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Whisky-drinking Silk-cut smoking foul-mouthed 30-something hitherto unsuccessful TTCer seeks like-minded companions. Babydusters need not apply.

1001 replies

BlooferLady · 01/12/2010 14:05

Now then you lot. I've got a 40 pack of menthol fags from my mate that just got back from Croatia, a slightly dusty bottle of Bison Grass vodka I'm not sure what to do with, and a carrier bag full of cheap eBay pregnancy tests.

Obviously it's a bit lonely in here at the moment so I'd be glad to see anyone, but please be assured that given I've been pissing on my own fingers trying to aim it onto the bloody eBay tests for a year now to no avail, those in the first month of trying for their fourth child might be met with a) a stony stare followed by b) convulsive bouts of weeping Grin.

Disclaimer: you don't actually need to be a smoker. I'm not some kind of maniac.

OP posts:
Folicacid · 25/01/2011 17:45

Sorry Jars me ole chum. What a fucker. I will not be POAS until the weekend. No siree.

I'm just in the door, so shall be back.

I am very closed about TTC, pretending not to be. Have slipped to BF, that's it. Just couldn't bear questions or expectant faces every month or mudges if don't have a glass of wine.

PhoebeC · 25/01/2011 19:35

I thinking telling or not is really personal.

Even though my default is to share and be open, I do sometimes wonder how the circle of people who know got so wide.
When I started my current job, 18 months ago, for the first time people assumed I didn't want children, rather than hadn't had them yet or couldn't. I have to admit it was a relief in may ways and I let the assumption stand.
Mainly, though, for me, being open works best.

Although, with all these real life friends who know, look where I'm coming for all my support now, from you lovely lot. Anonymously.

Man, I am so contradictory!

openerofjars · 25/01/2011 19:37

Go team!

Well, we had a lovely afternoon today with my best friend, her DD (who is my goddaughter). Friend is 30 weeks pg and I have been a bit of a shit text-only mate recently, what with work, Xmas etc. Okay, we couldn't TTC for ages due to DH's job & I have been quite jealous. I haven't been avoiding her, but just haven't made much effort to see her . But having seen her today I feel better. A bit. Still jealous but not so guilty, and it was ace to see them both.

Would quite like a nice pint of wine round about now.

sweetsherry · 25/01/2011 20:06

Well, I'm drinking - actually drinking this time! Red wine, any old red, I don't care.

I have a little rule - I'm only allowed to really drink when I find out someone else in RL is pregnant.

Unfortunately - it happens a lot, I now know 11 pregnant people (that I see regularly!)

++++++++

Phoebe - I'll say a little prayer this one works.

Jars - sorry it's a no this month.

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 21:30

Bottoms up Sweetsherry, eleven preggerness people is too mcuh for any mad woman trying to get up the duffer sane woman delicately TTC.

I haven't got to the spitting feathers hot burning jealously stage yet. More like hmm, ooookay, that's nice.

Any of you lovely gals have kids already? Any nice stories to share of motherhood? (or would that send over the edge?)

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 21:37

Here, meant to say that fertility friend website told me that the chance of getting pregnant this month was good. You know, from looking at my temperatures and that.

BIG BUT THO... That was also based on the one shag we managed at the right time, amongst the weird work shifts and illnesses, so really, can it be a good chance? Ahm mean really?

openerofjars · 25/01/2011 21:44

I have one DS but I promised not to go on about him if I could stay in the gang. None of the other threads let you smoke/drink/say "PERIOD!" loudly and startlingly. I can't go back to using AF & BD, I can't!

You'd think I'd know if I was pg or not but ohhhhhhh nooooooooo. I apparently have lousy short term AND long term memory.

But I can vouchsafe that I am just as broody & insanely jealous of the pregnant and annoying couples who currently populate my life as I was before. I just know a bit more about dinosaurs than I used to.

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 21:50

DS or no DS there will be no BD in 'ere.

PhoebeC · 25/01/2011 22:22

Don't you point that finger at me.

You're the one who's been quoting Fertilty Friends, where ALL the BDers live. Are you sure you haven't been dusting behind our backs?

Jars, I'm still a newbie, but you're well in the gang as far as I'm concerned.

Folic, I'm impressed you have a chart meaningful enough to interpret. I gave up on temperature charts, because they never looked like they should. Only shagging once not ideal, but remember it only takes one!

Sherry, Eleven? That's rough. I respond pretty unpredictably to pregnancy announcements, they don't always bother me. But when they catch you at the wrong time or in the wrong way, it's awful. Drink up, you deserve it.

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 22:29

Have I fuck Phoebe! I am on month one of taking temperature (first few days were pointless as I was taking temperature wrong. In cheek and not under tongue. That's how shit I am) and I'm putting it into fertility friend thingy as I don't fancy fashioning myself a chart using some graph paper and a ruler. I don't speak to anyone on there though...I just temp n go.

This is my very first chart so I'm a bit lost as to why some circles are coloured in and others aren't ( I knew I should have read those 'fertility lessons') but I did see a green ball and a 'good' so I'm going with that.

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 22:30

P.s I'm liking this thread moving a little quicker.

Where's Tante?

Folicacid · 25/01/2011 22:34

Once when my OH came, I heard the theme to Indiana Jones playing in my head...kinda like the sperm as Raiders of the Lost Cervix.

Folicacid · 26/01/2011 07:37

Pink blood when I wiped this morning. Period on way.

PhoebeC · 26/01/2011 08:47

Oh, shit. Really sorry.

I like Raiders of the Lost Cervix. Also, there's nothing at all wrong with associating sex with a young Harrison Ford. Yummy.

I actually did used to draw out graphs in a little squared notebooks.

Sorry.

sweetsherry · 26/01/2011 14:57

Folic - I don't want to raise your hopes - because the only thing worse than false hopes are no hopes - but pink blood aint the end..it could be, but might not be.

How do I know?

Ok, this is where I 'fess up - I too have one child, conceived in May 2008 after 3 and a half years of trying. So don't worry - I'm not a Fertile!

Anyway, the month I got pg, just after I found out, I had pink spotting on and off (occasionally red, occasionally brown) for weeks.

So it's only drippy red stuff that's definitely AF. (And yes, I have also tried to convince myself that my period was just heavy implantation bleeding. Several times!)

Folicacid · 26/01/2011 17:33

Should I POAS then? So as to know once and fur all. OR wait a couple of days? Hmmm...tough one folks. I was planning on not POAS til Sunday- if no sign of period though. Sigh.

I'm having a hellish day at work. Really down in the dumps.

PhoebeC · 26/01/2011 17:52

Sherry's right. Pink blood first thing, but no period yet, it's not over.

What you should do is wait 'til at least Friday when your due. What I would do is POAS.

It depends, though, on you really. If you think testing, even if it's negative, will make you feel a bit better and more in control, then do it. Who cares if it's too soon. But if you think a negative test would make you feel even worse, then wait and see what happens for a couple more days.

Sorry you're having a crappy day. Feel free to rant about work - I'm sure we could manage non-fetility related support too.

I'm on-call today, so my working day has only just started, which is boring, but at least it keeps me busy and not dwelling. I've been reverse symptom spotting today - in other words, convinced it hasn't worked because I don't feel anything. I have this stupid idea that if I was pregnant I'd just instinctively know, somehow.
Highly rational, I'm sure you'll agree.

Sherry, congratulations on having done it once. After all that time, you must have been elated. Here's hoping it's quicker this time.

Chocolatemolehill · 26/01/2011 20:09

Folic - any further developments on the pink knickers/POAS front? (keeping all my limbs crossed!)

On POAS I'm exactly like Phoebe - know I shouldn't do it because it makes me disappointed and sad five times rather than just once; and if it's negative I don't trust the result anyway "because it's too early". But I usually end up testing. I hope yours is not a period after all. I read somewhere that it's very common to bleed around period time when you're actually pregnant as it's your period-hormones showing through. (Well, this is what I keep telling to myself hopelessly hopefully every month...)

Phoebe - you wouldn't necessarily feel pregnant! Have a look here (but only if it's not going to send you on a mad round of symptom spotting!) community.babycentre.co.uk/post/a4706535/ladies_with_bfps Some people have loads of symptoms before they get BFP but some don't get any at all. And it really differs even for the same person with different pregnancies.

Jars - really sorry about this month Sad

My appointment was ok as I got referral for further tests (scan while some stuff is injected inside me to check the tubes - I feel like a gutter in spring!). I got tested for chlamydia as well as I mentioned that I had had more than one sexual partner in my life (but it wasn't some crazy number either! and I'm over thirty!) Should I feel judged or just assume that I have a more adventurous sex life than that sad registrar?
Generally she was rather useless ? I went there with a whole list of questions and she didn?t tell me anything I didn?t know already form my internet research. Why can?t I just speak to a proper consultant, somebody who knows what they are doing? (It?s not my first experience like this...). I?m considering having all the tests done on NHS and then having the results interpreted privately. Do you think that would work?

Folicacid · 27/01/2011 05:54

POAS last night: negative.

Chocs definitely, if you can afford it go for it.

PhoebeC · 27/01/2011 08:44

Look, I know we're not supposed to do soppy stuff, but I'm really sorry.
The last few days waiting for your period are always the worst bit.

But, if you want to look for a silver lining,you said you were worried about your leuteal phase and you've got to at least 13DPO this month, which is normal.

I know it's completely impossible, but just get through the next couple of days (is work still awful?) Then relax at the weekend and if still nothing by Sunday, test again early morning.

Chocolatemolehill · 27/01/2011 20:47
Chocolatemolehill · 27/01/2011 21:57

I was wondering how are them men of your life reacting to/coping in the TTC context? Equally mad and obsessed? Do they understand 5 rounds of POAS in one day?

One of the reasons I came here was wanting to spare my partner at lease some of my craziness. He wants kids as well and is nice and supportive but I don't think he could handle as much pregnancy related talk as I'd be capable of subjecting him to. So I wonder whether it's just us not quite on the same page or does it happen that women are a bit more baby-obsessed?

Folicacid · 27/01/2011 22:34

Thanks everyone- and Phoebe you are totally right the luteal phase thang is licked this month so good news. Pink spotting stopped, and very light brown spotting today. Just want period to start so can be on day 1 again and full of misguided hope.

Chocs I don't imagine they would be that expensive, and it could be justified. Think how much money you can waste spend on a night out, dinner, drinks, taxi home etc worth finding out about anyone even if it's just for piece of mind.

With regards to the ole man thing,hmmm well. i think I disguise how much I really do want to be pregnant and occasionally drunkenly rant tell him about my worries re luteal phases and having too much stress to conceive etc. He says I need to tell him when I'm ovulating (we call it wet fanny week to try to laugh about it) but then sometimes gets performance anxiety. (I don't blame him, sometimes I'm just not in the mood either) and then I start stressing out about me stressing him out. Then there's the shift work...it ain't easy.

He definitely wants to start a family though, sooner than I did really so I know he wants it to happen and soon. Despite what I think is a good marriage with lots of chat and communication, we find it hard to talk about this openly. I worry that he thinks that he is failing somehow. So comign on here and revealing the madness is a breath of fresh air. He has no idea how often I have POAS.

Phew sorry, didn't meant to goonandonandonandonandonandonandonandon

PhoebeC · 28/01/2011 08:41

Morning all.

Day 14 post egg collection (so, equivalent to 14dpo) I'm now quite mad, but just about managing to cover it up, very grumpy and completely fed up with the whole thing. Symptom-wise I'm peeing a lot and I'm a bit bloated and constipated (but that could be the evil progesterone pessaries.)

But the good news is, I have held firm and I have not tested.

It's driving me mad. MrC has been very strict (and he's right. ) but then yesterday started using reverse psychology and telling me I could test tomorrow it I really wanted to, making me admit that it was better to wait the extra day until I'm supposed to do it.

Damn him and his rightness.

Chocolate, it's tempting to think about going private, just for one consultation, but I would be cautious. You will tell yourself you're only going to go once to have a good talk through it all, but the chances are the consultant will suggest some further investigation and costs will soon start to add up. You pay for everything if you go privately and costs quoted, on websites and so on, often only cover the consultation itself and not any tests at all. And after one consultation, if you'd really taken to the clinic or the consultant, you might find it even harder then to go back to your NHS clinic and find yourself left struggling/borrowing/begging for the money to carry on privately, which could be a slippery slope.

As for whether you would actually receive better care, I think it's debatable. There's no question you'd get more consultant time in better surroundings (although our NHS ACU has just been refurbished and is very nice)but I'm not sure there's that much difference in the actual quality of care you receive. It is fruastrating, sometimes, to see a registrar particularly as some centres have general O&G registrars who just do some fertility clinics or spend a few months in ACU(we're lucky, our ACU only has specific reproductive medicine sub-specialty registrars and they're very good)but you can alway request a consultant at your next appointment.

The bottom line, though, is that often the answers will be vague, however good the doctor, because there are very few certainties in fertility. Without wanting to sound patronising at all, things can seem very simple when you research them on the internet, but most websites have an agenda of some kind and may only be presenting the data that supports their point of view. As a general rule, if there is good evidence for a treatment or test, the NHS will offer it. Tests that you have to go private for are usually ones that are newer, less well understood or of uncertain significance.

So, my view is that private care would be more patient-centred (if you want something done, they'll do it) but probably not better.

I should probably confess, to put my advice in context, that I'm a doctor.

Sorry, I know that a bit makes me the enemy, but I'm a hospital consultant, not a GP, and I'm nothing whatsoever to do with gynaecology or fertility.

Folic, moved on from spotting at all? How are you doing?

On the man question, MrC is really supportive and we're lucky in that we have the same feelings about the process and how far we're willing to go for a child (neither of us interested in donors or adoption, for example). It did take him longer to want it as much as I did and it took a while for him to understand how hard the montly hope/disappointment is and how much of your mind it dominates. Not because he's insensitive, but just because it hadn't occured to him. And of course we went through the whole thing of not really feeling like sex when we were supposed to and feeling under pressure that everyone does.

My advice would be to have a frank conversation about it, but to pick your time really carefully. It should be sometime when you both feel comfortable, have plenty of time, are sober, are reasonably calm and not when you want or need to have sex. Try and explain as calmly and clearly as you can how you feel and see how he responds. If you're heading down the referral and investigation route, I also think it's really important to have a conversation about how you both feel about assisted conception and so on.

I really hope it doesn't come to that for either of you, and there's no reason to think it will, but if it does it's a whole lot easier if you've thought about it in advance. If the two of you disagree fundamentally about any part of it, it's much better to know that.

Now that was a long one,but, I hope, not too preachy. Sorry if it was.

openerofjars · 28/01/2011 11:12

Hi all,

I have not been sulking but my bloody phone keeps switching itself off and seeing as I never get near a keyboard at home, this has put something of a damper on my Mumsnetting this week. Does anyone else have the HTC Desire and if so, does yours do that? I'm MNing from work, so am keeping it brief.

Phoebe, excellent post, v calm and considered. I am going to come back to that when I need clarity. Good luck & all my digits/split ends etc are crossed for you. You do know that now you've fessed up to being a doc, we're all going to do that dreadful thing where we come to you with imaginary symptoms outside your speciality? And double damn your DH for being right and reasonable. How very dare he. Grin

Folic, have a mid-morning drink on me. Gin sling? I have all my stuff crossed for you as well (although not my legs as that could compromise the whole conception proceedings in the Jars household).

DH and I have decided to just try and shag every couple of days and sod the ovulation timing thing for a couple of months, as he was finding it offputting and to be honest, I get cyctitis and thrush if we go at it like rabbits because I am a bit out of practice and shagging more than once a century week is the stuff of memory, really. TTC should in theory be right up DH's street but he has said that it actually makes him feel like a sperm donor and that I'm only after one thing. So he is pretending that I just can't get enough of him, and I am pretending I am not dead-on-my feet tired. Sad Grin Confused

I went shopping last night and, in the spirit of being all supersticious, bought myself the Merrell Wakefield coat in the Go Outdoors sale. My reasoning is that spending £70 I can't afford on a coat that won't fit me if I get pregnant will mean that I will definitely manage to get knocked up this cycle. Plus, it is a fabulous piece of rainwear. Okay, it didn't work for the skinny jeans, or the new bra, but maybe they were too cheap.

Right, off to pretend to do some actual work.

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