Feck off with your babydust - The hut of gl/doom, home of inadequate reproduction

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ok, so the hut disappeared so I decided to open a new one. tis a 20's style gin joint!

pink we'd have to pay for private IVF regardless, as we already have a child. It really sucks, but I do understand that priority should be given to those that don't have any children. We're paying for a private consultation to jump the waiting list basically, because we just can't wait 12 months to get some answers. I think it's about £160 to be seen privately for an initial consultation. Believe me it's not like we've got money to burn! I'm just so desperate to know what to do next. Let us know if those vitamins make a difference- I've got my DH on them!

I understand, we wouldn't be eligible for any treatment either as we already have a child together so basically our only hope is that DH's sperm improves or that the last sample was a rogue result.

Beginning to feel despondent though as we've been at it so long with no joy, but as the consultant said, nothing's changed with DH's health since we conceived DS and he may have had the same motility result previously, and 'it only takes 1' etc etc...

Of course pink, I forgot you already had a child. What was his motility do you know? There are some success stories out there on the web about improving things.

He had about 27% motile, but about 12% of those were non-progressive so they won't be much cop.

You've actually got me thinking and if DH's results haven't improved, and depending on my results and what the consultant has to say, we might look into ICSI. I just don't think I can give up on having another baby without doing everything we can. It would mean getting a loan and of course there's no guarantee it would be successful, but if we're told at our next consultation that we're unlikely to conceive naturally I would seriously start persuading DH that assisted conception would be our next step. Haven't really considered that seriously before, but by June we will have been trying for 18 months so if we haven't been lucky by then we would have to decide on our next plan of action I think.

That's better than my DH at least That's why I want to see the consultant sooner rather than later, if she says it'll never happen again naturally, then I've got my answer. We'd have to take out a loan too, or sometimes I think they let you pay it off over a year or something interest free. Either way, I can't carry on knowing the chances are virtually nil. I feel so much better doing something proactive.

evening, how is everyone?
I need to read through and have a catch up. No news from here, af due thurs, haven't tested and won't do till friday if its late. I really don't like feeling like i'm in limbo.
Got to go to the dentist tomorrow and i reckon she'll tell me I need a filling, something was feeling very tender whilst brushing my teeth this morning! Am just trying to tke my mind off things at the mo.

Ellangirl you sound more positive about things, hope you and pink both get somewhere without having to spend £6k each.

Hello to everyone else too, hope people aren't feeling too down. Tomorrow is supposed to be sunny here and i shall follow the weathers lead. I may even shave my armpits and legs in case they see some daylight.

right, off to catch up x

well i'm a fucking twat. i knew i shouldn't bother to test but i did and it was negative. so now i'm sat here feeling like i'm about to burst into tears. i'm pissed off at myself for wasting a test, it being negative, and feeling hormonal as obviously af will arrive tomorrow.
why is it so much harder some months?

Oh ninja, we know how you feel! Hugs and gin xx

thanks ellangirl doesn't help that i've just been told i need to go back to the dentist next week for a filling too. I need some comfort food but there's none in the house. Bugger. It's really not my day today!

How are you? Hope you've got some lively sunshine where you are?

Oh how crap, go and get yourself something nice to treat yourself, and a big bottle of wine for tonight. It's such a f*ing nightmare this whole awful TTC thing

Well I'm 7dpo now and have been having definite internal rumblings and back ache - not sure whether these are positive signs or not...? Only time will tell......

I'm very confused, went on.holiday as you know. Crap at taking temp on hol and affected by alcohol! Now ff suggesting still not ovulated (would expect to be 7dpo!). Must assume am v late due to holiday affecting/delaying things.
Ignoring whisper that suggests all the nookie in holiday could have upduffed me. Fanned my friend saying she got pg the day after af left!
On the other hand am decorating bedroom following rewire. Very satisfying.
Hugs to Lissielou.
Did af arrive ninja? How you feeling?

hello, yes af arrived bang on time this morning as soon as i woke up. Feeling much more positive today though.
Good luck Bex and pink I shall be thinking of you this coming week. Let us know how it goes!

I'm going back to the docs next week to get referred to the sub-fertility clinic. Does anyone know what they are likely to test for once the referral comes through? So far the gp has tested progesterone, prolactin, thyroid, FSH, LH and something else that i can't remember.

Ah hugs to you ninja. That's rubbish. Not sure what else they'll test...might refer you for lap & dye to see if anything physical is interfering?

ninja make sure you find out how long the waiting list is! Phone up the consultants secretary if you want to know.
Was it oestradiol (sp?) they checked for? I'm sure Zita will tell you what they will check for next, but tubal blockages would seem to be an obvious one. I read somewhere it was a more common cause of secondary infertility than primary.

Feeling a bit random today so feel open enough to ask. Anyone else find during tww both boobs tender but one seems to grow while the other seems normal?! Obviously they're naturally slightly different sizes (like eyebrows, they are sisters, not twins) but this seems particularly strange...or is it just me?!

not me i'm afraid, but i don't really get sore boobs anyway. not even when af is due.
what i do have is the itchiest bottom known to mankind and i can't really show it to a gp till af has finished. it is driving me up the wall! Anusol works for so long but bloody hell! not sure if its piles or what but i really wish it would stop.

sorry that's prob far tmi!i really hope when i go on weds she knows what it is and can prescribe me something.

hopefully someone else will be along with more boob info for you shortly?

ha ha! nice conversations! Only get mildly tender boobs normally, bex, and don't thing there's a diff between the two. ninja are you sure you don't have worms? Not nice but quite common around young children!

ellangirl it could be anything! I did think upon inspection (again way too much info, don't eat whilst reading) that a couple of the, er, puckers looked rather red and swollen, am not ruling anything out, just have to put up with it till wednesday more's the pity! i was wondering if it might be bacterial infection? Maybe its a random unknown illness and i will magically become pregnant once it has cleared up? that would be nice

Bex my boobs don't change size during AF, although they sometimes get a bit sore prior to its arrival, but both the same I think

Ninja Hope you see a helpful doc who gets you sorted on Wed, sounds awful.

Well I'm having my usual pre-AF spotting - Bollocks!! That means I haven't escaped the 'dye in tubes' procedure which I have to book in for on first day of AF; I'll still have to badger DH into getting his follow-up sperm sample done; I'll have to look pleased next weekend when my sister announces her 2nd pregnancy at a family gathering; and I have to continue with this never-ending bollocks which is TTC!!!

Arse

morning! how are you all today. I've been to GP. I have some kind of dermatitis on my bum which has caused the swollen bits. So i have got a cream on prescription, been told to wash with aqueous cream and do whatever else i can to minimize contact with anything that might irritate it. So need to buy new washing liquid and source some unbleached sanitary towels (it got loads worse when I had af). I had dermatitis on my hands about 18 months ago and it was awful, I'll never touch a tomato plant again without gloves!
I didn't get my referral, but me and dp have a joint appointment with gp in two weeks to go over exactly what will happen if we get referred to make sure we are happy with it. She implied that there was a 3-4 month waiting list and once you are referred they are very much going down the route of assisted conception.
Anyone else got any news? Sorry mine was a bit icky!

Af arrived thus morning. V heavy. Am in agony. Nuff said!
Glad you've got a diagnosis ninja. Have you considered a moon cup? Can sterilise it by boiling it, only 20 quid and lasts for years. Good for environment too. Got mine from.boots.

Hi all,
Sorry bex, how shitty for you. ninja glad you're getting your itchy bum sorted! I have had some sort of folliculitis/dermatitis on my inner thighs in the past, made tons worse by sanitary pads. The cream the doctor gave me worked a treat- some kind of antibiotic steroid thing.
I'm 10dpo and can't say I've really been thinking about it (backed up by the amount I've been drinking- ha!). I'm just accepting that I won't be pregnant naturally now! Got appointment with consultant through for 13th April, so just holding out til then to find some answers. DH dropped off another SA this morning so we have the results through for the appointment. They're a bit close together to show much difference but at least we have two then to back up our situation.
Sun is shining- off out for a walk- lovely!

ninja - oooooh have been reading about your dermatitis and admire your bravery in going to dr & getting it sorted - had piles after giving birth - was like shitting razors for ages & eventually plucked up the courage to show my dr - got cream etc which eased the agony - felt really dumb to be so embarassed by it all!
ellan am 11 dpo - going through the usual mind games of imaginary pg symptoms versus telling myself I'm not PG. Refuse to do any more tests - hate seeing 'not pregnant' so will just wait for inevitable AF & drown my sorrows in alcohol.
Went to see a counsellor today - my boss would only let me stay doing an office job instead of going back to 24/7 shift work if I did.... Was as upsetting as I thought - cried through pretty much all of it & still feel crap - maybe it'll help after a few more sessions!! But it certainly didn't today.

Ninja- goo on you for getting help.

Ellen - I am with you. Am on wagon after Easter as given up on natural route (think I mentioned dh having check on tubes Identified an issue there at his medical which tallied with his erratic sperm count).

Pooch- I have been therapy for 4 years and hateful/crying base tho it is it is a life saver as only place outside this type of thread I can vent.

Talking of which am afraid I took the bait and waded in on a I wish o was having a girl aibu thread...

Hello to anyone lurking (hairy lissie any anyone else).