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Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 04:13

DSis currently has the cold shoulder with me. She has 5 kids.

I don't work, due to disability. DH has a good job, but aside from a small amount of benefits from me, we rely almost exclusively on his salary and we live in the south east commuter belt.

Desperately saving to get on property ladder. Council can't help because DH earns too much. Really limited where we rent as has to be wheelchair accessible and fit a hoist, medical bed etc. and meet OT approval for that.

Luckily 3 years ago we moved into the perfect flat with amazing landlord who has gone literally above and beyond to help me. Never complained when I asked to have adjustments etc. Never minded when he had to pay for urgent work etc.

Our rent went up 21% per month. It's still a good price for what we have. And round here, I cannot find any other landlords willing to take us on, or have a suitable property.

So, to the question. We've never had a budget for niece and nephews. This year, looking at finances, squeezing every last penny and only buying for the 5 kids, DSis, BIL, my mum and two VERY close friends, we have budgeted gifts as follows:

Kids, £20 each.
DSis and BIL: £25 each.
Mum: £15 (the specific item she had her eye on for ages was this much. But she didn't want to buy something frivolous for herself.)
Friends £25 each. This includes posting as neither are local.

Oh and DH and I have a budget of £15 on each other.

No gifts for DH family due to NC.

DSis went nuts today because I said we couldn't afford to go over budget and she said I'm being cheap.

Is £20 really too little? Am I being unfair or unreasonable? Each child has 1 small gift of something I know they want.

Honestly Christmas is stressful enough!

Until last year, we spent about £60 on each person. We simply can't afford to this year.

Hell, we have to choose whether to put the heating on now!

My mum also said I need to spend more on each child.

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mondaytosunday · 15/11/2023 18:31

Just buy for the kids adults don't need gifts, and £20 on each of them is fine!
My family we earn very different amounts and while I love hunting down just the right gift, money doesn't come in to it. I might spend £100 on one gift, and £50 for another sibling if that's the right gift. And they might spend £20 or £50 or £100 or make me something instead (worth more than money)!
Now my stepsons have kids I don't buy them anything and enjoy buying for their children.

Agii · 15/11/2023 19:21

I'd say - just make a decision to gift only to your kids if she is not satisfied with your decision. It is tough times, and presents is not everything.

Auroradavis · 15/11/2023 19:39

You buy what you can afford to give. Anyone who has an issue with that is selfish and ungrateful! Value is all relative.
If you have £10 total and you choose to give £5 away, in my eyes it is the same as having £100 and giving £50 away.

Saz12 · 15/11/2023 20:28

Your sister is a grabby selfish arsehole.

Could you speak to your DM, and say "I love neices & nephews but the demand for expensive gifts that are never reciprocated has always been awful for us. But now we genuinely cant afford it. We're going to buy them more affordable gifts, and I kniw DSis will be mean about it".

Write each child a note in their card - something saying how you love seeing them .what great kids they are, etc. Dont mention the gifts to them. If DSis says anything to you, reiterate "your family is wonderful" etc, "I cant afford expensive gifts but that doesnt mean I dont still love you all just the same" etc.

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 20:59

mondaytosunday · 15/11/2023 18:31

Just buy for the kids adults don't need gifts, and £20 on each of them is fine!
My family we earn very different amounts and while I love hunting down just the right gift, money doesn't come in to it. I might spend £100 on one gift, and £50 for another sibling if that's the right gift. And they might spend £20 or £50 or £100 or make me something instead (worth more than money)!
Now my stepsons have kids I don't buy them anything and enjoy buying for their children.

Oh she'd hate something handmade.

I have disabilities and as a consequence can't use my hands much. I love making cards. She's not very appreciative.

My mum loves my cards even when it looks like a kid made it.

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GettingStuffed · 15/11/2023 21:01

Your sister is a bully. I think she's bullied you all your life so she expects you to do as you're told to avoid nastiness. I suspect that's why she threatens you with not seeing the kids. You need to stand up to her or she'll continue with this behaviour. Tell her to eff off with her demands.

RoastBeast · 15/11/2023 21:01

I would buy each kid a whistle and a selection box. Perhaps a book about manners for their parents.

RoastBeast · 15/11/2023 21:02

OR spend a little more and get the kids a drum kit to share 😬

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 21:04

Saz12 · 15/11/2023 20:28

Your sister is a grabby selfish arsehole.

Could you speak to your DM, and say "I love neices & nephews but the demand for expensive gifts that are never reciprocated has always been awful for us. But now we genuinely cant afford it. We're going to buy them more affordable gifts, and I kniw DSis will be mean about it".

Write each child a note in their card - something saying how you love seeing them .what great kids they are, etc. Dont mention the gifts to them. If DSis says anything to you, reiterate "your family is wonderful" etc, "I cant afford expensive gifts but that doesnt mean I dont still love you all just the same" etc.

Mum asked if I was sure we couldn't afford more. Whilst telling me she would not get involved.

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Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 21:06

RoastBeast · 15/11/2023 21:02

OR spend a little more and get the kids a drum kit to share 😬

I vote this the best comment on the thread. Thank you for making DH belly laugh

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Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 21:08

GettingStuffed · 15/11/2023 21:01

Your sister is a bully. I think she's bullied you all your life so she expects you to do as you're told to avoid nastiness. I suspect that's why she threatens you with not seeing the kids. You need to stand up to her or she'll continue with this behaviour. Tell her to eff off with her demands.

Nail on head. But I don't know how to stand up for myself. Where do I learn how to?

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Pancakeorcrepe · 15/11/2023 21:42

Wow your sister is a massive bully!
Don’t get her or BIL a gift. £20 per child is more than fine especially as she has 5 children. You could reduce the budget for the more little ones and it would still be a nice gift. Ignore your sister’s list, she sounds like a nutter. Also with money being so tight, are you sure you want to exchange gifts with your two very good friends? Perhaps have a chat with them
and don’t exhange gifts with them anymore.

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 22:17

If gifts aren't bought from the list, then we will never hear the end of how awful we've been to the children and how they have been denied.

DH just said he suspects the kids would love our gifts.

The 6 year old suddenly asked about a month ago if grandma would take him to see us. Totally out of the blue, no reason. So she drove him. We had a lovely day watching YouTube cartoons. At dinner he saw DH cooking and didn't know what was happening! He'd never been allowed to watch his mum cook. So fascinated. And despite DSis telling us he wouldn't eat dinner, he wolfed everything down and polished off pudding. All he asked for was different gravy, which we made him.

So, we suspect that the kids would actually enjoy our gifts and they aren't as fussy as she tells us?

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Hickry · 15/11/2023 22:29

We buy our nieces and nephews a token £5 gift or cash for birthdays and Xmas. We set this up when we started having kids and we were all on tight budgets. We also mutually decided we wouldn't buy for each other as adult siblings!

I'm so glad we did this!

I can't believe your sister is being so rude and grabby! £20 is plenty to buy a nice, thoughtful gift for a child. If I was struggling to put the heating on I wouldn't even be spending that on each niece/nephew, my sister wouldn't want me to spend a single penny if she knew I was struggling financially.

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 23:02

I honestly wish my family would believe me when I say we have to choose heating.

I cried reading this thread earlier. You have all been so lovely. Thank you

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Sugarfree23 · 15/11/2023 23:33

Oh honey. 5 kids their house must be absolutely full of toys and stuff. I have 2 and struggle to come up with ideas for the youngest that we don't already have.

I'd end discussions with your sister. "Sister sorry I really can't afford it this year. Given my suggestions aren't suitable I'm cutting back to a selection box and money, kids can save for what they want. We aren't buying you so please don't buy us"

£10 in card job done.

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 23:39

@Sugarfree23 thank you.

Yes, their house is full mostly with the latest stuff

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Loubelle70 · 16/11/2023 00:19

Spencer0220 · 15/11/2023 12:10

@CoffeeChocolateWine thank you. Unfortunately all gifts for DSis and BIL already bought and not returnable.

I don't know how to handle her next year. She's going to be so nasty

After this xmas tell her say , in middle January. She will have nearly a year to get over it. If she doesn't, just carry on as you do..no presents

housethatbuiltme · 16/11/2023 11:26

RoastBeast · 15/11/2023 21:01

I would buy each kid a whistle and a selection box. Perhaps a book about manners for their parents.

a Recorder, Gong, a Snare Drum, Bagpipes and a cheap Violin... the kids can start a band, something for all ages and abilities and hours of fun.

Spencer0220 · 16/11/2023 11:46

@housethatbuiltme I'm down for the bagpipes. Although now all I can think of is Ross in friends...

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Anoisagusaris · 16/11/2023 11:52

Your sister is an absolute bitch. You and your mum sound really lovely. Please do not let yourself be bullied in this way any longer.

Spencer0220 · 16/11/2023 11:53

@Anoisagusaris I dont even know how to stand up for myself

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Duckling89 · 16/11/2023 11:57

In my family we don’t buy gifts for adults once they have children, we buy for children instead. I still buy for my parents and DH. Most adults don’t need much do they, but it’s nice to keep Christmas spirit for kids and I want to buy my parents something. You don’t need to be rude or mean to stand up for yourself, just don’t back down on your budget. That’s standing up for yourself.

Spencer0220 · 16/11/2023 12:16

@Duckling89 thank you

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bellsbuss · 16/11/2023 12:35

I bet she doesn't spend much on you and your DH but expects you to buy for 7 people , she's very grabby