If Carlsberg did threads.....this would probably be the best thread in the world! Return of the first time frolickers - home of pornstar cocktails and lots of lovely ladies, come on in and join us

[MrsWajs]

Oooh I did it!! Here's the shiny new thread...

For anyone trying to conceive their first child, everyone's welcome.

Oh and ERTD will now be known as FERTD, I'm sure you can figure it out!!

Wednesday's List

evilgiraffe TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL 28?! CD187
Saor Alba TTC #1, cycle 2 UCL32 CD37
Crazybutterflylady TTC#1, cycle 1, UCL30, CD34
Mrs Wajs TTC#1 cycle 11, UCL 29-33 CD32
Pinklady76 TTC#1, cycle 1, UCL ?, CD29
IfAtFirstYouDon'tSuceed TTC#1, Cycle 4,UCL 28, CD28
Alien06 TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL??, CD26
kkas TTC#1 Cycle 12 UCL32 CD25
RaspberryTipple TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL ?, CD23
LankyLegs TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL 27-29 CD22
cookiemoo TTC#1 Cycle 17, UCL 27 CD22
TomboyWife TTC#1, Cycle 8, UCL28, CD20
GardenPixie TTC#1 cycle 8 UCL30-35 CD20
Womanlytales TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-33, CD19
FelicityFlick TTC#1 Cycle , UCL 32-33, CD16
Florin TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL ??? CD15
Karstan TTC#1, Cycle 2, UCL28, CD14
stegasaurus TTC#1 cycle 16 UCL? CD12
highheelsandequations TTC#1 cycle 13 (ish) UCL 32+ CD11
Zippys TTC#1 cycle 14 UCL33-39 CD6
Ariesgirl TTC#1 cycle 6 UCL 29-32 CD6
cherrycobbler TTC#1 cycle 7 UCL 32 CD2

Not counting days
Kaloki (39 days to Wedding )
Bellaby
Miffles
Kurlyvoice
Chalky3

Waiting to TTC
Calyx
Sevans
CaveMum
calligraphy82
hairytriangle

Recent Graduates:
Seablue BFP 1 May
Oneof8 BFP 18 May
Aly323 BFP 20 May
applecharlotte BFP 29 May
papertiger BFP 31 May
Wannamummy BFP 1 June
Pipsicles BFP 6 June
Muser BFP 22 June
Superpenguin BFP 1 July
Haloflo BFP 22 July

Thanks gardenpixie,I feel awful for being mean about my cousin and I ranted at my mum who promptly told me off but jealousy got the better of me. DP has been lovely this evening and given me cuddles and taken me out to dinner so I'll gladly swig any drinks poured this evening to finish off. x

I've managed to avoid a lot of the questioning from family as for a long time DP did not want children so I could use this as an excuse/reason for not producing offspring. Since we've been trying, however, I find the questions more and more difficult. My dad helpfully showed me an article in the paper a while ago about how women are leaving it till their thirties to get pregnant and having trouble (I've left my twenties behind very recently). My mum knows I've always wanted a family and so it's really difficult fobbing her off with excuses like the house isn't finished, we need to save money, there's too much going on just now. Part of me would love to tell her, especially because it's so difficult going through this alone, especially as the months tick by. But another part of me could not bear to see the hurt and dissapointment I imagine I'd see in her eyes when I confess that we'd love to give her the grandchild she craves but at the moment it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

Sorry if that came across as very whingy. I think the moderate allowance of wine I've partaken in may have had an effect :)

raspberry sorry about the bastard AF/FERTD, I totally understand your feelings about your cousin. Sometimes when I hear about someone totally unsuitable who's ended up with a baby I just want to scream "how have you got a baby and not me. It's not fair" I think I might join you in another glass of wine.

This is great conversation.
We have told dh's best friend, I have never known 2 boys so close. They share everything they are much worse than girls on the phone at least once a day plus e-mail text etc. and obviously his soon to be dw knows too. Dh's best friend is jealous as desperate to start a family so does ask how its going but in a really lovely sensitive way, which I love about him. My best friend I told but has no interest and does not ask and if it does come up changes the subject which is a shame as would be so nice to talk to someone and to be honest is really pushing us apart beacause of it, if it wasn't for you guys I would go mad!
Been at my MIL this evening so had a few glasses of wine. Bless her she is desperate for grandchildren but likes to try and bring it up in as little pressure way as poss but I am aware she is very desperate. She loves sewing stuff so already our children have at least a different cot quilt for each day of the week. She is now working on their big kids beds quilts made one 2nd nealy done so we can have 2 matching quilts so they can share a room oh and a few teddies to keep them company. Made a few clothes too but all girls stuff!
Know the jealously thing, I work in a town which has quite a few single extremly young teenage mums I know its extremely judgy judgy but some seem to think their kids are extremly inconvenient and it makes me mad I am so desperate for a baby. Although determined to remember this feeling so when it eventually happens and they hit the terrible 2's and driving me mad I remember how desperatly I wanted them!

Tuesday's list

evilgiraffe TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL 28?! CD193
Mrs Wajs TTC#1 cycle 11, UCL 29-33 CD38 (everthing crossed!)

Alien06 TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL??, CD32
kkas TTC#1 Cycle 12 UCL32 CD31
LankyLegs TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL 27-29 CD28
TomboyWife TTC#1, Cycle 8, UCL28, CD26
GardenPixie TTC#1 cycle 8 UCL30-35 CD26
Womanlytales TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-33, CD25
FelicityFlick TTC#1 Cycle 1 , UCL 32-33, CD22
Florin TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL ??? CD21
TigerseyeMum TTC#1 Cycle 1, UCL 30, CD 21
Karstan TTC#1, Cycle 2, UCL28, CD20
JosieSmith1 TTC#1, cycle 2, UCL28, CD19
stegasaurus TTC#1 cycle 16 UCL? CD18
highheelsandequations TTC#1 cycle 13 (ish) UCL 32+ CD17
Zippys TTC#1 cycle 14 UCL33-39 CD12
Ariesgirl TTC#1 cycle 6 UCL 29-32 CD12
Toriajayne TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL30, CD10
cherrycobbler TTC#1 cycle 7 UCL 32 CD8
Pinklady76 TTC#1, cycle 1, UCL 28, CD7
Crazybutterflylady TTC#1, cycle 2, UCL36, CD5
IfAtFirstYouDon'tSuceed TTC#1, Cycle 5,UCL 29, CD5
cookie moo TTC#1, cycle 18, ucl 26, cd 3
RaspberryTipple TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL ?, CD2
TanteAC TTC#1, cycle?, ucl?, cd?

Not counting days
Kaloki (33 days to Wedding )
Bellaby
Miffles
Kurlyvoice
Chalky3

Waiting to TTC
Calyx
Sevans
CaveMum
calligraphy82
hairytriangle

Recent Graduates:
Seablue BFP 1 May
Oneof8 BFP 18 May
Aly323 BFP 20 May
applecharlotte BFP 29 May
papertiger BFP 31 May
Wannamummy BFP 1 June
Pipsicles BFP 6 June
Muser BFP 22 June
Superpenguin BFP 1 July
Haloflo BFP 22 July
Saor Alba BFP 7 August

Knew I'd forget something sorry kaloki, forgot to update your wedding countdown. Hope everything else is right.

I'm going to be very good this morning and go to the gym, then I can reward myself with coffee and cake :)

Morning, you power-crazed coven :)

This conversation really made me chuckle! I particularly guffawed at garden's bell fiddling buddhist and highheels knowing the brother of cavey's knb . And I can vividly picture tante* in her shoulder pads and veh high, shiny heels in front of the whiteboard...

My BF knows we are TTC but she has 4 children, each of which were "oops I am pregnant" so I am not sure she understands really. She keeps saying nice, sympathetic things about not thinking about it too much and not getting my hopes up, which - love her as I do - aren't really what I want to hear. I know she is right, but I DO get my hopes up and I AM thinking about it all the time.

My mum has 5 grandchildren already so isn't really interested in any more, and my SIL had a baby in February so Mr Crazy's parents are too busy cooing over him to wonder about our plans. Actually, at our wedding my BF said to MIL "ooh won't be long before they have babies" and apparently MIL turned white and was shocked to find out we wanted kids. Despite me yabbering on about them all the time! Shows she doesn't really listen to me .

raspberry, I hope you're feeling ok. Enjoy the next 2 weeks of wine-drinking freedom with me!! I am having a glass every night, just because I can! Yep, crazy by name crazy by nature - livin on the egde

Thanks for doing the list highheels

I am B-O-R-E-D already today and it's not even 9am. And I have no gym kit here. Wonder how long I can hold off online shopping for baby products...

x

We've not told anyone at all, until recently children haven't even been on the radar. First of my friends is due any day now but every one else still child less so no expectation on us at all which is nice.

My mum is absolutely desperate for another grandchild, I thought after my sister provided one last year she'd calm down a bit but she actually got worse! Although at the moment she just wants assurances that we're planning to have one sometime in the future rather than right now so no real pressure there.

Morning Frolickers,

Tante I have biked the pets down to my parents so we can carry on our incredibly important meeting

Raspberry how are you feeling this morning? I hope the combination of virtual and RL booze helped?

Highheels it must be hard wanting to tell your parents so they can support you but not wanting them to be too emotionally involved. Hopefully that will mean that your impending BFP will be a lovely surprise for them

Kaloki any news on the wedding footwear?

Crazy I am working at home today so I'm definitely up for any distraction banter discussion of important work topics should you want!

Waves to everyone else - hope your Tuesday's are off to a less rainy start than mine seems to be ...!

x

Hi garden glad you can come out to play today without even getting rained on :) I got soaked on my way from the station, my ballet pumps had little puddles in em.

My friend moved to Oz at Christmas and had a little baby girl at the weekend, she just sent photos... I WANT ONE! :)

Yes I know what you mean - one of my friends has just had her second baby. I was very tempted to make off with her in my handbag (she wouldn't have noticed, she has a 1yr old to look after as well)!

Hello Frolickers!

Just a quick one from me as back from the festival (very fun and very tiring!) and busy at work.

I just wanted to say congrats Halo must have been lovely to have heard the babies heartbeat! Wishing you a very happy and healthy 9 months! Do come back and say hi!

And also huge congrats to Soar ! I hope you are over the moon! Enjoy!

Hello to all the newbies and waves to everyone else.

I am just waiting for FERTD - I can feel it around the corner! No big surprises there though!

said friend has just sent me the full details of her labour. Maybe I'll go back on the pill...

Or maybe I'll take your idea garden and nick one when nobody's looking. At least the hard bit's out of the way then (she tells herself...).

Crikey though a 1 year old and a newborn! My brother and I are 13 months apart... Why do people do it? It scares me!

Me again. Told you I was bored.
Anyway... does this TTC lark make you all really grumpy most of the time? I got home last night and was v grumpy. Mr Crazy had to coax me out of it by agreeing to play on the Wii with me.

Today, everyone in the office is making me want to scream. I think I will blame TTC and pretend that normally I am sweet and happy.

As you were...

Annoyingly my friend is one of those "whoops the pill doesn't always work" types. No TTC at all. Just two accidents!

MrsWajs - any news from you my dear? Sorry have just been reading through thread and picked that up.

crazy just one glass of wine every night? That sounds awfully restrained :o I'm very grumpy just now but don't know if that's the ttc, the clomid or the fact that I'm a moody cow!

garden my mum will be over the moon if we ever get that BFP. Is it very sad to admit that I've already planned how I will tell her?

In other news I am feeling very proud of myself for making the gym today, and I sorted all the washing out, aren't I good [proud face]. My temp finally went up this morning, but, not higher than it has been earlier in the cycle so I'm assuming that means still have not ov-ed. It is at the highest point so far though (if you see what I mean) so hoping that means egg release imminent. Although if it does I am now panicking cos we didn't manage any SWI yesterday (DP playing computer games till all hours, my plan to wait up for him blatantly failed) so I am now worrying I have misssed the vital window Don't know if I like this charting thing, gives me more to obsess about! Plus I'm not entirely certain I know what I'm doing

Right, I think coffee is in order and possibly some daytime tv? Need to make the most of the last few days at home before we're back to the madhouse on Monday!

Glad you enjoyed the festival Lanky

I am so jealous you're at home highheels!! All I can think about at my desk when i am not thinking about TTC is what I could be doing at home instead of sitting staring into space.

And yes, one glass a night...! I am worried that I'll get withdrawal symptoms if I get into the habit of drinking more - plus I am meant to be eating healthily and my PT says wine = a bottle full of sugar and toxins. tasty ones though

Enjoy being slovenly at home!

Waves to lanky hope you didn't get rained on too much at the festival xx

2 of my friends had babies in the past week and my sister is due in the next few weeks, so I am very much thinking that it's not fair and why can't this happen to me. We recently bought a house and moved in 2 weeks ago, and have had many people (friends, family, random acquaintances on facebook) commenting 'you know what they say: new house, new baby.' My MIL in particular comments on it all the time. I nearly cried the weekend we moved in when ERTD arrived and she kept finding things to say related to us living in this house and having a baby. Although I was really happy for her, I did nearly cry when my sister told me she was pregnant too. She was always the one who wasn't interested in children.

Oh steg it is so unfair. No rhyme or reason to it. Just have to hope that the BFPs will find us when they are ready. Not much comfort though is it? In the meantime I think it's definitely OK to be jealous / upset / angry when other people get pg.

I feel another session of virtual pornstar cocktails coming on ...

Yeah steg I totally agree with garden - you have every right to feel a little bit annoyed and disappointed. It's not personal towards other people, it's just how you feel and nobody can blame you for your feelings since you don't ask for them.

Life is just shit sometimes :(

Hug hug xx

steg we had similar comments when we moved (just over a year ago), more along the lines of "wouldn't this be a lovely nursery" or "you've plenty of space for the future", at the time we had not been ttc for long and DP was still scared sh*tless a little unsure so we laughed a lot of it off. You have to keep focussing on the day when you will have your baby in your house and nothing anyone says can hurt anymore. Personally I am terrified that my brother and SIL will end up with a baby before us, they've always said they're not interested in children but I keep thinking they'll be one of these couples that have a 'happy accident' and I really don't know if I could handle it.

I know it's barely past eleven but I've got a bottle of wedding punch sitting in my drinks cabinet if anyone wants one?

When it comes to people who didn't want kids I have a work colleague who got pregnant by accident, kept the baby because the partner begged her to and has told anyone who'll listen what a big mistake it was an how he's ruined her life. She also makes parenting choices that make me cringe and before now I've had to physically leave the room when she's off on one, my workmates must think I'm mental.

Also had the house comments. We had to move because of work and had always said that when we were both in steady jobs and had a bigger house we'd start trying, and right enough, as soon as the ink was dry on the contract the comments started about me being pregnant/nursery bedroom. As I was currently patiently waiting for the house to become habitable before we could even start trying (my husband's a bit anal about timelines and plans) there was a lot of tongue biting going on there as well. I would tell my mum, she knows how much I want this, but something's holding me back and I'm not sure what. Actually, I do know what, it's that when I told her my DH's best mate and his prissy, selfish, spoiled wife had had a baby boy and then promptly burst into tears she told me to put on a brave face and stop being jealous. All this from the woman who had her own fertility problems. She also told me not to wish my life away, which is, I fear what I've been doing with my whole "When this happens" attitude for the last few years.

As for my ILs, she can't decide if she wants grandkids or not, she has swung from "Please tell me Toria's not pregnant" (We phoned and said we had good news) through "So when are you two going to have a family then?) All the way back to "But you have plenty of time!" She has other things to worry about though, her older son is marrying someone twice his age who has a son only a few years younger than him and she needs to meddle there for a while...

Highheels I know what you mean - my SIL got pregnant the month she came off the pill (no AF or anything) and then moaned about how she had wanted more time before being bogged down with a baby

And when DH and I moved last year, our parents' started to refer to the spare room as "the baby's room." Helpful. So we ended up putting the dog in it and calling it the kennel just to shut everyone up!

I am doing everything I can to remind myself that competitive pregnancy is not a recognised sport and will only end up with my own insanity. But I also live in fear of of SIL (who is now in her late 40's) falling pg again through some twist of fate! I can just imagine it now - "Oooooh but we haven't had sex since 1997, I guess it was really meant to be"

One of my friends made a really good point the other day (she is TTC and has been for 2yrs - although I haven't told her I am also TTC as I think she needs our chats to be mostly about her) which is that there is not a finite pool of babies so just cos someone else has one, it doesn't lessen the chance of anyone else falling pg.

Makes sense logically. Still leaves me screaming "It's sooooooo unfair" on the inside!

Hmmmmmmmmm now where did I put that bottle of pinot?

Toria you make a good point. I need someone else in my family to start causing concern to take the heat of me and DH.

Would it be immoral to introduce my teenage niece to the joys of pornstar cocktails?

Toria do you think your wedding punch would mix well with garden's pinot?