Charter's Anonymous: Volume 4, hoping our bodies obey the rules!

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Brand new shiny thread created (sorry Getdown, I am bored at work )

Hoping that all of us still waiting get the news we want and soon!!

At least it's almost New Year, new start

raven I suspect ff is right. Not sure exactly how they work out coverline but your chart looks like classic 'fallback' rise. Others will know more about importance of coverline and pre oc temps though. Your temp rise is good though!

terrys stick with it, in the WTF cycle after an mc your body gives out mixed messages...so you think you may be ov and you might actually not be... anything is possible. Seems like your body is trying to ov, but hasnt yet succeeded.

raven i think you did ov later on. you can sometimes Ov a day or two or sometimes a touch more after your opk+ I would be inclined so say later, cd18 ... and go with the temp hike?

And so sorry battery about ov. It may happen and temps shoot up tomorrow. Stressing about it can delay it, which probably doesn't help I know! My ov date can vary by 10 days so I never know when it'll be.
Hope your temp shoots up tomorrow.

Its so frustrating!!! I really really really really REALLY want to get my body back on track, it was so simple before (27/28 day cycle, OV day 15/16) and now I am angry that the MC has not only taken away a pregnancy but has screwed up my chances for a while. Sorry guys, I am feeling a bit fed up today, it doesn't help that its Monday and I don't want to be at work and I don't have a period of maternity leave to look forward to either.

Anyway, sorry for me me me...

raven I would wait a few more days and see if it re-jigs itself, the +ve OPK would suggest you OV-ed after CD16 ut as MrsA says it could be a fallback rise. What was your CM like on those days, I think FF is choosing CD16 as you had creamy for CD17 and then nothing in CD18, if you changed CD18 to watery or EWCM I think it would change the day.

battery the swimmers do stick around for a few days (just ask spilt!) - try not to stress, easier said than done I know!

Terrys I know how frustrating it is the cycle after MC. Have you had a look at pregnancyloss.info?

Lots of really really useful info.

I remember reading on there about not bothering to TTC in the WTF cycle because it is notoriously unreliable. Of course I ignored it, but didn't get preg despite lots of well timed SWI. It made me even more depressed.

But strangely I had an even heavier period after that first cycle and now have conceived, so wonder if my body needed that first cycle to sort itself out?

I know it's frustrating but your body WILL get back on track.

Hello all - just a quick post as I'm at work....sssshhhh!!!

Raven - my chart did summat similar this month, it originally showed that I ov'd on CD16 but then after a few more days it adjusted it to CD19 which is the time I normally ov. Looked like my temps did a dip then a rise then another dip and another rise! I had no idea what was going on so just carred on SWI

However - today I am mucho confused - temp has dipped to below the coverline (think I am 5 or 6 DPO). Is this bad?! The only difference this morning was that I took the temp 30 mins earlier than normal but I've done this throughout this cycle and the one before and it hasn't affected anything.....do I just keep everything crossed for a rise tomorrow?

Terrys - so sorry to hear you're having a rough time. It's frustrating enough trying to figure it all out without having a MC to throw everything (physically and mentally) out of whack

Hi to terrys tory folicacid spilt MrsP MrsA LadyGG Izzy Iwish jaggythistle Mrsa and everyone that I have missed!

Big hugs to those who are feeling low and frustrated.

Can I ask what is the grapefruit juice and evening prim oil for?

Also do temps dip before you ov or just go up after?

franjam a dip post ov can be an implantation dip (which is good) or sometimes it's just a one off. As long as it goes back up soon, I wouldn'trainee worry.

And grapefruit juice is supposed to increase EWCM. Eve prim oil supposed to help with LP and implantation (I believe)

Sorry about weird post (trainee etc) am on blackberry which has stupid autotext!

Big (((hugs))) to battery - those swimmers can last a while, and in some ways its better to have them in place ready iykwim, so hopefully you've done enough this month x

Also to terrys it's so frustrating after mc when you have no idea what's going on with your body and when it'll settle down...fx it'll just take this cycle to get back to normal (and in the meantime you just never know - I would keep on with the swi if you're up to it just in case you hit the right time).

ravenlocks have to admit I'm in two minds about your chart - I'm just not sure! Anyway it looks like you had both possibilities covered so I guess it's just a case of wait and see..

Here's my chart today: day 7 of cbfm highs but another dip so hopefully tomorrow I'll get a peak and a temp rise.

I know I've missed out loads of people there; will catch up properly later

Thanks MrsA, Nix, Terrys and Izzy for your feedback on my chart. You can see why I am confused, can't you?? It seems to be dividing opinion! I think my lesson is chart more, I didn't check CM on the days it is blank, so could have been anything. Although I also had a confusing OPK on CD17, not as +ve as CD16, a faint line with the slightest of slightest slithers of a darker shade at one edge of the line. I recorded this as positive on my chart. And on CD18 I had a very negative OPK, almost invisible line. Even with a +ve OPK on CD17, FF put the cross hairs on CD16. I took away the positive OPK from the chart (coz it could as easily have been -ve) and it made no difference.

I will wait and see like you all suggest. It doesn't actually matter atall as I kept on SWIing right up to CD19. I guess it will just get a bit confusing near the end of the cycle and I will be difficult to interpret my temps and decide when to test! All will become clear when AF arrives (although I am soooooo hoping she stays away and I get a BFP instead!)

Franjam I have started taking Evening Primrose Oil, it is supposed to increase the EWCM at the fertile time. I stop taking it from ov to CD1 as I don't think you are meant to take it when pg so I optimistically avoid it during 2WW.

Sorry meant to say ta to you franjam as well for your insight. Do you mind sharing your chart for the cycle you said FF behaved similar for you? Would be keen to have a peek.

Hey Izzy what does the CBFM check for? I thought it was a posh OPK. Assume it isn't LH hormone for you to get 7 days in a row!

Evening all!

raven I think the CBFM checks both oestrogen and LH - oestrogen increases through the follicular phase until it triggers the quick LH surge and then you ov. So when CBFMs show medium and high fertility I think they are showing the high oestrogen levels and then the peak fertility will be when the LH surge happens. Izzy is that right?
With your chart I agree (at the moment!) with FF. Your fertile CM stops on CD15 which is a big indicator that you would ov CD16. A + OPK indicates ovulation within the next 36 hours, it can be that day. When I conceived in May I got my only +OPK on the day of ovulation, and I see that's what you got on your 4th Aug cycle.

Battery you haven't ov'd yet. But those swimmers can have a long life. GetDown's DD is the result of 6 day old swimmers and my bean the result of 4-5 day old ones so don't give up hope yet!

terrys hugs to you. I'm sorry it's all so confusing and disheartening and generally crappy for you just now. You've just been through something horrible and I know how desperately I wanted to be able to control my body again after it went mad and lost my baby. Really hope it happens soon for you egg wise and baby wise x

weimy the juice and EPO is to increase the amount of EWCM.

How are you feeling GetDown?

I'm starting to feel a like I've broken the back of this pregnancy sickness now. It's getting easier to manage as I get more and more familiar with when it crops up and what foods are acceptable! Last time the sickness got markedly easier from 9-10 weeks (when placenta takes over) so I'm getting there. Hope it's the same this time. Also occurred to me today that I am past the ectopic stage so can stop panicking about that.

Waves to everyone else

raven I think it is a posh opk really. It's ages since I looked at the booklet but from memory the "high" reading (two bars on screen) indicates the oestrogen build up the precedes the lh surge; the "peak" reading (3 bars and an egg) indicates the lh surge. So the peak reading would correspond to a + on a normal opk.

The first couple of cycles you tend to get a lot of highs and often no peaks while it learns to read your cycle. Then, when it gets to know you, the theory is it gives you 2-5 days warning with the high reading before the lh surge, which mine has been doing. But this cycle for some reason it's given me 7 days. So far!!

Right I have a charting query for all you experts out there: if you swi after you go to bed do you record it as PM or as AM the next day? I was recording it as PM but then read (on ff or in tcoyf - can't remember which) that you're better to record it as AM the next day because it's closer to that temp reading than the previous morning iykwim. That's definitely the case for us because we often don't go to bed until nearly midnight and then I'm temping for the next day 5 or 6 hours later. It did cross my mind that maybe putting it as PM was giving me a false picture of whether I was close enough to hitting the fertile days, so I've switched to AM for this cycle - just wondered what the rest of you did?

Hi all

Terrys and battery, sorry you've both been feeling crappy today.

raven, I am also not sure what to think about your chart. I think that the CM might be confusing it so I'm going to go with CD18.

My chart isn't giving anything away yet, argh! I'm doing my own head in continuously wondering am I or aren't I? Tomorrows temp may help.

Ooh Izzy I'd never thought about that. When I put PM I meant evening/nighttime swi. In fairness we are early bed people so PM was only ever about 9pm, but you make an interesting point.

Thats a good question izzy. Our bedtime is usually 11ish but I've always recorded it as PM. I see what you mean though.

Thanks spilt and MrsP!

I record after bedtime SWI as PM, but also read on FF that they suggest it is actually put as AM the next day. They also say it doesn't really matter as long as you are consistent in the way you record. Wonder what PM SWI is then - middle of afternoon?? Not a time we tend to do it!!

hello all. just trying to settle DS for his bed.
feeling left out to have joined the thread at such a boring point in my cycle. cd5 woo!

hoping for a better go this time round. last two cycles SWI has been disrupted (sometimes literally! ) by poor DS waking up teething. also last time (look away for tmi) i got thrush for the first time in years and years just before ov. so didn't feel that good and i imagine it was a bit inhospitable for swimmers.

my libido is somewhat pants at the best of times so fingers crossed for a relaxing few weeks, with more sleep.

well done if you are still awake after that rambling!

i always record bedtime swi as pm too.

I am a PM-er too, strictly follow the 12-12 rules! (before 12pm is am and after 12pm is pm. Makes things far less confusing!!

CM gone from creamy to egg-whitey in the space of a day, WTF cycle indeed!!

jaggy we're glad you're here now so we can get to know you and your chart a bit, then we will all have a vested interest in hoping for your BFP!!

As a quick experiment, I removed all the CM data from my cycle and FF still says CD16 for Ov. Am more inclined to believe it now, but will keep an open mind as I record (hopefully!) a few more high temps over the next couple of days.

Hello all

Hugs Terrys hope you start to feel a bit brighter soon.

Glad the sickness is getting easier spilt

Raven After careful consideration I am also going to go with cd16 for ov.

And in other news here, I have bought my EPO for next cycle (no af yet, but am 100% sure its a no)and the Tory method of recording time of SWI is AM = anytime before evening, PM = anytime from evening until I go to sleep. So, highly technical then!

Plus, I have a crazy chart this month, seriously, my body just cant seem to make up its mind..... all over the place!

Hello to everyone else!!

Hi all!

Oooo tory and MrsP are both on 10DPO! Good luck ladies!!

I think I need to stop temping Temp took a slight dip today and I felt a bit panicky. MUST. STOP. TEMPING. Arrrgh. It's hard though. Is it good to have pre-warning of a possible MC or is it best to be blissfully ignorant?

Am really hoping this one sticks. I read that chances of MC after implantation complete are 10% and chances of having two in a row are slim. Hope so.

Thanks spilt for asking after me Glad to hear you are beating the nausea now. Felt a little green today but taken your advice to sip orange juice and keep the blood sugars up which seems to be helping. It's worse at night. Struggled last night to sleep as felt really hungry, weird and restless despite being exhausted.

raven looks like a classic fallback rise to me. I've got this a few times too. I read in TCOYF that this is normal and has no impact on fertility or conception chances

Well my temperature has gone back up. It's starting to look like the foothills of the Andes now!

So what do we reckon ladies, higher or lower tomorrow (think I might be channeling Bruce Forsyth!)

Auntie Doris x