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Entitled male relatives who contribute nothing to Christmas

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GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:12

We’re having dh’s dps for Christmas this year. Mil will bring something thoughtful, gifts for us all, that she has picked, bought and wrapped, offer to help in the kitchen, make lovely comments about the food. In previous years she has hosted for the extended family.

Fil will come. If any of the food isn’t up his liking he will pull a face. He will accept gifts, making his opinions obvious on them, as mil tuts at him and tries to redirect our attention, and at no point will he contribute anything to the occasion. Gifts are of course from both of them, but he will have no idea, or interest, in what they are. It’s obvious mil is entirely responsible.

When we were first married mil would correct my cooking choices, in line with fils preferences. I’m very happy to accommodate allergies, intolerances, preferences, vegans, and arfid - I like my guests to feel welcome. I went along with it, for mil and dh’s sake because they probably wouldn’t visit as much if I didn’t, and we’d have to stay with them more often instead, which is worse.

The entitlement sets my teeth on edge. Mil will be almost apologetic for coming at all, conscious of the workload, and he will just arrive and sit there, the great family patriarch and everyone plays along with it.

Including me.

When dinner is served, he will automatically seat himself at the head of the table, taste the turkey and there will be a pause, while everyone waits to see if he approves, and mil will relax and dh beam proudly at me and I’ll try not to get stabby.

It’s a small enough thing in the greater scheme and not particularly unusual in his generation (though nothing like my lovely df, or even my gf) and not worth causing a row about. Just getting it off my chest here, in the hopes of getting through another Christmas without exploding.

Does anyone else have the honour of hosting a Great Male Guest this Christmas?

OP posts:
EvelynBeatrice · 14/12/2025 12:11

Talkingtomyhouseplants · 14/12/2025 11:34

My FIL doesn’t contribute to presents either although when held at their house he does cook the Christmas Dinner pretty much by himself so we’ll give him an out there.

My gripe with him is that it is entirely random whether or not he will be hungry enough to eat anything. Sometimes he will pile his plate high and others he will eat a single roast potato and declare himself full. It’s such a buzz kill to watch someone sit there and not eat anything. He knows the drill by now - there will be lots of food here - so arrive hungry please it’s not hard!

I see that it feels insulting and possibly attention seeking in the scenario you describe.

However, in some cases, it’s hard for people with certain health conditions to wait for food or to reliably turn up hungry and eat what another would consider a reasonable amount. What someone ingests or doesn’t in adulthood should be within their area of personal autonomy and not controlled.

Pranksters · 14/12/2025 12:13

I don’t understand why you enable this. You’re not helping yourself.

MarymaryquiteC · 14/12/2025 12:15

GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:49

I like that.

Ask him to send you his recipe, or offer him the joy of cooking next year as he has so many fabulous opinions 🫣

FlyingUnicornWings · 14/12/2025 12:18

Squirrelchops1 · 14/12/2025 09:19

Agreed. There's a thread on here re acts of micro feminism, have a look.
Even giving him the bin bag to clear up the wrapping paper for example. My FIL is 93 and doesn't get away with everything...although does enjoy being spoilt!

Sorry to de-rail, don’t suppose you can be bothered to link this thread? V interested.

Francestein · 14/12/2025 12:18

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Parker231 · 14/12/2025 12:21

Unappreciative guests wouldn’t be invited. My DFil is a star - he would never sit around if others were busy. He would look or ask what needs doing - changing nappies, preparing vegetables, loading the dishwasher, making sure everything had the drink they wanted etc.

thestudio · 14/12/2025 12:21

Op will you come and update us after Christmas?

This has enraged me so much, but at the same time I can see that it might be a cumulative project and I want to hear how the first level goes!

Welikebeingcosy · 14/12/2025 12:24

I invited my not so DF to Christmas a few years ago with me and my daughter and he's subsequently never been invited since...he had the audacity to moan about the amount of chocolate I provided for Christmas despite being on UC with no child maintenance and him bringing nothing. Then he refused to help me dish up the dinner and wound up my daughter all day. My brother has since requested a few times a big family get together and I've just laughed.

Grammarninja · 14/12/2025 12:31

My FIL is just as entitled. MIL waits on him hand and foot (literally! She massages his legs with cream before putting his socks on)
I can't bear to watch it! Biggest problem for me is that Dh becomes incapable of doing anything for himself when they're around as MIL is only dying to serve him too. When I ask him how he could let his 76yo mother dance attendance on him while he puts his feet up, he says that she likes it! Meanwhile, when we're staying with them, I spend most of the time in the kitchen with MIL as she rants and gets teary over the lack of help and level of expectation from them both. Dh says she needs to directly ask for help or deal with doing it all herself. The whole situation is enraging!

Whyst · 14/12/2025 12:31

Why are you and DH (especially DH) allowing this extreme rudeness?

It’s not generational. It’s everyone catering to a bully.

MyDeftDuck · 14/12/2025 12:33

Definitely have a seating plan and put name cards at each table setting……that should stop him bagging the head of table seat. He clearly sees himself as alpha male and why are you all sitting and waiting for his response to tasting the turkey ffs! That will simply feed into his ‘I’m head of the pack’ ego!

99bottlesofkombucha · 14/12/2025 12:34

It probably won’t be long for you have a bolshy child old enough, if they know mum and dad are on their side, to do a plan they plonk themselves in the head of the table seat and refuse to move, and plan to loudly scream grandpa pushed me owww if he tries to move them, at which point you can move into horrified protective parent mode and shout sternly ‘I know you like sitting at the head of the table but this is my house and you do not push my children, find a seat, any other seat and sit down now!! Or leave- mil you sit down, if he leaves you are bloody well not going ill sit on you myself. Imagine pushing a child because you want your special seat, when you’ve done nothing at all for Christmas and it’s not your house! Now SIT!!

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 14/12/2025 12:35

Just have your husband do it all this year.

popcornandpotatoes · 14/12/2025 12:35

When dinner is served, he will automatically seat himself at the head of the table, taste the turkey and there will be a pause, while everyone waits to see if he approves, and mil will relax and dh beam proudly at me and I’ll try not to get stabby.

This is bonkers! What the fuck!

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 14/12/2025 12:36

Whyst · 14/12/2025 12:31

Why are you and DH (especially DH) allowing this extreme rudeness?

It’s not generational. It’s everyone catering to a bully.

Indeed.

They’d be getting beans on toast (on our fanciest plates) put down by DH in full chef regalia.

Moonstone20 · 14/12/2025 12:39

Endofyear · 14/12/2025 10:43

I would just ignore him and let the others kowtow to him if they choose to, you don't have to! My MIL was like this with FIL and danced attendance on him and I just let her get on with it but I certainly didn't do it myself. Everyone's family dynamics are different but it's not worth getting worked up about.

I agree. There are too many people pandering to the DF to make it a battle worth fighting. Don’t use up your limited headspace on buying a round table, manipulating seating plan etc. I wouldn’t be watching with bated breath for him to taste the turkey I’d be cracking on with other stuff. Any rude comments I would challenge as they arose.

krustykittens · 14/12/2025 12:42

SlatternIsMyMiddleName · 14/12/2025 10:24

In my family the head of the table was always reserved for the youngest child/grandchild. Stems from the fact that it was a carver seat (had arms) so it was easier to keep a toddler hemmed in.

even now when there are no little ones, youngest child/teen still sits in that seat. When the next generation comes along it will be the same.

I know it is not the point of this thread but that is an incredibly sweet tradition!

Shinyandnew1 · 14/12/2025 12:46

Welikebeingcosy · 14/12/2025 12:24

I invited my not so DF to Christmas a few years ago with me and my daughter and he's subsequently never been invited since...he had the audacity to moan about the amount of chocolate I provided for Christmas despite being on UC with no child maintenance and him bringing nothing. Then he refused to help me dish up the dinner and wound up my daughter all day. My brother has since requested a few times a big family get together and I've just laughed.

Why can't your brother organise a big family get together if he wants one?!

Luckyingame · 14/12/2025 12:50

Purplecatshopaholic · 14/12/2025 11:22

I’ll help you dig..

The solidarity is nice to see at Christmas 🎄 😂

Sooose · 14/12/2025 12:54

Thank goodness for your MIL. Imagine if they were both like that.

In case you are a writer, it sounds like great material.

TheCurious0range · 14/12/2025 12:59

My FIL is a vegetarian who cooks! None of this at our Christmas

Fionasapples · 14/12/2025 13:01

Sounds just like my FIL, op. He would turn up empty handed, eat as much as he could fit in, never comment on the food and when leaving, thank DH, although he knew I'd cooked! Oh and he also asked to take a turkey leg home for his supper! One year he rang on Christmas Eve to inform us he was bringing some random woman with him for Christmas lunch. DH told him to think again.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 14/12/2025 13:02

I used to host christmas ... I used to allocate jobs for the bystanders ... wash up, dry etc etc

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