Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all laughing! All welcome! (Part 12)

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A safe place for everyone on the TTC after MC rollercoaster. Welcome and come in - virtual wine and chocolate for all, and lots of support and hand-holding until you get your BFP!

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Lily - this thread isn't just for those TTC after MC it is also for those knowing they will at some point but when the time is right for them so don't feel like a fraud

A&R - your comment wasn't flippant at all Feeling a bit weird about it really. This is the second truly meaningful dream I think I have had in my life. My first was I dreamt I was on a boat and went overboard, I started drowning and my Grandad (who has passed away 15 years ago) lifted me back on the boat and told me I could wake up, everything would be ok. I was going through a really bad patch at the time with my exdp, needless to say I found the strength to kick him out and life got much better So yeah, I guess at first I was gutted when I woke that I wasn't pg but I like the idea of it coming to me to allow me to accept the idea of a new life round the corner. Kinda gives me hope that it will happen eventually.

AandR wow that sounds amazing. I've not been to Kew but I've seen pictures of the part you mean. How soon do you get started now that you have the planning passed? We've always fancied building a timber kit house one day.

I've had various bloods done since the EP in Jan and the MC in May. They have ruled out PCOS but prolactin is unusually high. Had an MRI to rule out brain tumor (that was a fun wait). Progesterone was low but they did a d2/d21 test on the one cycle that was 36. I asked if the long cycle mattered but was told no (not sure that's right though). Consultant thinks I don't ov every cycle and that low progesterone could have been the cauase of both EP and MC. Hence prescribing 3x cycles of clomid and if I get PG will have progesterone supplements early on. They're not 100% certain that MC wasn't also EP, so not sure what my chances are of another EP now. >

Chloe 55 good luck with the Clomid it can work , sorry to hear that you've had some bad side effects. Have they checked your progress (PG levels, scan) to make sure you're on the right dosage? I had to really hassle to make sure I got blood tests each month, but it meant I got the right dosage, eventually. I took 50mg for 3 months and then upped to 100mg - only side effects were feeling hot (and not in a good way) at nighttime. I took the Clomid just before I went to bed so that if I felt rotten it'd be hopefully when I went to sleep.

lily06 thinking of you waiting to start the clomid, not an easy time, just take it easy and be kind to yourself. Easier said than done I know

AandRMum - SMEP? Sorry still not good on all the acronyms.

Hope you all have a good day

lily 06 just read your recent post and releived to hear it's not PCOS, (great unignored female medical condition) but I can imagine you just want to know what it is! It does sound like your consultant is saying all the right things. It's not many of them who will even offer progesterone support. Hopefully the clomid + progesterone will be the answer..best of luck x

FANTASTIC NEWS on the planning permission AR do tell details....!

Oh how wonderful....

First friday full time week - shagged out already and not started yet!!! (and have had 3 days working at home with feet up... doesnt bode well does it?!?)

Hi all, Just catching up I missed lots last night, but I just needed to take my mind off things. Had to work from home again yesterday (car trouble) and it doesn?t help my state of mind whatsoever. Anyway back in again today and feeling a bit perkier than the past couple of days???btw sorry for being a grump recently!!

Chloe I meant to reply yesterday to your awful experience when you where child minding. That is so sad I can imagine why you would think that and I would be so angry. I don?t blame you for taking time out. Dream v. strange. But I hope it means the tide is about to turn for you.

Mouse I hope you are ok? Sorry about the bumps and babies. Midweek shopping is the worst for them?but then having said that I just feel like they are EVERYWHERE now anyway. Stay out of coffee shops?.its like a new born baby mecca. Your 50 opks made me giggle??but not enough to stop me from thinking about ordering more?.. 2 times did you say?. No 3 times!!! Lol I think maybe we should rename this thread OPKs anonymous .

Blackkat sorry you find yourself here, especially after such a difficult road before. But welcome, everyone here is lovely.

LILI I know exactly how you feel waiting for AF. Its been 5 weeks and 3 days since my mc and I am doing my nut in waiting for it. I think AF with finally give me a bit of closure (hopefully) and mark a new start for me to focus my energies. I hope it comes soon for you.

MummyA how are you today? I hope you are feeling better in yourself. How was your counseling session.? I hope it went well for you both.

AandR Congrats on the planning permission?.it sounds very exciting indeed.

Hadrian Enjoy Thailand?.. I am not in the least bit jealous, honest
Hmmm I like that everyone thought of me as a little soft smiley boarder collie. That suddenly seems nicer than a desperado. to keep or change back??

OK, better go and get some work done!!

You will kick back into Nix esp knowing there is an end in sight. We need to do some more design work and enabling work (electricity, water, gas, phonelines etc onto the site) before we can really get stuck in, which is good in a way as I have a contract I need to finish before I can take on the build. I am going to be managing it - I am a PM but daunting to do it for your own home!!

Chloe I am glad you are being looked after - always hard when you don't know exactly what is going on inside. What powerful dreams - I hope it does help lift some of the grief and I am sure there is a baby waiting just around the corner.

blackat no worries I only just found that one out myself Sperm Meets Evg Plan. I am rubbish with links but

I think there is one just a page back

Change back! Change back! Although DW is quicker to write than Collie but then I am lazy

Blackkat - no, I am not being montiored which my retired midwife MIL is very and about. I am not due to see consultant for another few weeks either and when I rang about the bad side effects a couple of weeks ago the furthest I could get was through to his secretary who passed on a message and he passed the message to me through her that it was normal Spoke to gp aswell as I thought I might be able to get a bit more of a personal response and got messages passed via the receptionist I am a bit -wimpy- slack at pushing for things but deep down I know I should be.

Oh yes I liked Collie as well - it made me' think of walks along the river path

Ok Chloe I am passing you my PM hard arsed persona for the day ( I am a natural whimp as well and need every prop I can get to face down my testosterone ridden world) Use it wisely and insist on talking directly - you are not bothering them or wasting their time (fears i often have) you are just asking them to do their job

AandR thanks - got the link - think will have to hide from DH - he will be knackered just thinking about it! Fab news about the pp, what an exciting and fulfilling thing to be doing, keep us posted.

Chloe55, sadly, I think the GP and Consultant are probably right about the side effects - they are "normal".

I don't think you are being wimpy at all - it's tough asking and asking again for them to test. Thinking of you.

My first consultant told me that bcs the Clomid had worked in month 1 it would work again, he told me that I probably wasn't DTD enough, hence not being pregnant - cheeky sod.

I demanded a D21 blood test in month 3 after being non-monitored in month 2 and being sure I hadn't ov. Sure enough I hadn't in 2 or 3. I then asked my GP (female - understanding and amazing) to send me to a different consultant - who is brilliant. He upped my dose and his advice was a D21 blood test is enough stress rather than internal scans at various points bcs taking Clomid is stressful enough, he was right. He also talked about Clomid like it was normal, and was so positive about success even with PCOS. I calmed down, body got used to the clomid - felt much better in months 4,5 & 6, and it worked.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would imagine you can cope with the side effects if you know the drugs are working. So however hard it might be to keep hassling I think you need to. My rationale for hassling was "I can only take so many of these damn pills, so I am damn well going to make sure that they are working" Hope this helps and sorry if it sounds a bit ranty, have re-read x2 and it seems ok. Good luck, thinking of you xx

Morning all

Hello ladies, hope you're all doing okay? I've been having internet probs (grrr) so am well behind with all of you . No symptoms at all here yet, so am just trying to keep my head down and distract myself from it all. Have GP appt lined up for next week.

Sorry to see some new faces on here Hils and Blackkat - sorry for your losses, but you have found a lovely safe place to come and play. Blackkat - no need to feel stupid about conservative mgt going wrong - not your fault - was a perfectly sensible decision to make.

A&R - what's a PM? Are you secretly the prime-minister?! I'm watching the SMEPers intently - do you need a control group of non-SMEPers?

Hadrian - hope you have a lovely holiday!

Collie - hope AF finds you soon.

Lily - sorry you're feeling down. Why is it that cats always feel the need to walk all over computer keyboards and hog the screen?

Lili - that sounds like a good plan, to see the doc 8 weeks after ERPC. I would also heartily recommend charting. I started bleeding on Day 26 after my MC, but it wasn't a proper period, and the bleeding accelerated until it got to normal period levels on Day 41 (See here). All sorts of strange things can happen.

Chloe - that sounds like a very intense dream - were you still emotionally involved after you woke up? I sometimes have those. I hope you find out whether you're updiffed before the weekend drinking.

Cep your chart is already looking like it might be more helpful this month. I'd recommend pre-warming your thermometer by shoving it under the duvet next to you for a few minutes before you temp - that has helped me get more consistent temps, I think.

MummyA - so so sorry AF found you... your chart was one of the first things I looked at when we got the internet connection back. And to add some more anecdote to the pile of evidence, I've not had enough periods to comment on post-MC heaviness, but certainly after DD, they became significantly lighter, and stayed that way for several years.

Mouse - booo to the bumps and babies in the shops. Not what you need when you want retail therapy to cheer you up.

Izzy, YRMOTB, Velvet, Knitter and other SMEPers - good luck with the SMEP, and here's hoping for a 100% success rate!

Ah AR i love love love getting stuck into construction projects....been a while since i have done one, and really wish i could build my own house from scratch...half way there now.. the hard bit is done!! Hurry up and get your current contract finished so you can get stuck in :)

AandR oooh house build sounds fun. where are you going or be doing it?

Mama glad scan was ok - I think I was almost as nervous/excited as you waiting to hear

Black SMEP is the Sperm Meets Egg Plan for getting pregnant

Hadrian have a wonderful holiday - sounds like the ideal place to start the SMEP :)

Doing the reading/tutorials on Fertility friend has been interesting - I've discovered two things.... Firstly that I should be weeing on my OPK sticks in the afternoon - never knew that. But the big thing i've discovered is that my magic spreadsheet probably has a mistake in it and has been predicting my ovulation as 3 days too early.... Have corrected the spreadsheet but am also going to not rely on the ss so much and focus more on my bodies signs....

afternoon all. I hope everyone is feeling ok today.

knitter whats your magic spreadsheet?

aandr congratulations on the planning permission. and agai what is pm??

hadrian you're probably well abd truely in the air by now but have a fantastic time.

emoo i'll try if i remember.

mamap thanks, i just discussed it with him, it was against what we previously agreed to do (was supposed to just jump him.) but i can judge what he wants this month to surprise him next month. And well done on the scan.

chloe hope you're feeling better after the dream.

mummya hope it went well yesterday.

Well i started off a brand new pack of cb ov tests this morning only to discover the holder was knackered, so 1 call later to their care number and they're sending me a new box. Should be here next week, which knowing my luck will be too late for testing. grrr.

sorry if i've missed anyone, but hello to you all.

morning ladies, my you have been chatty while I have been asleep!

everyonewhoasked counselling went well thanks, quite heavy, we got stuck straight in to all the big issues, and DH suggested our next session be Monday rather than next Friday - I am pleased last time we went I felt like I was dragging him reluctantly so this enthusiasm to get things fixed is much better. counsellor and I both accused him of not wanting a second baby and he insists he does. (the right answer, but I still need more convincing ) I am going to see my other counsellor this afternoon too. Is there such a thing as too much counselling?

cep I think PM is project manager

AandR well done!! wow, it must be lovely to have something to get all excited about (thats not baby related)

orange and AndR thanks for the lucky dust.

lily the best ever guide to charting is the book by Toni Weschler "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" its a real eye opener, cant believe how much I didnt know about my own body before I read that book. As knitter says the tutorials on FF are also good. If you are going to sign up, use the link on someone elses chart and that way you both get 5 free VIP days. http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm SMEP plan is here (I find that so hard to write that properly without writing SMEG)

hadrian have a safe trip and a wonderful time. xxx

collie I miss your old name and may have to confuse all the new people by continuing to call you Collie.

sorry for not name checking everyone, havent had brekkie or a shower yet! Love to all xxx

P.S. So is anyone else ovulating on Valentine's Day?

MummyA I'm really pleased it went well, and especially pleased that your DH is on board.

I thought PM was pre-menstrual , I think both explanations fit though

Mummya - your counselling session sounds very optimistic. Good to hear that your DH has instigated the next round.

Which ov sticks are you all getting. I know that fertility drugs can often give inaccurate results but I thought I may aswell give the 'SMEG' test my all In fact talking Red Dwarf, if dh or I comment about 'It's cold outside' the other one always break into song with 'no kinda atmosphere, I'm all alone, more or less' and the rest I bet I'm not the only one though.

Thinking of getting a 'proper' test for tomorrow morning - do we vote First Response of ClearBlue Digital. I will be CD29 and my cycle length is a bit unknown.

mummya the counselling sounds really positive, well done to dh too! Good luck for today's session x

aandr congrats on the pp!!! That's fab news, you must be so excited!!!

I have been for acupuncture today so feeling very chilled and zen. Day 13 and both me and acu think I'm approaching ov but so far still low on the cbfm. Next month I'm ditching that too!

Bloody acronyms - as MummyA says pm means project manager. I am a bit of a job hussy and go under any title people want to call me as long as the job involves drinking lots of coffee and organising other people (never seems to extend to me though). We start the build once we find a way to finance it! Hopefully we can put a spade in the ground in the Spring. I am setting up a blog so I can post a link once it is up if anyone is interested!

emoo I am taking anyone not on the SMEP list as the control!

MummyA I am so pleased DH was so onboard - I believe there is never such a thing as too much talking - except when your jaw starts to ache.

chloe i think you probably are the only one.

mummya so pleased it went well, and glad he says he does want another one.

How do you friend someone on ff? and who is the person who friended me??? just out of interest. How does the whole friend thing work on there?

I am a bit worried I am setting myself up for a bit of a fall this month (despite all my zen like attempts at equilibrium. My ov day was yesterday where we got the go ahead and my testing date happens to fall on DMums birthday ... I am such a sucker for dates!