Feck off with your babydust - The hut of gl/doom, home of inadequate reproduction

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ok, so the hut disappeared so I decided to open a new one. tis a 20's style gin joint!

Welcome Queenrollo nice to meet you.
Ninja you have to stay positive using words like 'it could be'. Not to get your hopes up too much is wise of course (I recall in July I sobbed when af came I was so convinced- talk about demented I spoke to phantom baby! Had 'morning sickness' and everything.) However, you really never know!
Ellangirl that's rubbish. What have the docs said? Is there chances if improving things through diet, cold showers etc?

Doc didn't say much, apart from take vitamins etc which DH already does. He doesn't smoke, maybe marginally overweight but not really, doesn't drink excessively. Obviously we did once conceive, and we have no way of knowing what the count etc was then. But, 0% are fast moving, 85% not moving at all, so regardless of the count, the chances are so miniscule. We have been referred, but it's a few more months of waiting to see anyone...

been to the GP this morning. I'm not sure what to think.
he said 'i don't need to see you just yet' (to me) 'it's often a problem with the man' (so of course DH who is already worried this is the case came home and was a bit upset).
So he's referring DH to get a sperm analysis first, then if that yields good results he will refer me.

I suppose in one way this is good, no point putting me through a load of tests if we first need to address a male fertility problem, but what if there is also a problem with me?
It should be quick to get DH through the system, so hopefully we're going to get some answers soon.

DH just got off the phone to the GP. he has to go in on Monday to pick up 'the kit'

I did get upset this morning and told DH I feel bad for effect this is having on him and I almost wish we'd never started the whole TTC thing

Then we got lighthearted and said 'we'll get another dog if we can't have a baby' 'or a cat' - i replied and said 'several cats!' (he's not a cat person)

I know this has the potential to get tough for us, and that we'll need to be strong to see each other through any problems that may crop up.

Hi queenrollo, I think it's quite usual to do a day 21 blood test for women quite early on, just to check that you're ovulating. Any other tests on women tend to be done by fertility specialist not GP. My DH is struggling a bit with our recent diagnosis, as now he has confirmation that it's 'his fault'. I now have to be very supportive and not show how upset I am, because he's hurting. I think it's a huge thing for a man to go through this test!
By the way, the pot they give the man is huge- made me snigger!

Right I need to vent, can't believe how quickly your Dh can get checked out! My Dh had referral made in Jan, appt to provide sample and have appt to go through questionnaire was last week. His work booked a meeting for him he couldn't miss so the next appt is JUNE! Grrr.
You should push to get your bloods done, he needs to check your thyroid, fsh and lh levels. As ellangirl said he needs to check your progesterone ideally for 3 months to check you're ovulating. Gi back and tell him he's an idiot and he needs to sort it out!

hi queenrollo I would push for the day 21 and day 1-5 tests as it is basically a simple blood test for each one. I had mine done at the same time as dp did his sample. It really shouldn't be more than him filling out a piece of paper and you getting appointments with the phlebotomist. Your gp doesn't sound very helpful to me. How old are you both if you don't mind me asking?

bex I think it just works differently in different authorities. Here a SA is just ordered by your GP and you drop off the sample at the hospital for analysis, but the referral to fertility consultant is separate and takes 3-4 months at the moment apparently. Sorry you're frustrated at your situation -it does seem silly it takes that long just for a SA.
ninja any news with you?

nah just waiting and promising myself i won't test early. I can't tonight and tomorrow night as staying with my folks while dp strips our bedroom ceiling wallpaper and strips the paint off the windowsill in our bedroom. Lucky me gets to spend 2 nights sleeping next to ds instead. At least he doesn't snore as badly as dp!
How are you dealing with yesterdays news today? Are you guys feeling more rational/ in charge about things? Have you found out any more info?

ninja - i'm 35, DH 45.

I've reproduced. He hasn't. The GP seemed to take this into consideration when deciding to do DH first.

This is probably relevant. I have discussed my cycle with this GP before. He knows I was irregular, he knows i had herbal treatment to become regular. I was having severe hormonal migraine in the early days (after coming off the pill), and discussion with both him and my medical herbalist (fertility is a speciality for her) pointed to a massive progesterone imbalance in my body in the six months I was having very long cycles (up to 48 days). Since regulating my cycle i've not had one migraine. I have a 16 day luteal phase, last six months this has not wavered. I do feel 'mittelschmertz' but only ever on the left side. I felt it when i conceived DS, after 8 months of trying for him it was the first time I felt it and bingo! i got pregnant.

bex sorry you're having to wait so long. I know our PCT are quite quick with the male side of things as my friend went through the same. It was longer for her though (she had lap and dye?).

Can we go private? We do have private medical insurance through DH's work, but reluctant to use unless for something really worthwhile if you see what I mean?

Evening all, how is everyone? I'm feeling a bit up and down today. Really sad that it looks like we can't have another child naturally, and boy does IVF cost a lot, esp as it would prob be with ICSI. So that means a while of saving up etc, and waiting longer to have even a chance at another child. Wish I was rich .

Ellan - probably no help but a friend of mine had all her fertility treatment incl IVF, scans & birth on her healthcare - she's got a really good job though & probably had the top-of-the-range package but even so I was surprised any healthcare provider included stuff like this. Am watching the rugby and shouting 'Vive La France' much to my Welsh husband's disgust! Saw 2 of my NCT friends today,16 and 17 weeks PG -was really hard, left and shed a few tears on way home. Now finishing rest of bottle of wine i started last night to drown my sorrows.

Thanks pooch. Don't think many private health insurance policies would cover this, esp if I tried to take out a policy now right before wanting treatment! Shame we don't have anything like that in place already. I would also support France over Wales any time . Enjoy your - just tell yourself it's medicinal!

just marking my spot, will be back later to catch up properly x

hey lissie where ya been?

hi broccoli, after my last mc I was too despondant for even the hut. I was frustrated and upset and felt pretty useless. i know that people dont want to hear my story, they want to be told that it will be ok in the end iykwim, so i thought it was best that i stay away from conception for a while.

how are you all?

aaww lissie i hear you....

Hello everyone,

I'm due to go and give a day 21 blood sample this afternoon (although actually it's day 23 as day 21 was Saturday). It doesn't matter though as my cycles are slightly longer than average and according to my CBFM I ovulated last Thursday. Will the test today be too early to check for ovulation only 4 days after the event? Although I had told the consultant that my cycles vary in length from 28-35 days so he also ordered day 26 blood tests too, so will be going along again on Thursday which will be 7 days after ovulation which should be exactly right for the test. I can think of better ways to spend my time though

I'm not feeling too loopy yet in this 2ww but I know it's only a matter of time and I usually work myself up into a mental frenzy by the time AF is actually due. Really hoping we've been lucky this month (but beginning to doubt it will ever be our month).

How is everyone else?

Don't bother going until 7 days after you ovulated pink, the test is supposed to be done 6-8 days before af arrives. Hope that helps!

I fell off the wagon big time on Saturday (bil's 40th birthday). Only.consolation is that I didn't drink Friday AND Saturday. I agree if you know when you ovulate go a week after. I was unnecessarily stressed with inaccurate blood results from going on.the wrong day (I didn't Chart at the time).

Hello all ESP lissie - another month in hut as af here. I think I might move in...Ellen been meaning to post dh had bad results too . Is now having veins checked (ruled out infection etc)- but counts can go up and down a lot apparently (prob explains fact between me and dh ex have been 8 pregnancies and 4 children although I passed away so not entirely duff). Hello to everyone else- off wagon over weekend -'am climbing on at Easter as will make serious efforts for few months.. Tho do wonder what fucjing point is [pours herself large gin]

DH collected his 'kit' from the GP yesterday. He can only make an appt to drop off sample on two weekday mornings, so this is going to mean co-ordinating time off work.
He's nervous, really worrying about what the results are going to be.
I just want to know, i'm sick of wondering why it's not working. I need to have some control over this so I can stop sending myself crazy every month.

bex to make you feel better about my DH getting seen so quickly - I have just phoned to make him an appt and the earliest one free is the end of April. She said there was no point trying for the other clinics as she checked and they are booked up until the end of June. This appt was only free as they had a cancellation of it just before I phoned [lucky emoticon]
I've put him on the cancellation list just in case something comes up sooner than he can fit into his diary, but his work is very busy and short notice cancellation of meetings not really possible so it looks like we'll have to go with what we have.

Morning all. So, lots of thinking about what to do now following such awful news about DH's swimmers (or non-swimmers as it happens). My friend and SIL have both been through IVF/ICSI, so have given lots of advice, and realistically that is our best option for having another child. The waiting list to see fertility consultant here is apparently 12 months I've been told by the secretary there, so have requested private consultation and should prob be seen some time in April. Thinking of ways to save up for treatment- about £6000-eeek!! In the meantime, if a miracle happens and I get pregnant great, but I need to focus on something to keep me going.
ninja you ok?
queenrollo I know how you're feeling! Fingers crossed for good news for you and your DH.
hardandsleazy sorry you're having such a run of bad news. I know counts can go up and down. 0% motility is pretty awful though! Even if it goes up a bit it still only gives us such a small chance. Don't blame you for falling off the wagon- it does seem so futile sometimes! Ditto bex :o
lissie welcome back- it's so much safer not to look at other (stupid) conception threads- just stay here...

Thanks for the advice - AF due around next Monday so yesterday's blood sample might be valid but am doing 2nd one on Thursday which should have things covered. He also ordered the same for next month too, so hopefully between the 4 samples they should be able to tell us something.

Ellangirl my DH had a poor sample, with low motility. He's having a 2nd one done next month (3 months after the 1st one) so will see whether all the vitamins etc etc have made any difference (fingers crossed). I'd love to go private and definitely would if we could afford it but there's just no way at the moment. Depressing.