Shh! Don't tell anyone, but the whisky-sodden, foulmouthed, Silk Cut smoking, 30 something etc TTCers are hiding from babydust under a mound of wine bottles - come & join us!

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And there we go...

Shiny, winy (but never whiny) new thread!

Come on in then, settle down and pass the gin. No baby dust, no huns and no fecking glue, just lethal combinations of dodgy duty free and the confidence to use the word PERIOD required.

Fish it probably will be nothing so try not to whip yourself up into a complete frenzy. Easy said I know. I'm the Queen of the early scans and of frenzy whipping. Hope all goes well tomorrow.

did I mention Mr FA and I are on a doc's orders sex ban? Right couple of wankers these days.

Ginger beer is the mixer of the Gods. With good rum and fresh lime is my particular fave. Hubba hubba.

Do you know what other drink is lovely but sounds yuck?...

...Tall glass, loads of ice, fruits like frozen berries you get in supermarket freezer, rose wine....topped up generously with ginger ale. I shit ye not. Give it a go on a warm summer's day. Possibly 2012 now though. We seem to be in autumn up here.

Any news Fish?

In 'me' news...I'm having stomach cramps and feeling ever so slightly nauseaous (9DPO). Probably imagining it, but all the same, cramps before I come on isn't heard of in these parts

Sorry for all quiet weekend - Mr Desperate and I have been re-cementing our bonds (eeeww, that sounds a bit gross, doesn't it? LOL!) so things are better, although I expect saying "I seem to be a bit pregnant dear" may throw things back into confusion and misery again :o

Brandy and Dry Ginger is pretty amazing Folic - tastes like pop, gets you really pissed! You just know that's a drink that's going to appeal to me :o

Bollocks #2. "Non-viable pregnancy" confirmed by HCG tests. They were crap on Friday, and even crappier this morning. I don't fancy an ERPC if I can avoid it so for now, I'm going to let that cow Mother Nature do her thing. (Not looking forward to that - bound to be yukky...)

Can I add a shit, fuck and arse to my previous bollocks?

Looking on the bright side, (a) at least it shows I can get pregnant again, (b) I still have wee Robert who is being extra bright and cheery at the mo, (c) I can now have some gin and count it as therapeutic (juniper's good for muscle cramps, doncherknow).

desperate, hopefully if you are up the stick, Mr D will be pleased despite himself. My old man was a bit taken aback at news of my no 2 but now it's gone, he's as sad as I am.

Hey ho, keep calm and carry on. And eat chocolate.

SHITMOTHERFUCKINGCUNTBASTARD. Fish so sorry to hear that. Sorry if I was too Ms Blase all will be cool earlier. Pish that hospital were crap as well.

Oh Fish, I'm so sorry. Add as many 'shits' and 'fucks' as you like, though I thought Folic put it pretty well - it's always good to have a proper swear!

She IS a cow, isn't she, that old Mother Nature? :(

If it's any help, Mr Desperate's sister had an mc in January...she's due on...wait for it...25th December (bwahahaha!). So there's hope honey xxx

If I am, and Mr Desperate isn't pleased, quite frankly I'll just go it alone. It will break my heart to lose him, but he either man's up, or gets the hell outta dodge. I've gone it alone most of my life and I'm still here at the ripe old age of 43 (very nearly 44) and I can do it again.

I hope things go quickly for you Fish and they aren't too yucky. I'll be thinking of you (((Fish))).

what everyone else said fish that is fucking shite and I am so sorry for you.

Thanks for the gin ladies, and the Toblerone (my fave - yumsters).

It's refreshing to be on here - you're all down-to-earth(y), which I much prefer. (On another website I post to, I've already had two "angel baby" responses - as I'm a copper-bottomed atheist, that doesn't really help me. Gin, however, does.)

It is all a bit superfuckingwankalisticshittyalidocious. But TBH, it's not the worst thing ever to have happened to me. (It's not even the worst thing to have happened to me in the last 12 months.*) I know to some ladies that might sound really hard and heartless, and it's absolutely not meant to, but - at least the way I feel at the moment - it's just the way it is. I'm sad about the lost opportunity, but I was always a bit uneasy about this pregnancy - no real clue why - and so hadn't really got into the idea of it. No doubt the hormones (and gin) will kick in soon and I'll dissolve into a puddle of snot and tears, but for now I'm OK.

Couldn't say that on some websites but I feel more comfortable with you ladies :-)

Not looking forward to the physical bit. If things haven't got a move on of their own accord by the start of next week, I'm down the hospital. GP has just told me it could take 2-3 weeks just to start - bugger that - I don't want it to drag on and on.

Sorry about the mememe!

• in last 12 months, my FIL (whom I adored as if he was my own dad - who died when I was 10) died a horrible, revolting death from cancer; my mum was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and deteriorated so quickly she needed to move into a nursing home; husband got cancer in his thumb and had to have it amputated; I got a slipped disc and was in severe pain for months before having an operation in June. So this latest pile of poo isn't top of the heap by any means.

PLEASE don't apologise about a 'me' post Fish. Wow, you really have had a shit storm of a year, haven't you? And if you've managed to get through all that and come out the other side, then you're pretty strong honey.

Another copper-bottomed atheist here - I can't do with the whole 'angel baby' thing either. And to be honest, I'm far too practical. Death is a part of living. It's utterly, utterly horrible, but there's no avoiding it, no matter how hard we try.

Snot and tears is also ok. I suspect the gin may help to bring that on :)

I really hope things get a move on for you Fish. Waiting around for weeks on end would be ghastly.

Thinking of you xx

Hi there socks. Join me in a large gin?

Yes please

Hiya socks.

I'd like a gin, but given my current state of feeling pukey, I think I'd better pass.

I was smoking this morning (I know...I know!), but I'm off to see the quit smoking nurse this afternoon. And if I really am up ze duff (and not just got a tummy upset), then I had better stop sharpish!!!

Can we get some tequila in too Fish? Gin tends to make me maudlin LOL!

*too, dammit!!

god fish sounds like you've had a shite old year, let's hope things are on the up eh? You are obviously a treeemondously strong person so whatever you need to say here as honestly as you want you can...

Now, give socks her fags back, we don't judge in here....

Hi socks join us in a margherita? I'm making some pitchers - one for us and fish gets her own one today.

I'm in the 2WW and supposed to be out for drinks tonight and everyone going knows what a wino I am so not entirely sure how I'm going to pass off the 'just a couple of small glasses for me'

not drinking is very dull n'est pas?

Gah, sorry Fish. If I might impart one bit of advice as one pragmatic atheist miscarrier to another though, I reck it might be worth you talking to some more folks about waiting and seeing/medical management v ERPC. A lot of people I talked to who'd been through it said letting it happen naturally is pretty tough going physically, particularly if you have to wait weeks for it to kick off. And (like I think rara said before me) the ERPC really isn't too bad.

As you were.

sorry socks, here's your fags back. Sorry they're a bit soggy. And for the hormonal bit. As you can see, I've got an excuse...

jewels, interesting you say that. As the day's gone on, and the more I think about it (and read about it), the more I think I'll go for the op. Otherwise, I could be farting around for weeks waiting. Sounds harsh, but I've got too much to do! (Need to finish clearing my mum's house so that I can sell it to pay her care home fees, plus I have an event next month to organise, to raise money for our local village hall, not to mention actually putting in some hours with my employer.) And I'd be always worried about even taking a day trip out somewhere, or the days when I'm on my own with the sprog.... . Hm. Will see how I feel tomorrow.

Nice margherita wino, thanks. Tonight's agenda is pie, mash and peas (and gravy) for tea, bottle of Shiraz, Dog Soldiers on DVD. You're all welcome round if you bring your own pie.

Pass me a fag Socks...just seen the 'quit smoking' nurse and have a prescription for patches...though I don't think the whole quitting smoking has permeated my hat support system yet! :o

Actually Fish, going for the op because you have too much to do doesn't sound harsh to me, it sounds very pragmatic and sensible. Whatever you decide to do, we'll be here to support you x

I'm ok with the pie and mash, not sure about the peas to be honest if they're mushy ones (ick!). Dog Soldiers is awesome...I can bring apple and blackberry pie I made yesterday - blackberries were scrumped from the farm last weekend and are very tasty :)

Still feeling nauseous on and off, burping like a badly-behaved alcoholic and keep squeezing my boobs, so if they didn't hurt before, they will soon LOL!

POAS and nothing, but then I'm only 10 dpo...so hardly surprising really. 2ww is bad for me!

desperate, the peas are petits pois. We're classy in my house. Your pie sounds tops. Two pastry confections in one meal - excellent (though not for the arteries).

I know what you mean about the TWOT! However, patience, young Jedi.

V. classy Fish! I'm coming round yours for my dinner

The pie was lovely - Mr Desperate had two portions - but then he generally has two portions of every meal and never seems to put on any weight - bastard! Then again, he has an extremely physical job (tree surgeon, handyman, general all-round outdoorsy genius) so burns off any gargantuan quantity of calories that he consumes at my house at the weekends. He says it's all my fault because I'm a good cook - nice to know I'm good at summat :o

You're now official my friend - you called me "young" - I can't remember the last time that happened LOL! :o

Anyone got a light though-I seem to have misplaced mine again.

I too will join in the pie and mash (Steak in ale anyone?) and peas but only if they are genuinely, definitely petit pois. I just can't "do" any other type of peas.

Fish quite frankly your hormonal outburst is completely understood and is therefore forgiven. Also proffering any support required-I'm pretty good at sarcastic jokes and suchlike if you need cheering up. And can also offer a fag or two, although I should really make an effort to give up again whilst I'm on the TTC wagon.

Knock up another pitcher of margaritas will ya wino...

Has jewels gone off to be all wise and sage-like elsewhere? I dunno, comes in, dispenses pearls (of summat) and then buggers off without a by-your-leave....

Oh, and that'd be "officially"...shit, I just can't type tonight!

socks are you a lighter klepto? Cos Mr. D is, although I've learnt to leave the ones that are on their last legs lying around - I figure if I'm going to lose them to the depths of his pockets, they might as well be the shit ones! Bwahahahaha! :o

Mmmmmm...steak in ale pie - sounds yummy! :)

Okaaaaaaay, I admit it-I am a lighter klepto , I've just managed to half inch my mums favourite one this weekend.