JSing viroids, on your marks, get set, shag!

[JosieSmith1]

The (updated)(again)(again)(again) 'rules' from our Just Shagging Originator for the Viroids:

Maintain a relaxed attitude at all times - drink if you want too, especially on your birthday (or when you've had bad news). Thread precedent dictates if you drink to excess you will get a BFP (but not recommended). (But it does work).

Covet thy husband and enjoy every minute. Shag at every opportunity - shag-capes and awesome superpowers optional.

Keep acronym-age to a minimum! EWCM is now to be referred to as 'pant snot'. Try not to get sucked in by Fertility Friend (at least for a while), but knowing where you are in your cycle and furkling for pant snot is most definitely allowed.
OV is ovulation - I'm allowed to forget what date I've OVd, feel free to join me on that one!

Bunting is to be put out for any small victory, thread-parties are held regularly and hugs are always welcome!

Once you have your BFP, feel free to hang around and share your wisdom and virtual cocktails with the JSers.

Keep us up to date with gossip!

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Most of these rules are well and truly broken!! But we try to chill - honest

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Part 1 Graduates:
Tanmu82 - BFP
PrivetDancer - BFP
OnlyWantsOne - BFP
Frankenfanny ? BFP
Notso - BFP
knittakid - BFP
loopeylu - BFP
PinkFondantFancy - BFP
Grannyapple ? BFP
Fuzzywood - BFP
canoe - BFP
janedoe - BFP
StarflowerGirl - BFP

Part 2 Graduates:
ihaveaplan - BFP
lovemylulu - BFP
shitforbrains - BFP
gormers - BFP

Part 3 Graduates
Bonkerz - BFP
Kitten - BFP
Cowboylover - BFP
takingtheplunge ? BFP

Part 4 Graduates:
NoMoreChocBiscuits - BFP
Milanomum - BFP
Cremegg - BFP
BrassicaBabe - BFP
Dynababy - BFP

Part 5 Graduates:
TakeThatLady - BFP
Vallinna - BFP
SingingMog - BFP
aDarkStarWithStrangeWays - BFP
Eskarina - BFP

Part 6 Graduate
Reality - BFP

Part 7 Graduates:
Katiepie - BFP
CaramelGirl - BFP
Nickelbabe - BFP
Panpie - BFP
Brightcopperkettles - BFP

Oh I'm so sorry to come and hear the sad news here.

Crow - How awful for you to go through this again. I have no words for the pain you must be feeling. Please look after yourself and give yourself as long as you need to heal.

Josie - Rotten news from your end too. The good news is that they know your eggs may be ropey, and they will take it into account from the beginning. So give you a higher stimulation dose. I think once you've started it, it will be easier to deal with. You take a step at a time - don't look at the whole lot. Small goals. But give yourself time to adjust to the new situation. As Nelly said, donar eggs would be an option too.

Well done on the JSing Nelly! We actually managed some of that at the weekend - had to take the morning off church to do it as we've been so busy! First time this year . Really need to put more effort in....just tired and busy.

princess the concept of bunking off church to -ahem- bonk has made me chuckle

Hi nelly! Well done on the JSing! Post-shag sleep is always wonderful. We haven't done the deed for a few days now, as I am indeed as big as a house now. It's hard to feel in any way sexy!

LOL princess! Bonking instead of church sounds way more fun!!

Today I am so far mostly feeling:

A little sad
A little scared
A little worried
THAT I WILL NOT BE BEATEN

Hugs to everyone. We truly are the strongest women in the world

Princess I am going the other way - going to church rather than bonking

Well done for flying the shag cape Nelly

I fear I must put this in perspective! I'd worked all week and Saturday. And we've been decorating our bedroom every evening. So I was genuinely knackered and needed a morning off before the next week. And I also realised it'd been a month since we'd last had any action....rugby and decorating really take it out of a man! So, yes, we bunked church and spent some Quality Time together! :) :)

Well done Josie for the honesty and positivity.

Had my ivf consultation appt at clinic last Wed. My appt was ok but I struggled to keep it together, and when the dr went out to get my prescription I did well up a bit but managed to pull myself round. They should have couches not two separate chairs, some couples like physical contact when being told you're starting ivf. Anyway, our starting date is 19th Feb (a week on Sunday) and I'm counting the days. Thursday is our appt with the nurse to learn how to do the injections. I was hoping they'd give me the needles so I could get used to looking at them but I won't get them till Thursday. I've got my prescription though so I'm trying to look at the bottles regularly so they don't freak me out when the time comes to start injecting. Had another blood test to check my kidney function (I knew I wouldn't get out unscathed). I've been very very angry and snappy recently but I'm trying not to hold back too much as I need to let it out, and people know why I'm snappy so they should cut me some slack. Feeling slightly at my pg friend who has been complaining about her situation and 'constant worry about birth' which she's never mentioned to me before and I feel like screaming at her 'I'm starting IVF for f*s sake!' but I won't.

Hope you are all well x

Me again! Am I on my todd?

Got my appt with the nurse tomorrow to learn how to do the jabs. I'm a bit more excited about it all now, compared to my last post, although I think it's because time has passed and I think it's not real (someone is going to jump out at me at any moment and say 'ha, gotcha' I'm sure of it. But I've decided, and have told everyone that for the next 2 months it's all about me, and I am going to look after myself regardless of everyone else. Methinks some spa trips are in order (and those boots I have been wanting to buy for ages....)

Hi ladies - just popped in.

Crow am so sorry you find yourself in this position again. Huge hugs.

Josie so many positives and negatives. Stay strong. If you want any advice or have any questions with the IVF please ask. I found it an incredibly stress-free process after TTC naturally as it finally felt we were moving in the right direction. Your % chances are low but don't forgot that 'normal' chances are only in the early 20s.

Sorry not to catch up further. Hugs xxx

Hi everyone, this thread had slipped off my radar. Lovely to "see" you val, I confess to a bit of Just Mumming stalking to seeing how you all are.

Hugs to you Josie and listen to the wise words of val. Will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Not much going on here. Except we are going skiing this weekend. Hooray for not being pregnant!

Josie - well done!!! You're moving forward!! As Vallinna said, you're on the journey now - just let go and let the ride take you! Let us know how the needle appt goes today.

News from my end....I'm having a girl! V excited, as beginning to feel her move now. We'd have been happy with a boy or a girl, and we thought it would be a boy. But wonderful to be able to talk to her and bond more.

Enjoy your skiing Nellie. We're off to Egypt a week today. So cannot wait!

Nelly skiing sounds fab, have a great time!

Hi Val thanks for that, I'm pretty much sorted (talked the nurse's ear off with questions yesterday!) but I will definitely get ni touch if I need to

Congrats for a girl Princess!

My appt went well yesterday, the first time I haven't felt totally depressed after leaving the clinic. We both had to practise injecting into a fake bit of stomach fat and then DH had to inject salt water into me so I could feel what it's like. I was so terrified! I must have looked ridiculous, I was holding my stomach in one hand, DHs hand in the other so he only had one hand to inject with, I squeezed my eyes shut, wiggled my toes and blew my breath out (helps me stay calm). And it was ok! The needle is long but really really fine and it did sting a little, and was a bit sore afterwards, but it was over pretty quick and now it's just a teeny tiny pin prick on my stomach (I'll look like I've got a funny rash at the end of the three weeks!)

I've just realised, I don't qualify as a JSer anymore!

crow sorry to hear your news. Hope you are receiving lots of tlc in real life.

Josie just wanted to wish you good luck. Well done for being brave about the injections. For what it's worth there weren't many of us only jsing .

princess very exciting news! Love your name changes and look forward to seeing you on just mumming soon.

Nelly how are things with you?

(baby2b name changed to curiositycola)

Hi everyone, just a quick update

Had the first injection on Sunday, I cried, got a bit panicked, then didn't feel it so that was a positive experience. Monday night's I felt, then on Tuesday morning I passed out at work and kept slipping in and out of consciousness (on the tea room floor ) and ended up being put into an ambulance to the hosp and I had really bad abdominal pain. Then the symptoms stopped on their own and I was fine! I was terrified it was a reaction to the buserelin cos it started with what I thought was a hot flush, but the hosp didn't think so, and when we spoke to the fertility clinic they didn't think so, and I took my next jab last night (which really hurt and left a bruise) and I'm ok so far today. Hosp said it's just one of those things! I'm terrified it's gonna happen again.

So far my IVF journey has not been easy and I don't suppose it's gonna get any easier, maybe yesterday was a warning that I'm knackered. I feel physically and emotionally like I've been hit by a bus but I'm determined to carry on

Hope you are all managing ok x

Come out come out wherever you are.....

Hi Josie - sorry for not responding, I was away skiing last week and trying to basically keep away from MN. It was lovely to clear my head of all TTC thoughts slightly hampered by ERTD arriving on day 2.

Sorry to hear of your experience so far. I hope it was indeed just one of those things, but can imagine it's a bit scary for you. Quite a few days have passed now since your earlier post, has everything been ok since then? Fingers crossed for you, I guess you have to just take it a stage at a time rather than looking at the whole big picture in front of you?

We are just waiting to hear back from the hospital about our referral, I think it's been at least 2 weeks since I sent the form back. I have a feeling I'm not going to see the surprisingly efficient side of the NHS . In any case I have worked out that this cycle I am on now would not be a great one to get pregnant as it would mean the resultant baby would be due about 3 weeks before our wedding! I have considered not trying this month but realise that this would just stress me out more, and in any case the chances of this month being the one seems rather unlikely! So we are back to just shagging again!

Nelly I have been at that stage as well, thinking it would not be ideal to get pg just before my friend's wedding (I was maid of honour) but then I decided it would probably not work so shagged anyway . I hope you get some news soon, waiting for things this important is almost unbearable at times! I have been flying the shag cape recently, we are officially JSing again seeing as I can't get pg, so technically I can stay on this thread

Yes I've been absolutely fine since last week, just a bit run down but I expect that's normal. I just realised last night I'm on CD33 when I'm usually 28-30 days, but I'm not sure if that's because of the meds or maybe somethign else You'd think I'd have stopped symptom spotting by now

Hi! Just checking in on josie really! Glad to hear you are better. I was chronically tired and had cracking headaches during down regulation (I was on Buserelin spray). I remember going to the theatre one night and wanting to cry I was too tired to even leave and go home - if that makes sense?!

LOL Nelly I remember trying to jinx myself pregnant. I remember my first clomid cycle would have made me miss my BFs wedding had i worked...Turned out I rocked up 6.5 months PG instead

haha val to be frank I'm way past jinxing myself pregnant . I just actually will be a bit p'd off to have spent multiple ££££s on the wedding, only to be in a post birth state of exhaustion and barely able to enjoy it! Mind you, any BFP between now and the end of the year means I'll just have to be sober instead. Which is much much worse . It's all a little unlikely at this stage though.

Josie glad you haven't had any more hospitalisations! Hooray for Shag Capes, we are back to JSing properly too as I really don't pay that much attention any more. CD33 you say? No idea of the protocol regarding the DR drugs, but is it worth a call to your doctor to check if that's normal?

Oh I have so much to learn.

No such luck Nelly apparently it's quite normal typical. Before we went to the clinic I felt like I knew everything there was about TTCing, now I feel like a fish out of water again. No idea what to expect, which is really annoying. I just want to know what the future holds i.e. are we going to get enough follicles, are the eggs going to fertilise, will the embryo(s) implant. Argh, so annoying just waiting and wondering. So in the meantime, flying the shag cape high

I would ask val if you have questions, I think she is well versed . Easier said than done i know, but I guess the follies will grow if they grow, so try not to stress And remember IVF teaches your doctors loads about you even if it doesn't work first time. So maybe think of it as a series of detailed investigations at this stage, which might just have the by-product of a BFP?

Gawd, it is so dependent on the person For example, I think the stimming phase for most people is around 5-7 days...I was 3 weeks....!

Just remember, it only takes one egg. Don't get too hung up on follicle numbers. I don't think I asked once about how many it looked like as with PCOS it was impossible to really tell. In the end they got 16 eggs, 12 fertilised, 2 put back, 2 frozen. They actually freeze the better quality ones as this gives them a great chance of surviving the freezing and defrosting. It makes you realise how hard it is just to get a good fertilised egg and does make you ponder how the hell it happens naturally!

Yeah Val I've no idea how anyone does it naturally! I know no-one can tell me what's going on until we actually know what's going on, IYKWIM , it's just frustrating waiting. But there's less than 3 weeks left now until I know for sure. Our stim is estimated at 1 week but I'm on a higher dose and they could extend it if they need to. Will just have to wait and see.

We had a big discussion about our options last night and we've decided if I don't respond to the meds and they suggest donor eggs, we're going to go away and think about it. We've said no up to now but I'm starting to think maybe the benefits outweight the negatives. Oh well we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. I'm feeling a little bit more positive today, I think it's knowing that we have more options, such as 2 more courses of IVF if this one fails, or the possibility of donor eggs if I don't produce enough. The future is an uncertain place

Jinxing definitely works. I was almost two weeks overdue, I'd sat at home since my due date because I had been expecting to be the proud owner of a new baby so hadn't made plans. Finally decided to make plans to meet a friend and of course contractions started as soon as I started getting dressed.

Hope you are all well :) Good luck with your IVF josie

Can I have a bit of a rant please. Sorry, I know it's a childish subject

As I'm sure I've mentioned before, my best friend is pg and not very sensitive. She was complaining again yesterday about having to be in her flat when the baby is born, so I simply said it's not forever, and it's better than IVF. She said she thought we were drifting apart (which we are sadly) and that we need to support each other. I agreed but said that I felt it hard to be sympathetic when she has what I so desperately want, and with what I'm going through at the moment. She responded by getting angry and saying that she doesn't want my sympathy (yet she complains to me constantly) her life hasn't been plain sailing and her pg hasn't been easy either, but let's be honest, she had a few weeks of morning sickness months ago but of course, according to her, it's the worst thing in the world. She always makes such a big deal out of trivial things. Yes it might not be ideal but she should realise how lucky she is. I didn't reply, I would have said something I regretted so I'm leaving it until I've calmed down. I just wish she could be more sensitive to what I'm going through and perhaps not complain to me about things that seem fairly trivial in comparison to what I'm going through. I've supprted her through her anxiety difficulties for the last 11 years and when I need her to support me, she makes insensitive comments. Maybe our friendship just isn't meant to last

Anyway, rant over, sorry for bothering you, I know it's a childish scenario, but it's bothering me

Rant away Josie. No reply is probably wise; you are pumped full of hormones just now too remember!

Hello babylann . Lovely to see you, was just thinking of you the other day! Have you been lurking? Hope you are well.

Friday! Yippee picks manky shagcape off floor to re-use unwashed