Parents, what your reasons for not & for vaccinating your children?

[Sickofit189]

Anyone on here not vaccinate their children?
anyone on here do vaccinate ?
what are your reasons for both ?

did anyone lose trust in the NHS during covid after the vaccine roll out?

just an open chat!

Well this thread went well didnt it.
Got a lot a bullies out to play.
Has we all know by now KNOW ONE IS ALLOWED AN OPINION on mums net
unless it suits everyone.

You're not equal.

You are ill informed and an irresponsible and parent at best.

You haven't said anything about the fact that your children are much more likely to have serious or fatal risks from the diseases they could catch from not being vaccinated, rather than the minute, microscopic chance of having vaccine damage.

Why have you chosen to take the higher risk?

What would be helpful would be for Italinita to actually describe the risks and the superior knowledge she seems to have of keeping her and other children safe. It's all a bit woolly so far.

There are no real scientific explanations that I can see. Perhaps there's something we don't actually know. It seems that she thinks the risks are exactly the same from being and not being vaccinated.

Repeatedly just saying 'I won't take the risk' as well as suggesting us vaccinators are neglectful, whilst being arrogant about it doesn't persuade me.

The risk for brain damage from the DTP vaccine (given to babies) is 0.001%.

The mortality rate for diphtheria is 5-10%, Typhoid 30% and Polio 10% in children rising to 30% in teens/adults. That's ignoring any long term damage from any of these diseases like paralysis or breathing problems (iron lung was still being used until March this year in the UK, and there is 1 person remaining in the US).

There is no comparison.

@Italianita?

I absolutely vaccinated my children because I remember polio and diphtheria and all those other illnesses that are now rare and children don't die from.

Parents couldn't get their children to the doctors fast enough when those vaccines came out. They'd seen too much tragedy

I also had German measles, measles mumps and chicken pox. My sister's eyes were damaged from measles.

Let's go back to those times, and those who don't vaccinate (unless medically advised not to) can play Russian Roulette like we did.

Andrew Wakefield was a doctor...

But most seem to think that chemicals=man made= bad

Quite,

In my primary they would have been in the D/C stream and we also had special schools (not sure how successful they were tbh)

But I highly doubt there is an actual rise in SEN it's just that it's spotted so much earlier. And hopefully acknowledged

On what basis would you have that opinion (regarding smallpox - and polio)?

A vaccinated child has less than a 1 in a million chance of being even slightly harmed by that vaccine. Even slightly. That's a fact. Statistically. Scientifically. The absolutely proven, certified vaccine damaged children in the UK are very very few.

A non vaccinated child in the same room as someone with measles will almost 100% catch it. And might be hospitalised, brain damaged or dead as a result.

If children were at a high, or even medium risk of being vaccine damaged, then quite simply, we wouldn't be vaccinating them.

You call your decision not to protect your child from diseases that could make them very sick, put them in hospital, give them brain damage, or kill them a difference of opinion.

Your poor children.

My father missed my first birthday because he was in a sanatorium. I had the BCG when I was one and frequent chest x-rays to make sure I was clear

I wish you'd been around pre-1960s.

I am convinced you'd have a different view.

As an aside, do you use antibiotics?

@Italianita I do believe @ASighMadeOfStone has just handed you your arse, on a plate.

If an opinion can be refuted by actual, provable science then it's ok to refute it.

The same for flat-earthers

A non vaccinated child in the same room as someone with measles will almost 100% catch it. And might be hospitalised, brain damaged or dead as a result

A non vaccinated woman in the same room as someone with German measles - rubella - is very likely to catch it. She may have only a mild illness, herself, but if she is in the early stages of pregnancy, the consequences for her child could be devastating.

They think wrong though.

'earther
Ive never been vaccinated not even as a baby.
Im very healthy nothing wrong with me.
My two children only ever had 1 jab when they were born that was it now adults never had any problems or the flu /bugs only one had a cold once for a few days.
Everyone to their own.'

@earther why have you commented on this thread that your children only ever had 1 jab, but on another thread, commented that your children had the baby and school jabs?

Which one is it?

Are you just making tripe up for the sake of an argument?

Lying makes you lose all moral high ground. Swearing doesn't.

@earther

I won't take up your sarcastic offer via PM to 'talk' because I'm upset.

I'm not upset in the slightest! You decided to put your kids at risk, you should be upset not me.

No need to tell porkies is there :)

I don't know about classrooms in Ireland. In England the numbers of autism diagnoses has gone up as classrooms have changed from children all sitting in rows facing the front to sitting on tables facing each other with lots of bright displays on the walls and in some cases hanging from the ceiling.

There were definitely people at school with me who would now have an autism diagnosis.

In the UK that would also correlate with the Conservative government.

It also correlates to how long Malaysian Airlines 370 has been missing.

Or the ebola outbreak.

I think the horse might have bolted regarding your last comment. 😂

@ASighMadeOfStone

😂😂😂😂

Been accused of nit picking on the other thread because of the jabs facade! Typicaaaal

I am very pro vaccination - my son is up to date with everything.

He is also profoundly autistic, he had a massive regression at 2 years old, lost all language & skills & became a different child overnight.

The problem for a parent like me is that you become so vulnerable to information out there - you look for answers for the inexplicable, there are so few conditions where we just accept that a person can become disabled overnight without any discernible cause. It doesn't make parents stupid, but very vulnerable to misinformation.

Bearing in mind that I'm young enough that a lot of people would be vaccinated I can think among people I know:
2 deaf/partially hearing due to Mum having rubella in pregnancy
1 partially sighted due to Mum having rubella in pregnancy
1 lame in one leg and no use of hand due to polio
1 brain damaged due to having measles
1 brain damaged due to mum having meningitis in pregnancy
9 missing limbs (in some cases all limbs effected) due to meningitis
1 deaf due to meningitis
2 infertile due to mumps as an adult

That's quite a lot of people if you think the majority at the time were vaccinated.

But it's interesting how risk is assessed by people.
Take the Covid vaccine for example. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned the blood clotting side effects:
Researchers found that for every 10 million vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 7 extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain.

I will note at this point that Pfizer I think has the risk of the same clots at not a lot less than AZ. On this I have a strong suspicion that Pfizer, due to AZ distributing the vaccination at cost rather than making a profit, may well have stirred the pot there.

Just heard on the news that 5 babies have died this year from whooping cough 😪
More than 2,700 whooping cough cases have been reported across England so far in 2024 – more than three times the number recorded in the whole of last year.

The NHS recommends all pregnant women are vaccinated against whooping cough between 16 and 32 weeks.
With cases of whooping cough continuing to rise sharply across the country, and today's figures sadly showing five infant deaths, it is vital that families come forward to get the protection they need
Professor Sir Stephen Powis
Immunity from the jab passes through the placenta to protect newborn babies in their first weeks of life.

Please people - get you and your children vaccinated