Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all laughing! All welcome! (Part 12)

[KnitterNotTwitter]

A safe place for everyone on the TTC after MC rollercoaster. Welcome and come in - virtual wine and chocolate for all, and lots of support and hand-holding until you get your BFP!

The thread moves fast but don't let that put you off - feel free to come along and stay to chat; or dip in and out with any questions.

If you want to join the stats, just add yourself to the list:

WTTC = waiting to TTC
UCL = usual cycle length

Good luck to all - here's hoping for lots of healthy, sticky BFPs by the end of the thread

For reference here's a link back to the previous thread

Latest stats to follow in a moment!

I will be joining that plan and fllowing everything that mummya put on her list the other day. I never wished for AF to arrive as much as I do now! Thanks Izzy, it really does suck doesn't it. My mum keeps commenting on her friend who was on clomid for 9mths with no joy, decided to give up TTC and now has 3 under 5's - she is in her 40's too and just wasn't expecting to become so fertile! Got to say, it doesn't make me feel any better. Absolutely no disrepect meant to the slightly older ladies TTC it's just that I had a life plan which involved marriage and 2 children before I was 25 with a nice gap of no more than 3 years between my kids, surely that wasn't too much to ask Wouldn't it be lovely if life was that simple. I am trying to (in a diplomatic, not in your face way) trying to explain to friends, most of whom are older than me, not to leave it too long befor they start TTC if they plan on having children. The sad thing is 4 out of the 5 friends currently TTC have fertility problems

A&R - yeah I had key hole surgery for endometriosis before ds, then I fell pg with him. Fell pg after a couple of years which ended in MC after ds. Then went for testing after another unsuccessful year. You know, the usual, lap & dye, sperm count, bloods, ultrasound etc. I then got diagnosed with PCOS so was meant to start Clomid but found out I was pg summer last year which ended in MMC and now started Clomid this month.

cep just read your 'first post' message... am I being daft or are you saying that you think you might be pg?

THURSDAY'S LIST

BrownB TTC#1 cycle 1 (post MC2) UCL 24-26 WTF cycle CD47?
Choccybick TTC#1 (post mc1) cycle 6 UCL 27 CD37
Chloe55 TTC #2, cycle 5 post MC#2 UCLrandom CD27
knitterNotTwitter TTC#2, MC#2, cycle 6 UCL 25-30 CD24
BackOnceAgain TTC#3, Cycle 6 UCL28-32 CD20
Getawiggleon TTC#2, Cycle? UCL28-32 CD19
AandRmum TTC3 cycle 4 UCL29 CD 15
Velvetcu TTC #1 Cycle 6 UCL 30-33, CD14
ZamMummyInGabs TTC#3 cycle 2 postMC#2 UCL26-28, CD13
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 cycle 7 UCL 24-30 CD12
Loola2shu TTC#3 Cycle 6 UCL35-38,CD11
youremindmeofthebabe TTC#2, Cycle 6 UCL33 CD10
Kat2504 ttc#1 cycle 6 ucl28, CD6
Cep TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL24-28 CD6
ochaye TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 31 CD4
MummyAbroad TTC #2, cycle 2 (Post AS Op)) UCL28 CD3

WTTC
Barrenbrook TTC#1, MC#4 Oct 2010
Digitalgirl TTC#2, MC#3 Oct 2010
Hadrian TTC#1, MC#1 Dec 2010, WTF cycle
Mousebacon TTC#2 MC#2
Collie TTC#1 MC#1 Dec 2010

MIA
Sarahmia TTC#2, MC2
Batteryhen MC conf Oct 2010
Nurse47 TTC#2, UCL28, WTF cycle ERPC 9 Nov
Mamafoof TTC#2, MC#1 Nov 2010, WTF cycle

RECENT BFP's
Emoo TTC#2, Cycle 1 (post MC1) UCL 26-30, 30/1/11
DachshundsRule TTC#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD31 BFP 25 Jan 2011
Hairytriangle TTC#1 cycle 1 (post MC2) UCL ?28 BFP Jan 2011
Tigger15 TTC#2 cycle 22 UCL24-9 CD29 BFP 16 Jan 2011
Pinkfondantfancy TTC#1, cycle 5, UCL 28-35 CD29 BFP!!
Lemonsherbert BFP 18 Jan 2011
HongKongBaby#2, cycle 5 (post mc1), UCL 37, CD30 BFP 18 Jan 2011
MamaPower TTC#1, cycle 5 (post MC#2) UCL 25- 27 CD28
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 31
LadyBee TTC#2, cycle 5 (round 3) UCL27 CD27
Owlbooty TTC#1, cycle 5
Nickstermum TTC#2 cycle 2 post MC UCL 30-40
PrettyQuichey TTC#1, (round 7) UCL 28-30
Lovebeingadaddysgirl TTC#? WTC cycle
GetDownYouWillFall TTC#2

RECENT GRADUATES
BUnderthebonnet BFP 20 June
Muser BFP 22 June
northerngoldilocks - BFP 12 July
Magic8ballhastheanswers BFP 14 July
Hopefully BFP 22 July
IvySedai BFP 1 August
PenguinsMummy BFP 15th August
VivClicquot BFP 25 August
Loopymumsy BFP 29 August
CaribouMoo BFP 7 September
StarflowerGirl BFP 24 Sep
Appleblossoms BFP 9 Oct
Littlemiss72
Urbanlolly BFP 1 Nov
Inbetweener BFP 10 Nov

Wondering if BrownB and choccy should be moved to MIA????

And can someone fling some sort of fish at me - did a test today -ve but AF not due 'til Tuesday so it's FAR too early, especially for my internet cheepies....

Assuming there is no change and AF turns up as expected next week (:() I'll join in the SMEP and will be tracking everything on FF too...

Don't forget me I'm up for the SMEP ... Just hope I get a positive with the opk!

Chloe i'm sorry your day has started so rotten. I haven't got any words of comfort as I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have been trying and longing for such a long time. I am driving myself mad as it is. Are you in work today (sorry I can't remember if you work or not with ds) if not maybe you and him could do something nice today, help take your mind off it. I went to the cinema a LOT when I mc. (( hugs)) for you.

I took my temps again this morn as soon as I woke up, but I'd not had 3 hours undisturbed sleep. Slightly higher again but still -i've on opk.

Off to take my epo and pink gf.....

Oh, before I forget though, when I told dh about the gf and supplements he asked 'what can I do'? No idea!! Anyone????

Knitter - hope AF stays away from you, and yes! You are testing too early (coming from the woman who tested on Mon and today! )

Cep - Hmmm, I wouldn't eb ruling it out - can you speak to your gp, maybe get some bloods done?

Collie - I have quit childminding for the time being. Not sure if I ever said on here but one of my minded children took a running head butt at my stomach which took my breath clean away when I was pg at about 9wks, went for a scan and there was a heartbeat but when I went for my 12 wk scan they said I had lost the baby at 9wks Part of me knows I lost my baby not long after the knock. Therefore, I have decided to take a work break to give myself plenty of rest and opportunity to conceive.

I won't be bored today though, have lots of singing practice as I will be singing at my birthday eeeek!! Why do I do it to myself??

collie he can take multi-vits, with Zinc, Vit c, Selenium and Vitamin e. Can't remember anything else good for swimmers.. Anyone else?

chloe what are you doing for your birthday?

aandr I think that 40% is based on her response from people who have tried it. ie not very scientific, and not really taking into account the other people who didn't let her know of any outcome.[sonfused] Basically, it's made up!

collie other things that DP can do... Wear loose briefs/boxers. No very hot baths/showers (cool nuts = good sperm production). No smoking and limited drinking. The vitamins that YRMOTB suggested. Getting sensible amount of sleep so is never 'too tired' to DTD!

Chloe :)

I know that we are all in the same boat in this thread and so i am sure everyone will, or have once, probably felt the same. But i am feeling really pissed off right now. I suppose I?ve channelled my energies into getting pregnant again after my mc as a coping mechanism (which i don't think is actually working) as its the only thing i can think to do. But already I just fell so angry. I could have flung the thermometer across the bedroom this morning as all i could think was "why am i having to do this?" when just 6 bloody weeks ago i was planning how i would change our spare room.

I just feel cheated and robbed. And now desperate to be pg again. We were ttc before i mc but was quite relaxed about it all. Now i feel like i am just obsessing.

And then I read about chole and her day and the other oldies how have been ttc for a long time and I feel dreadfully selfish. I can?t imagine your own frustrations.

Sorry, I really just needed to vent!!!

1. AandRMum
2. Zamster
3. MummyA
4. Izzy
5. YRMOTB
6. Velvet
7. Collie
8. Knitter
9. Chloe55

It feel that way YRMOB - our method will be much more scientific, of course! Izzy has her white coat and pencil in pocket look going so how couldn't it be?!?!

Chloe your request does sound very reasonable but unfortunately we don't seem to be able to order our lives off a menu [its unfair stamp of foot emoticon] - how cool would that be!? Make mine the Build Funky House with DH with a side order of children - heck throw a few extra children on top as well - wouldn't want the house to feel lonely! We go to planning committee tonight so I will be severely hung over tomorrow either due to severe depression or excessive excitement followed by WTF have we done!!!!!

collie adding to the list - keep laptop off his privates. Although going by personal experience and some of the posts on here - men do better with just one request at a time (or else you get accused of nagging even when the advice was asked for!) - so crush his vits into his food, remove any of his tight undies from the drawers, turn down the thermostat so the bath can never get too hot and just ask him to have lots of time snuggling on the couch (so there is no chance for the laptop being put on lap and he rests up for dtd) ...

Sorry a bit hyperactive at the moment.

xpost Collie I know the feeling well. I think we all have periods of obsessing about TTC (who am I kidding - long continuous stretches of TTC obsession) . I had a desperate desire to 'get back on track' and that I deserved to be pregnant as I had it taken from me. With a bit of distance from the event - and the distraction of obsessive sewing there for a bit, house building now and sometimes a little bit of thought going into my work - I am trying to rewrite my life plan and give myself time to get pregnant. It took me anywhere between 4 and 6 months for the last 3 times I have been pregnant and given the level of stress we are under at the moment, there is a good chance fertilised eggs are opting out of implanting until a more zen like womb is offered up. It is little wonder it isn't happening straight away but it will ... as a great man once said 'we will never give up'.

collie try this link

fertility supplements

I would certainly second a zinc tablet (a good one, separate to multi vit tab), a selenium ACE tablet (again separate to multi vit) Zinc and Selenium help to improve the motility, quality and lifespan of the swimmers. Also Fish oil. (essential fatty acids) 3, 6 and 9 this helps to improve the volume of swimmers/mucas.

Other than that... cut down on fags and eat healthy (although my DH had resumed smoking again by the time we conceived much to my and yes keep em cool x

Hope that helps x

Knitter >>< consider yourself slapped (I have always wanted to draw one of those!!!)

Not sure about BrownB but Chokky said she wanted to concentrate of her weight loss so possibly wouldn't mind going into MIA for a while?

AandR You seem to have found a healthier approach. I hope once all my emotions settle down i'll be able to do the same. Your House Build sounds interesting?? Actually we found a potential barn conversion just after i mc. We started to look into it, but hit a bit of a brick wall on a lender and haven't really tried any other avenues since. I did think at the time having something else to concentrate would be healty.

Nickester and AandR thanks for the tips and link. We've got Fish Oil in so will get some Zinc and Selenium ACE. Thankfully neither of us smoke and our diet is fairly healthy...apart from his work trip to the state where he must have gained a stone in 2 weeks!!. Laptop thing is a good point....but i dont get the bath reference...are we supposed to keep them cool??? I like a good bath to get in the mood!!

PS i've changed my nickname as i picked Collie when i first joined during mc and didn't really think about it. Its a bit too close to my real name and nickname and am (overly)paranoid about any lurkers who may spot my ranting. Feel free to call me either on here though.

well done orange whoop whoop

Mummy glad you are moving forward and hoping it all works out well for you both, good luck with the sessions

loving the SMEP list good luck girls, the stat's are working in your favour

at AR slapping kntter was that a whitebait?? Here, have this haddock, the thwack is better <

morning!

I vote we move Chocky to WTTC, she did say she was going to focus more on weight loss than TTC but I know she will be back at some point. Havent heard anything from BrownB in a long time so perhaps MIA is a good idea. DigitalGirl has announced her BFP on the recurrant buns thread, so perhaps we should move her too. (Congrats again digi!)

Love the SMEP experiment!

Zam sorry for encouraging you to buy up the whole pharmacy - hope it does the trick!

I am feeling very glum about my period, I have had 1 day medium, 2 days light, thats much less compared to pre AS when it was at least 5 days long and included a couple of days of heavy flow. Panic Panic Panic and then breeeeeeeath.

its not that early to test (in my books anyway )

wannabe I quite like your old name, I thought of you as a smiley border collie!

Mummy if it's any comfort my af was the same for years; medium flow accompanied by 3 days of agony, post mc it went to two days of the heaviest flow in the world followed by a dribble for a couple of days... I wouldn't read too much in to it chick, chin up

knitter i doubt it, i'm still getting -ve's (last test tuesday) it was just a really odd af, no where near as heavy as "normal" and had loads of light spotting for a few days afterwards as well as the day of brown spotting before (not normal). have decided to test one last time on either sun or mon next week i only tested +ve last time 4 days after my af had been due to start. My 28 days is today so if i leave it till sun or mon (probably mon so no dss) however i suspect it'll be -ve and was just a weird af.

chloe i'm sorry you're feeling so low.

dw i'll call you dw as it reminds me of the little sister in arthur cartoons. I'm sorry you're having such a down day as well.

I'm not sure what words of comfort i can say apart from, it's natural (which doesn't help) and that you will come out the other side. hugs to you both.

mummya i don't want to pass my insanity on to you but could it be decidual bleeding? did you have the usual clots and stuff?

My preseed has arrived, it's not pre loaded so i can choose as much or little to use. i've also got my cb ov tests. need to take my p/apple and pom juice.

hello to everyone, hope you're all ok.

cep I misread that as porn juice and wondered what bizarre kind of conversation I'd walked into

aandr ooh best of luck with the planning - how exciting!!

mummya I don't think my periods are as heavy as they were pre-mc either, I just put it down to my body changing a bit. Just try to remember periods = fertile = eventual baybee

(((hugs))) to those feeling low, waves to everyone else x

Mine are much heavier post mc. they were 3-4days of med/light flow, and the first 3 after mc were very heavy, lasting 7 days+

The AC has sorted that now though, 5 days on med/light flow.

err thanks guys but hearing about heavier periods post mc isnt making me feel any better. (sorry I know you are all just trying to help)

I am worried because many ladies who get treated for AS have a normal period after the operation (as I did) but then their periods get lighter and lighter again because the scar tissue grows back. Eventually they have to have another op. I cant really afford to spend another £6000 getting treated so I was just really hoping and praying I would be one of the lucky ones who only needs one op and then everything is fine. But now I am feeling really glum because the last two periods have been lighter each time. My doctor in London has told me to come back and see him if I am not pregnant within three months (and 1st month = strike one) but I dont think I will be able to afford to do that, so I am just panicking instead. If I get pregnant very soon there is a good chance that any filmy new scar tissue forming wont be able to take hold as the uterus grows and stretches, but if I dont I will be pretty much back to square one (only poorer)

cep I dont get clots, I dont get much of anything, I didnt have periods for 8 months after my mc. what is decidual bleeding by the way?

sorry to be all doom and gloom today. Bring on the counselling! I need it!

Oh, sorry mummya. I guess I was trying to indicate I was pg twice before with v light periods, but am really not helping am I? I'll shut up now. Sorry. And good luck with the counselling, today? X

MummyA I'm sorry ((Hugs))... not that they make any bloody difference

Your not having access to good health care sounds like a nightmare. Whats AS? I wish i could reassure you. I am sure it won't stop you worrying but you don't know for sure that your lighter periods are what you fear. I think the aim of pointing out their heavier periods was that they changed, they didn't stay they same as before...that could just be the same for you..... i hope so.

Its a gloomy day for a lot of us today. I hope your counselling session brings you a little bit of relief though. xx

No no mummya mine are definitely not as heavy post mc - does that make you feel slightly better?

I know yours is a different situation and you won't stop worrying but there you, you're definitely not the only one with lighter post-mc periods. Mine used to be 5 days heavy - moderate, now 2 days moderate then 2 days light - spotting, but noticeably (to me) lighter.

Fx you get your bfp this cycle and can breathe a huge sigh of relief x

Hi,

and sorry if I sound snappy - I do appreciate everybody's support!

wannabe AS is Ashermans Syndrome. http://21stcenturymummy.com/2010/07/07/ashermans-syndrome-interview-with-specialist-mr-adrian-lower/ video link Its when you get scar tissue growing on the uterus walls or in the cervix usually caused by ERPC, c-sections, traumatic birth or infection. Scar tissue is quite hard to get rid of once established, it tends to just grow right back. I had an operation to remove it and then 6 weeks of high dose estrogen to help the lining grow rapidly before scar tissue can form, also an HSG afterwards to "flush out" any new forming filmy scars. Lots of ladies in the UK dont have access to good health care for this syndrome either. The best AS doctors are in the states and germany. There are only two in the UK (one private, one NHS) but they use slightly different (not as good?) protocols. I chose to get treated in England because it meant being with family which seemed easier at the time, but often suspect I might have been better off going to the USA. The vast majority of women with AS have to travel very far to get treatment, those that dont and have surgery locally nearly always end up with more scar tissue than they started with and then need repeat surgeries (by an expert). I am part of an international group of AS sufferers/Doctors and I read their stories everyday.

At the moment I cant really do anything except wait... and maybe moan a lot to you guys