your 1st or 2nd baybee win, it don't matter one bit. Just keep it raunchy and dark with lots of laughter. Much needed.

Boo I'm not very eloquent like our Rie ( who I wholeheartedly agree with) but I will say this; don't go on account of some other peoples' misery competition. This Fred sits in conception. Not TTC#1. If you are stopping for your reasons only then I will hug you ( just this once mi d nvere again) and hold your hand pass you the gin whilst you come to terms with your decision.

Fuck everyone else & their busses. Like LP says this was the one place I thought people actually get it.

The needles woman said lots of people are in a bad place right now due the dark of the moon. Love how she makes my emotional outbursts ok.

Now LP about those whips....

Oh darling darling Rie that was so lovely of you to post. You can have Aragorn every day for posting that. I have never posted this before but (and never again!).

Thanks all for your thoughts, fellow ESH. Laura Aren't you in the states? Are we meeting up at your place then?

Dor, If I go, it won't be because of you, or the thread. It will be because we have made a decision to stop ttc. However, I just needed to check that it was all ok. I have done a lot of heart searching, and I think that is a Good Thing. :)

Sunny I always used to blame the moon didn't I? And I'm sure it was HB who said something funny about that .

I wasn't having a strop, or chucking my toys out of the pram. Thanks for having some dialogue with me about this.

hello all, ^am lying next to poorly sick child who the tinternet informs me has croup, which is Not Pleasant, and wondering what people used to do in t'olden days when their child was up and they didn't have iPods to play on.

Sorry for shitting cunting droidery, and fb scans anshiz- I've just found the welsh rugby team wondering rather disconsolately round the back of the Fred, all clutching half empty bottles of voddy , so i've invited them in for a nightcap. Hope that's ok? they do keep doing that awkward rugger boy thing of stripping each other and getting in the hot tub together, but I'm sure we can let that slide since they've had a hard time [hgrin]

*Wandering. ffs. Though they were probably wondering a bit too.

We have to listen to the dark side of the moon most nights. No wonder I'm in such a flipping bad mood all the time.

Btw, child is asleep, am not just neglecting her while she barks-just keeps wakingup. Disclaimer;only mentioning her to clarify why I'm up, didn't want you all to think I was a drunken dirty stop up. Well not on a Wednesday, anyway. Double disclaimer no return: not that I think I shouldn't mention her ever or owt, earned me stripes and all, just in the context of previous posts, not the best timing, so just wanted to show wasn't being deliberately insensitive. that thread^ in my opinion did serve a purpose to me, in that it was a very strong reminder to me toappreciate what I have, not that I don't, just reminded me to do it even more. croupy cough and all.

Might risk trying to go to sleep now- stay tuned to see how i got on. Night lovely BESH.

Just noticed random italics, sorry. ^am bored now, and resigned to not running in the morning, which is a pain: also i bought some scales finally, but they take the big cuboid battery and I can't find them anywhere in the one shop I've tried so far so i can't pinpoint exactly how fat i am, which is preventing me from getting thin yet. And I have a feeling tomorrow is going to involve comfort food.

You cannot entertain a relationship with dougie houser. He looks like ms. Lauren harries!

Nothing more to say on that particular subject.

I think he plays a genius character is HIMYM - Naked Man, anyone?! He was bizarre in Harold and Kumar but not out of place in that flippin awful film.
I know my passport is in date, I'm in!
I may not have a.dc child yet but actually that thread made me appreciate what I have. What I took from it was that I am very blessed don't believe in luck I have DH, a nice home, both have good jobs. There's a lot if people who would luff to be in our position. So it made me count ky blessings. Therefore dor, I am grateful.

of and my obviously. Predicative text!

Boo please don't leave for that reason. I find the BESH are like-minded souls whether or not they have already won a baybee or not. There are bits of MN that scare me or upset me but I feel at home on this fred.

Rie it's good to have you back.

Erm, room for a little 'un?

[waves white flag]

Aries can provide a reference and buggerlugs and Aworryingtrend did invite me to stop by via the Kate & Wills thread.

I'm 30, have been ttc for 18 months and am due to start Clomid on my next cycle, whenever that might be (PCOS).

[Awaits initiation process]