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With angel babies in the sky, some of us expecting rainbow babies, others still ttc and definitely swi!!

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Bluetinkerbell · 22/08/2011 21:56

started new thread! we do talk a lot, don't we? Wink

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ciwi · 26/08/2011 20:11

green sorry you are having a hard day. Could it be a symptom?
I have been thinking a bit too, we plan on telling people on Wednesday if the scan is ok. On one hand I am looking forward to telling people but on the other I am a bit worried that people will think I am all better now I am pregnant again and not understand when I get upset and things. Does anyone else feel like that?
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend x

AngelGeorgie · 26/08/2011 20:22

Ciwi I haven t found that anyone has forgotten what we went through with Georgie since we told them about this pregnancy. I ve only had lovely positive vibes and everyone still talks about Georgie. X

TooImmature2BDumbledore · 26/08/2011 21:09

Green, you poor thing! I think you're doing very well with all the inherent stresses of having to live with your parents again. I would find it very hard. You've just got so many things overwhelming you just now - dealing with going back to work, living with your parents, about to move house in the next couple of weeks, ttc and still dealing with your grief. Don't be too hard on yourself - you still need to cry just to let some of it out every now and then. I hope you felt a bit better afterwards, and that you and DH can get some time to yourselves this weekend. It can't be very long until you move now, and then you can use the washing machine to your heart's content! And maybe it is a sign! I have to say, your symptoms are racking up. Waiting with baited breath for you to reach the end of the 2/3ww!

Ciwi, I think perhaps some people find it very easy to go 'oh well, new pregnancy, so she must be feeling better'. Not everyone, and I think people find it much easier to talk about a positive than a negative, so they may talk about the new pregnancy and not so much about the old one, but that doesn't mean they've forgotten. It's hard - I find that people are very enthusiastic about the whole new hospital/new consultant thing, because it's something they can relate to. I don't really know what I'm trying to say here - I'm swithering! Today a colleague told me about the illness of another colleague and said 'he's had a real annus horribilus', with no indication that this might not have been such a great year for me either and I felt a bit miffed, but she's not someone I'm especially close to so perhaps I was overreacting. Maybe someone else will be along soon to talk sense.

greenzebra · 27/08/2011 07:37

thanks guys. I do feel better, we went out for a fish and chip dinner down on the beach, which was nice and much needed.
too I hope I am, I had a splitting headache yesterday aswell, which is a big symptom for me.

ciwi know exactly what you mean, I dont want to tell anyone for a while, I dont want them think the same thing. But also I dont want their pressure telling me it must be hard being pg again, and all the sympathic smiles and looks all the time. How many weeks are you now?

AngelGeorgie · 27/08/2011 09:26

Green good you re feeling better. I don t think the worries you have now will matter when you re pregnant again. In my experience you ll have loads of other stuff to concentrate/ worry about !!!
Hi all xx

razzdazz · 27/08/2011 09:46

Morning everyone,
green I am so jealousEnvy that you can just pop to the beach for a fish supper.....it sounds soooo nice. My fingers are really crossed for you this month. Have you decided when you will poas yet?? I have had 4 chemical pregnancies but decided this time that if it was another then I needed to no as it would have to be investigated. However, I do understand how difficult it is to have the excitement and hope to quickly loose it again. We have to all choose what we feel more prepared to cope with.
ciwi is next weeks scan the nt?? Im sorry I keep loosing track with it being a new thread Blush. Im sure people wont forget all you have been through, im sure they will be thrilled and anxious for you at the same time.

I had an appointment yesterday with the genetics team, supposedly to find out the reaccurence risk for another baby having the same condition as Thomas. The results are still not back Angry and it feels like it has been forever. At the minute they are giving me a 7% risk as it it somewhere in the middle but are hoping that it will be lower. I went ahead and got pregnant knowing there was always going to be some risk but opted to take the chance. This time I will be scanned at oxford at 14 weeks to determine if the baby has the condition. The genetics consultant has organised me to have a scan next tuesday at EPU to get my dates correct incase I require a cvs, I have already ruled it out but a scan will be nice Smile

Really hope you all have a fab weekend Grin

greenzebra · 27/08/2011 10:55

fx razz that its good news.
I think I will be testing the second weekend of september, that will be forty days, but I might test before. My DH doesnt want me to test before but maybe I will and if its a strong line then its got to be a good sign right? And I shall always test two days in a row.

Bluetinkerbell · 27/08/2011 11:52

hmm I should probably test about then as well green my lmp started 4th of August... but when I got pregnant with Sterre in January, my LMP started 7th of January, when they did the first scan they backdated me 3 weeks, said I only conceived 10th of February... so really don't know what to do now...
on the one hand I'm hoping I will be pregnant, the other hand hoping I'm not so I know how long my cycle is in order to know when to swi... wish we were a few weeks further along already

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MelMal · 27/08/2011 12:06

I know the feeling of not knowing when to have swi as I haven't got a clue when I'm due to ovulate cause of the procedure BUT we're having a hell of a lot of fun in the meantime Wink. Who knows, if I get a visit from af then I know when to start counting from and if I don't then I guess we'll have struck gold! Trying to be really positive about this and enjoy what we're doing (IYKWIM)

greenzebra · 27/08/2011 12:24

mel best way to be. My bbf says that she conceived on the day she felt the horniest and this has always been the day after a pos ov. She only tested one month found that out and then every time she feels horny she jumps right on him Smile she has three kids now. She is very regular though not like me.
TMI I always have loads of c-mucus! (nice) day before. So maybe look out for those types of signs aswell, saves on the ov tests.

ciwi · 27/08/2011 13:44

Hi everyone, thanks for the reassurance. I am 10+5 today and the scan on Wednesday is my 12 week scan even though it will be a little early at 11+2. I just keep worrying about everything and want to tell people but at the same time I like it just being me and dh that knows.
I really hope that all of you who are ttc get your bfp's as soon as possible, we all more than deserve our happy endings x

MelMal · 28/08/2011 10:09

Morning girls, was out with DH for his birthday weekend last night. Had the goats cheese and a steak ( medium) just cause I'm hoping not to be able to eat those things some time soon! How tragic is that? Grin
Lovely night at Orocco Pier and hope that this birthday year is going to be much better for us.
We're going to a Sands memorial service today. It's a non-religious one so we'll see what that's like. Hope you all have a good day and hope that all that sickness and queasiness isn't causing all you lovely pregnant ladies too many problems x

greenzebra · 28/08/2011 11:14

just watched the 'great sperm race' on 4od, interresting viewing if not at times depressing that the number of sperm that gets to the egg is so little and the trails sperm have to go through to get there, no wonder its so hard to get a BFP, but also awe inspiring that a sperm manages to do it at all, and how ovulation really does help. Mother nature really is amazing.

CD26 today, been feeling really hot, even DH mentioned. So hoping fx'd.
Maybe I might test next sunday if AF hasnt arrived, I knew I would start to falter as it got nearer.

mel mmmm.. goats cheese and steak sounds like heaven!

TooImmature2BDumbledore · 28/08/2011 14:14

Razz, hope you get good news from the genetics team - FX!

Mel, hope the Sands memorial day goes well, and that you have good weather for it! It is incredibly windy and wet here, and you're only just across the Forth, aren't you? Goat's cheese and steak sounds delicious. I went out for lunch yesterday and couldn't eat half the things on the menu - yummy cheeses (stilton, goat's cheese, feta, gorgonzola) featured heavily, as did cured meats like chorizo. It was an unusually pregnancy-unfriendly menu - they aren't often that bad.

I forgot to call the community MW and tell her that I got my bloods done by the consultant! She's coming back tomorrow morning to do them, and I forgot to tell work that I would be late. And the only reason for her to come is to give me my notes and discuss the referral to the physio...I feel very badly behaved - I don't know whether to just let her turn up or whether I should text her and say not to bother.

janedoe25 · 28/08/2011 16:54

mel Hope the SANDS memorial service went well, where was it? I was looking at orocco pier for a possible wedding venue, it is beautiful! We settled on a wee place in Bridge of Allan instead.

too I would text her and give her the choice of to come or not?

Fingers crossed green!

We are taking a break from "trying" this month, DF is away next weekend anyway (lucky sod is off to Magaluf for his Stag doo!).

MelMal · 28/08/2011 17:04

Hi girls, service was nice. It was at Queen Margaret Hospital in Dunfermline. DH told me it was non religious but it was. It was nice though all about finding inner peace and remembering our little angels. Weather is rubbish here now. Peeing it down x

greenzebra · 28/08/2011 17:32

jane where you going for your hen do? How many weeks you got to go?

mel Jane and too you all live in Scotland? My DH is from Blantyre originally, now live on the south coast (where Im originally from) hence the fish supper. It been nice down here all afternoon, warm and sunny.

mel glad the service went ok.

too thats the one bad thing about pg is not being able to eat all those lovely cheeses, sushi and pate! Since I havent been pg, Ive stocked up on the old cheeses and sushi, but off them again now just in case.

razzdazz · 28/08/2011 17:43

Hi all,
Just smiling to myself when I read all of the 'can't haves'. There is something about pregnancy that makes me want to rush out and buy prawns, wine and pate.......everytime!!! My hubby says it is because I am a woman that always wants what she can't have Hmm
Pleased that the service went well for you mel

spilttheteaagain · 28/08/2011 17:57

Right, Freya is sleeping and I have just eaten a massive bar of chocolate so here goes with the birth story... it is long, I warn you, but I wanted to write it all before I forget bits. Feel free to skip this if you don't have an hour to spare Grin

As you know I was contracting somewhere between every 5-20 mins from early on Friday, and Sunday eve we went into the local standalone MW unit for a check up and found I was 2-3cm so just on the verge of going into established labour. They gave us a quick tour of the maternity unit before we left and it was really lovely.

Went home and contractions got stronger and closer together. We didn't even try and sleep, fat chance! I was on my ball for a bit and listened to my natal hypnotherapy CD which really helped calm me down as I'd started getting a bit panicky with some of the strong contractions. As they got stronger I had repeated bouts of stinky pooing and felt really quite sick so we moved into the bathroom.

Sitting the wrong way round on the toilet and leaning on the cistern whilst someone massages your lower back really HARD is actually a really good way to get through contractions!

Lots of loud breathing and deliberate loooong outbreaths to try and stay in control.

At about 2am I'd got to the magic 3 contractions in 10 mins and we had to decide which hospital to phone... the actual city hospital where I was booked for the birth unit, or the standalone MW unit we'd been to earlier. So after all my fretting over the previous weeks about where to go, I changed my mind at the last minute Grin. I was starting to struggle to cope with the contractions and to be panicky about still being at home, so we went to the little MW unit at 4.30am, I was examined and was 5cm. I started coping a lot better again now I felt looked after and had a MW with me.

DH was an absolute star of a birth partner. Lots of encouragement and reassurance and firm massage. I'd explained to him earlier that the point of the massage was not to be soothing, it was to provide a sensation that competed with the contraction pain and distracted my brain from it. He got the idea and must have had sore fists by the end!
By 8.30am breathing, massage and positions were just not cutting it and I was starting to lose control, so asked for the gas and air and to get into the pool. They examined me and said I was 7-8cm.

Once in the pool and on the gas and air my perception of time went totally out of the window. The pool and the gas and air made it much easier to cope again for a couple of hours, but then it all just started to get too much. I was knackered and getting quite upset that it wasn?t all over. I seemed to only be dilating 1cm every 2hrs and a MW we?d seen earlier in the night reckoned you could practically set your watch by women doing 1cm per hour Sad.

I did say to DH at one point in a burst of frustration ?Well at least we didn?t pay for one of those hypnobirthing courses. Lying bastards, it does bloody hurt!? The MW said ?Well actually, you pretty much are hypnobirthing, you?re so relaxed and in control, listening to your body and letting it do what it needs to do. You?d have wasted your money!? I took some comfort in this. When I read my birth notes afterwards there were numerous references to how calm I was which amused me as in my brain I was busy fantasising about death and caesareans, whimpering quietly after the strongest contractions Grin

Eventually we got to 1pm and I was due my next VE. After 4 hours in the pool they were concerned that I was still stuck in the first stage. I also had a really full bladder and couldn?t seem to empty it. MW got out the catheter kit and the ARM kit. That did the trick. I was supported out of the pool and onto the loo and (thank God) managed to do a huge wee, which meant Freya?s head could actually descend.

On examination I was fully dilated. They started explaining to me that they could do ARM now. Mid discussion, my waters went anyway. There was some meconium in them so I was advised to give birth on land.

I was told to just go with my body now, and push when the urge came. I was on my knees leaning on the back of the bed. Urge to push??! Huh. Never came. I was just so sick of the whole thing I wanted it finished. I was barely registering the contractions now as I was so tired, so just kind of got on and pushed as and when and made an absolute racket bellowing and mooing about it!

They kept struggling to find Freya?s heartbeat because of my position, and when they did they registered a couple of decels so they got me to change into the semi-recumbent position. I remember actually not giving a toss what the outcome was. I just wanted it to stop. Pushed for all I was worth. They kept all saying what a fantastic job I was doing and how I was pushing really effectively and she was moving down fast. I kept thinking this meant she would be crowning with the next contraction... but there always seemed to be one more to go!

Eventually we got there, head starting to crown. The MWs were amazing and coached me carefully with when to push and when to pant and she emerged causing only one small 1st degree tear and some labial grazes. No stitches needed. Do your perineal massage girls!! The MW said afterwards that based on my skin type she thought I would tear badly, and she was amazed at how well my perineum stretched out. So I reckon it worked!

I was so utterly shocked by what crowning felt like that I was almost non plussed when Freya landed on my chest all blue and slimey and screaming. I?d lost the plot to some extent and kind of forgotten that I was actually having a baby! We let the cord finish pulsing and then it was clamped and DH cut it.

Our gorgeous girl weighed in at 7lb 7oz. She has a little bit of very fine brown hair and deep inky sapphire blue eyes. She does that adorable cross eyed thing when she looks at you because she can?t focus yet.

She was as exhausted as I was after the labour (established labour noted as 21 hours ? 19+ hours 1st stage, 1.5 hours 2nd stage and 20 mins 3rd stage), and consequently wouldn?t feed at all for the first 36 hours. I was hand expressing into syringes and giving it to her. She?s really struggled with latching as she?s got a slightly recessed bottom jaw and so a tendency to suck her bottom lip rather than opening up her mouth fully. She also HATED being manhandled onto the breast and screamed and screamed and thrashed around twisting her neck round madly. I got really distressed by it and felt totally crap. Eventually in the middle of the second night after taking the edge off her hunger with a syringe of EBM, and in peace and quiet alone, I got her to latch on and feed for 8 mins. It was some kind of miracle!

Since then the feeding has slowly improved. She tends to unlatch herself about 20 times in a 20 min feed which means that the feeds took aaaages to do, but we are now down to about 1hour to get 30 mins of feeding done in which is such amazing progress.

My milk came in in staggering quantities and we had to get a breast pump so I could take the first bit of milk off so she actually had a nipple she could get into her mouth ? otherwise it was a bit like trying to latch a kitten onto a football and just ended up with her screaming in frustration.

She?s been a bit jaundiced because of the slow start to feeding, but is now gaining weight again and improving in colour.

We are completely smitten and taking hundreds of photos. I am so in love Smile

MelMal · 28/08/2011 18:32

Spilt thankyou for sharing that with us. I'm sitting here with tears if happiness for you and your family. Enjoy your beautiful baby girl and we'll hear from you when you get a minute. Much love xxx

Bluetinkerbell · 28/08/2011 18:40

spilt what an amazing birth story!

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TooImmature2BDumbledore · 28/08/2011 18:42

I'm crying too - it's so sweet and lovely and happy! Much love to you and Freya xxx

razzdazz · 28/08/2011 19:12

Told in a lovely and honest way, how wonderful, well done split.

CheeseandGherkins · 28/08/2011 19:30

Lovely birth story :) She sounds adorable :) Hope the feeding continues to improve too. xx

AngelGeorgie · 28/08/2011 19:40

Spilt fab news xxx your end stages ( 2 and 3 ) sound like what I experienced with Georgie. Aqueous cream is also brilliant for preventing skin tears. I LOVED the gas and air found it brillantWink enjoy Freya xx